Last New Mutants (Bad News for Nate Grey)

#1 Edited by blacharrt (1561 posts) - - Show Bio

So I just finished reading the latest new  Mutants, which I loved by the way, Dani is so hardcore i hope she gets her powers back.
 
But the news at hand is about X-man, Nate Grey/Shaman has been downgraded in power and only has limited telekinetic usage due to Sugarman machine.

#2 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio

"Sugarboy"? Haha.

#3 Posted by ZacCooper (105 posts) - - Show Bio
#4 Posted by labarith (669 posts) - - Show Bio

Face facts - it was the only way they could tell a story with him. 
 
They did it to Cable before him, and they'll have done it to Scarlet Witch in another 3 issues of things that happened pre-Fear itself soon enough. 
 
The question is whether the X-men will use him. I hope so.  I hope he gets tossed on the New Mutants, and we have a quasi-X-Force homage all up in that.

#5 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio
@blacharrt
I called it a while back when Nick Lowe said he would be joining the New Mutants. At his full power, Nate can get more things done on his own than the New Mutants can do collectively, so of course they were gonna water him down. Marvel loves to give me the finger.
#6 Posted by IllyanaRasputin (1095 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao. 
 
Reading this title freaked me out... 
 
I thought they were cancelling New Mutants... JEEZ!!! 

#7 Posted by riri4life (7180 posts) - - Show Bio
@IllyanaRasputin
IKR! smh 
I only mildly care for X-man these days.......but I would love to find out what ever happened to his once gf Threnody and the baby! 
.....and Dani needs her powers back ASAP, even though she still HBIC w/ or w/out. lol
#8 Posted by blacharrt (1561 posts) - - Show Bio
@John Valentine: @ZacCooper: Sorry, i just finished watching the latest Fairy Tails.
#9 Posted by madrid_san (1803 posts) - - Show Bio
@IllyanaRasputin said:
Lmao.  Reading this title freaked me out...  I thought they were cancelling New Mutants... JEEZ!!! 
They are not cancelling it right?! They got atleast 5 issues lined up if you go to their Marvel website. And don't want to SPOIL SPOIL it for anyone 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
#10 Posted by Kallarkz (3295 posts) - - Show Bio

X-man is one of my most favorite Marvel characters but being depowered isn't such a bad thing if they write him right. 
For example it's working for Herc out in Brooklyn. Hes a mortal now but his character is still interesting as well as the story. 
Being depowered for a bit is what Nate needs atm tbh. Hes been a powerful psionic powerhouse since we first saw him who surprised himself constantly at the things he could do. 
Besides, every mutant goes through this at some point or another....cyclops, storm, iceman, colossus, rogue, gambit, etc. At least they are doing it and placing him on the team. 
I will welcome the face time if they do his character justice. 

#11 Posted by lorex (958 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't mind if he has been depowered some, it happens in comics from time to time. It is the common excuse writers use if they have trouble writing a powerful character. As long as his telekinetic power 
is stronger than Hellion, because if not that just plain insulting, to X-Man fans.

#12 Posted by Timandm (3316 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85 said:
@blacharrt:  I called it a while back when Nick Lowe said he would be joining the New Mutants. At his full power, Nate can get more things done on his own than the New Mutants can do collectively, so of course they were gonna water him down. Marvel loves to give me the finger.
Actually, at his full power, he could do more than all the X-Men collectively...  (I'm not including Legion in that.)
#13 Posted by blacharrt (1561 posts) - - Show Bio
@Timandm: I would say he had more raw power than the majority, i wouldn't say he could do more.  Because you have to think in terms of what a lot of people can actually do. Loa not even an energy manipulation yet anything past through her and she destroys them on an atomic level, Magneto and Storm aren't even omega but has done Omega level feat with energy manipulation that most people could never do.
#14 Posted by Timandm (3316 posts) - - Show Bio
@blacharrt said:
@Timandm: I would say he had more raw power than the majority, i wouldn't say he could do more.  Because you have to think in terms of what a lot of people can actually do. Loa not even an energy manipulation yet anything past through her and she destroys them on an atomic level, Magneto and Storm aren't even omega but has done Omega level feat with energy manipulation that most people could never do.
I should have worded that better.  I didn't mean that, on the raw power level, he could do more than all the X-Men combined...
 
I meant that he could 'accomplish' more, or get more things done agenda wise...  Yes, he's very powerful, more powerful than say a particular team of X-Men, but when it comes to finishing things, or setting an agenda and crossing things off that list, the X-Men are encumbered.  They're naturally encumbered by things that slow down people working as a group; decision making, personal problems, personality conflicts, disagreements within the group, etc....
 
He could, once stable and at full power, go on missions alone, and finish them without having to worry about Scott's approval, Storm's disapproval, politics, Wolverine getting possessed again, running a school, looking after family members. etc.....  on his own, he could focus on missions, and simply get them done.  He has enough power....I'm not familiar enough with him to know if he's smart enough or has enough experience but he certainly has enough power to do so...
#15 Posted by blacharrt (1561 posts) - - Show Bio
@Timandm said:
@blacharrt said:
@Timandm: I would say he had more raw power than the majority, i wouldn't say he could do more.  Because you have to think in terms of what a lot of people can actually do. Loa not even an energy manipulation yet anything past through her and she destroys them on an atomic level, Magneto and Storm aren't even omega but has done Omega level feat with energy manipulation that most people could never do.
I should have worded that better.  I didn't mean that, on the raw power level, he could do more than all the X-Men combined...  I meant that he could 'accomplish' more, or get more things done agenda wise...  Yes, he's very powerful, more powerful than say a particular team of X-Men, but when it comes to finishing things, or setting an agenda and crossing things off that list, the X-Men are encumbered.  They're naturally encumbered by things that slow down people working as a group; decision making, personal problems, personality conflicts, disagreements within the group, etc....  He could, once stable and at full power, go on missions alone, and finish them without having to worry about Scott's approval, Storm's disapproval, politics, Wolverine getting possessed again, running a school, looking after family members. etc.....  on his own, he could focus on missions, and simply get them done.  He has enough power....I'm not familiar enough with him to know if he's smart enough or has enough experience but he certainly has enough power to do so...
I definitely agree with you on the power, he has more raw power then most being in Marvel which was one of the reasons why Onslaught and Apocalypse wanted him at a power source.
 
What i didn't understand at all, is his showing in Dark X-men, I'm guessing that was just PIS to reintroduce him back into marvel, Him being overpowered by the Green Goblin persona was just beyond stupid.
#16 Posted by Timandm (3316 posts) - - Show Bio
@blacharrt: I wish you hadn't brought that up... I'm still trying to blank that part of Dark X-Men out of my memories so I can pretend it didn't happen....  Pathetic, piss-poor writing... That's what that was...It is way past time for Norman-Osborne and his G.I. Joe hair-doo to go away...forever...
#17 Posted by blacharrt (1561 posts) - - Show Bio
@Timandm: I'm sorry *hugs* It's an ugly part of history for us all, but it just didn't make any sense. Nate performs some epic feats as shaman to be overwhelm by he who shall not be named... So he who shall not be named can overwhelm omega level telepaths??? .......  It gives me a headache.
#18 Posted by Timandm (3316 posts) - - Show Bio
@blacharrt said:
@Timandm: I'm sorry *hugs* It's an ugly part of history for us all, but it just didn't make any sense. Nate performs some epic feats as shaman to be overwhelm by he who shall not be named... So he who shall not be named can overwhelm omega level telepaths??? .......  It gives me a headache.
LOLOL!!! I think you mean "he who 'should' not be named."
#19 Posted by blacharrt (1561 posts) - - Show Bio

samething, lol

#20 Posted by DATNIGGA (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate that they depowered him really they could have just given him stronger enemys sigh...... w/e its cool as long as they alow him to be as strong as he was when he was fighting holocaust 

#21 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel Comics; systematically destroying all of their best characters one issue at a time. 
 
**** you, Marvel.

#22 Posted by cennobite (365 posts) - - Show Bio

He will get his powers back, Elixir will probably heal him or he will just get better with time. 

#23 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

@DATNIGGA said:

I hate that they depowered him really they could have just given him stronger enemys sigh......

Looking at it from a tactical point of view, it seems more likely that they wanted to bring him down to a level that he wouldn't be unrelatable. This way, more characters can relate to him, instead of seeing him as yet another Summers messiah, and it reduces any potential threat to Hope's importance. So he'll be more of a team-player and less of a mutant god.

But it still doesn't tally with most of his history.

#24 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty
They watered him down because at his full power, he's got no use for the X-Men.
#25 Posted by Vermillo (52 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm...To me it seem like that was the only way to use him.  I mean come on it marvel. If the character is too powerful what do they do...Kill them off. example: scarlet witch, phoneix, cable, sentry, etc. It just sad that there are no good writer anymore who would just come up with challenging stories instead of just downplay characters. But it no the first time that he burnout his powers or  been without his telepathy  or telekinetic so unless Marvel totally dump his backstory then his telepathic powers will come back.  I just happy he still alive. 
 
Oh on the topic of raw power and  usage,  Nate has display some amazing things with his powers in some ingenious ways to defeat his villians. 1) He tapped into the Earth magnetic field to thrust the Northern God Thrunda through space, 2) Without his telepathics created holograms from debris around him. 3) mind wipe New York city to forget he ever existed. 4) Covert water into oxygen for him to breath while fighting an army of pys ops.  So let not  under estimate Nate genius.    
 
In my opinion I think Nate has more control over his power  then Legion and while not as power as he used to be still can stand his own. It just how well a writer portray him is the problem for me. Dark X men was garage.

#26 Edited by Kallarkz (3295 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vermillo said:

Hmm...To me it seem like that was the only way to use him.  I mean come on it marvel. If the character is too powerful what do they do...Kill them off. example: scarlet witch, phoneix, cable, sentry, etc. It just sad that there are no good writer anymore who would just come up with challenging stories instead of just downplay characters. But it no the first time that he burnout his powers or  been without his telepathy  or telekinetic so unless Marvel totally dump his backstory then his telepathic powers will come back.  I just happy he still alive.   Oh on the topic of raw power and  usage,  Nate has display some amazing things with his powers in some ingenious ways to defeat his villians. 1) He tapped into the Earth magnetic field to thrust the Northern God Thrunda through space, 2) Without his telepathics created holograms from debris around him. 3) mind wipe New York city to forget he ever existed. 4) Covert water into oxygen for him to breath while fighting an army of pys ops.  So let not  under estimate Nate genius.      In my opinion I think Nate has more control over his power  then Legion and while not as power as he used to be still can stand his own. It just how well a writer portray him is the problem for me. Dark X men was garage.

Didn't he attempt to do this but was interrupted by Spider-Man and never finished. The logic behind it being futile from Spider-Mans pov was that he couldn't erase newspapers, blogs, photos etc.
#27 Posted by labarith (669 posts) - - Show Bio

The problem with stronger enemies is that they'd probably rip through most of the team. 
 
Remember when it was discovered that the engines keeping Cable's island floating weren't working ... that it was his powers?  Yeah...  
 
Now that X-man's depowered, I hope that he can do some shit without being randomly super super super bad. 
 
Remember all the jazz the Dark X-men had to do to take him down?  (PS, where's mimic?)

#28 Posted by Treason (227 posts) - - Show Bio

im just waiting to see his interactions with Hope. Seeing her meet her alternate adopted dad would be awesome. Hopefully he will meet Weapon Omega and Mimic again =)

#29 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
Marvel Comics; systematically destroying all of their best characters one issue at a time.   **** you, Marvel.
You speak for me.
#30 Edited by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrock85 said:  
@xerox-kitty
They watered him down because at his full power, he's got no use for the X-Men.  
 
I believe that's what I said :p
#31 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7950 posts) - - Show Bio

Shame, I remember reading his appearance in Dark X-men and really looking forward to what they were going to do with him.

#32 Posted by Kallarkz (3295 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox_kitty said:

@jrock85 said:  
@xerox-kitty:  They watered him down because at his full power, he's got no use for the X-Men.   I believe that's what I said :p
by chance do you know if it has been confirmed that Nate will be with the New Mutants for a while?
#33 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kallarkz: Yes. They have confirmed that he will be joining the team.
 
Its going from bad to worse.

 
**** YOU, MARVEL COMICS!
#34 Posted by DATNIGGA (1214 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85: -_-  Im really starting to not like hope
#35 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio
#36 Posted by Morgaine_Levesque (2073 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85 said: 
 **** YOU, MARVEL COMICS!
WUT. That's ridiculous. And this is coming from a fan of Hope...
#37 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon
Its awful!
#38 Posted by Morgaine_Levesque (2073 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85: It is >_< That's just terrible mischaracterization. 
#39 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon
Yeah, well, Marvel tends to do that to my favorite characters. LOL
#40 Posted by Morgaine_Levesque (2073 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85: I'm an Emma fan (she's one of my top three). I feel your pain. I've been living with mischaracterization since Fraction took the helm. Finally getting her true self back in the capable hands of Gillen. 
#41 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon
Fraction is the lord of mischaracterization.
#42 Posted by Morgaine_Levesque (2073 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85: I may say that Bendis takes that crown, but god is Fraction right up there. I can't even count the amount of times I've ranted about him. 
#43 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon
Good point about Bendis.
#44 Posted by _Marco_Smith_ (1609 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85: Did you know Bendis is a big fan of fiction? Yeah. He loves it so much he writes fiction within fiction. Ha... Bad joke :P
#45 Posted by jrock85 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio
@_Marco_Smith_
LOL.
#46 Edited by DATNIGGA (1214 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85: every comic i can remember from nate grey was always focused on his POWER onslaught wanted him for his POWER exodus tryed to consume him for his POWER sinister wanted to control him due to his POWER the ladies loved him due to his POWER he put an end to apoclips's rein with his POWER sugarman wanted him for his POWER osborn tryed to kill him due to his POWER........ and then you take away his power? Lol thats a HUGE part of his character  
#47 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7303 posts) - - Show Bio
@DATNIGGA: Not gunna lie, this is probably the only thing i know Nate Grey for......

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