@Vermillo said:
Yea it was pretty sad. It seem like Marvel totally lack the foresight to plan out characters development anymore. With how they treated Nate, I feel betrayed.Nate probably had one of the best character development and growth in comics I read in years only for some writers to say oh let ease that. Hey Marvel...That a slap in the face to fans. Hey some words of advice before you decide to use a character maybe you should have your writers do some background research before destroy the character. Not only has Marvel brought him back only to reduce him to an insect but they nerfed also everybody with the summer/grey bloodline.
Not everybody. Rachel has her powers were untouched after the Phoenix Echo was removed so she is still about Jean's level. Plus Cable's return in X-Sanction leads people to think that he has his powers back and he is no longer hindered by the T-O virus. Not sure they were on the same page about Cable and Nate's powers deal though. But I agree on everything else above.
@Vermillo said:
Hell if they wanted to power him down at least they could as someone stated before make him at" Jean Grey level or make him a full TK or TP." I pretty sure I would have been ok with that instead of this crap. Even in his original run fans seen how he was able to still function when he had half of his power. I mean when he lost his TK after X-Man 25. He adjust and still did well or when he lost his TP in X-man 48 (I believe.) The reason why he did fine when he lost half of his power was because unlike most powerhouse characters, Nate actually used his smart instead of his powers. He thought thing out and that because of all the encounters he had.
I agree that Nate should have been reduced to say Rachel's current level. But keep in mind, all the times he lost his powers....It was cause his subconscious was trying to protect his body from his powers. It was stated by Reed in X-Man 59 and also hinted at by Moira in X-Man 26. His powers now are burned out and he has nerve damage which causing the limit on his powers. And I agree and disagree about Nate using his smarts. Most times, Nate had to use a combo to save the day. Not saving Nate isn't smart. He is definitely smarter than he looks which is often something people forget. Shaman Nate definitely was smarts over power, but orignial Nate was combo to Powers over smarts mostly cause he had the realizations in battle after he tried to do something.
@Vermillo said:
Also isn't Cable and him mind-linked. I mean I remember reading some old X-man comics were they able to mind link from great distance but when they were in close proximity they a feedback. The reason I brought this up is when Cable "died" Nate should had got that mental feedback. I mean it happen before with Cable and Stryfe so what up with that Marvel?
Common misconception. Nate and Cable share the same DNA which also means the share the same power signature. Due to this, it cause a psionic feedback or a mental echo as Exodus caused it which cause both of them intense pain. The closer they are, the stronger the pain from the feedback. Nate and Cable though do feel pain when they use telepathy on either other which was shown during Operation Zero Tolerance. But when Cable died, Nate should have been in hooked up to the Omega Machine in New York. They probably didn't count it due to the distance.
@Vermillo said:
PPP I guess. Because I pretty sure with all the memories Cable and since they so alike, those memories should have transfer to Nate. I mean at least if that happen...Nate would have all of Cable knowledge, and skills to fall back on when he lost his powers. But no we can't have many powerful mutants beside Hope now. I mean really? Everybody have to be weaker then Hope. But while I on the topic on Hope what has she actually done with her powers except make 3 mutants. I mean Marvel have been building her up for years and when it said and done she has done nothing. They destroy several characters: development, death and growth (Bishop, Nightcrawler, etc.) just to add her into comics only for it be Oh it Hope she meh.
1. Nate and Cable have been genetically identical, but they didn't know Nate was back, Nate was trapped on the Omega Machine in a coma-esque state...or at least was when Sugar Man was there. So Cable's knowledge. etc wouldn't be transferred. Plus if that happened, that makes Nate more Cable like which goes against the whole "I'm the other side of the coin of you" thing they have.
2. There is still powerful mutants outside of Hope. Legion is out there, Rachel is at her normal levels, Magneto is very powerful, Ice Man's got some swag, Quentin Quire is back, and don't forget Franklin Richards. But she takes top billing cause of her importance currently. Nate was the same way in the 90s. Everybody wanted Nate in the 90s cause he was insanely powerful. Now it's Hope.
3. She made 5 mutants: Transonic, Oya, Primal, Velocidad, and Zero.
4. Hope's role should end as of AvX, after all, this event is about her and Phoenix.
5. Agree on the destroy characters part, but Hope isn't so bad. She's an acquired taste that's for sure. But she's akin to DC's Damian. People either love them to die or hate their guts.
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