Is it X-Man's Fault that Sentry, Loki, and Ares Died!?!?!

Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio

  According to comicvine, nate went inside norman osborn's mind and released the green goblin.  we know that around that time osborn lost it and decided 1) to attack Asgard and 2) To have Bullseye kill Lindy Reynolds.  As a result Sentry lost it and had to be killed--but not before Ares and Loki were dead.   

#1 Posted by AMS (1387 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope.
#2 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio
@AMS said:
" Nope. "
why not??
#3 Posted by AMS (1387 posts) - - Show Bio

Cause it didn't go down like that in the comics at all.
#4 Posted by Grendel (560 posts) - - Show Bio

He didn't release him, just sort of ran into him. Norman and the GG parted ways at the end of Dark X-men.

#5 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

The only people who should be blamed for those events are Norman Osborn and Tony Stark. 
 
NOT THE SENTRY, BENDIS, YOU HALF WIT.

#6 Edited by queenfrost_ (2499 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think X-Mn has the slightest bit to do with these events...sorry

#7 Posted by brc2000 (1679 posts) - - Show Bio

Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team.

#8 Posted by Mercy_ (92632 posts) - - Show Bio
@brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES!
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#9 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES! "
NO!
 
He should have been leading the New Avengers, since he's the most qualified hero. Oh wait, Bendis ****ed that up too. Bald-head dip**** son of a *****, horse ****ing, cow raping, ***plug.
#10 Posted by Mercy_ (92632 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES! "
NO!  He should have been leading the New Avengers, since he's the most qualified hero. Oh wait, Bendis ****ed that up too. Bald-head dip**** son of a *****, horse ****ing, cow raping, ***plug. "
Pats him on the head before his eye starts twitching.
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#11 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES! "
NO!  He should have been leading the New Avengers, since he's the most qualified hero. Oh wait, Bendis ****ed that up too. Bald-head dip**** son of a *****, horse ****ing, cow raping, ***plug. "
Pats him on the head before his eye starts twitching. "
Thank you, but too late, my right eye just exploded from rage.
#12 Posted by Mercy_ (92632 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES! "
NO!  He should have been leading the New Avengers, since he's the most qualified hero. Oh wait, Bendis ****ed that up too. Bald-head dip**** son of a *****, horse ****ing, cow raping, ***plug. "
Pats him on the head before his eye starts twitching. "
Thank you, but too late, my right eye just exploded from rage. "
Wipes up exploded eyeball juice.
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#13 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES! "
NO!  He should have been leading the New Avengers, since he's the most qualified hero. Oh wait, Bendis ****ed that up too. Bald-head dip**** son of a *****, horse ****ing, cow raping, ***plug. "
Pats him on the head before his eye starts twitching. "
Thank you, but too late, my right eye just exploded from rage. "
Wipes up exploded eyeball juice. "
Helps wipe up eyeball juice. 
 
I'm an equal opportunist Bendis-hater :P
#14 Posted by Mercy_ (92632 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES! "
NO!  He should have been leading the New Avengers, since he's the most qualified hero. Oh wait, Bendis ****ed that up too. Bald-head dip**** son of a *****, horse ****ing, cow raping, ***plug. "
Pats him on the head before his eye starts twitching. "
Thank you, but too late, my right eye just exploded from rage. "
Wipes up exploded eyeball juice. "
Helps wipe up eyeball juice.   I'm an equal opportunist Bendis-hater :P "
I don't care enough about the character to be as outraged as you are. :P
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#15 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES! "
NO!  He should have been leading the New Avengers, since he's the most qualified hero. Oh wait, Bendis ****ed that up too. Bald-head dip**** son of a *****, horse ****ing, cow raping, ***plug. "
Pats him on the head before his eye starts twitching. "
Thank you, but too late, my right eye just exploded from rage. "
Wipes up exploded eyeball juice. "
Helps wipe up eyeball juice.   I'm an equal opportunist Bendis-hater :P "
I don't care enough about the character to be as outraged as you are. :P "
I relate to him, and Bendis made him a psycho. Hence my anger :)
#16 Posted by Mercy_ (92632 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES! "
NO!  He should have been leading the New Avengers, since he's the most qualified hero. Oh wait, Bendis ****ed that up too. Bald-head dip**** son of a *****, horse ****ing, cow raping, ***plug. "
Pats him on the head before his eye starts twitching. "
Thank you, but too late, my right eye just exploded from rage. "
Wipes up exploded eyeball juice. "
Helps wipe up eyeball juice.   I'm an equal opportunist Bendis-hater :P "
I don't care enough about the character to be as outraged as you are. :P "
I relate to him, and Bendis made him a psycho. Hence my anger :) "
I would be outraged, too. 
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#17 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES! "
NO!  He should have been leading the New Avengers, since he's the most qualified hero. Oh wait, Bendis ****ed that up too. Bald-head dip**** son of a *****, horse ****ing, cow raping, ***plug. "
Pats him on the head before his eye starts twitching. "
Thank you, but too late, my right eye just exploded from rage. "
Wipes up exploded eyeball juice. "
Helps wipe up eyeball juice.   I'm an equal opportunist Bendis-hater :P "
I don't care enough about the character to be as outraged as you are. :P "
I relate to him, and Bendis made him a psycho. Hence my anger :) "
I would be outraged, too.  "
Thumbs up
 =]
#18 Posted by Mercy_ (92632 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt: ^_^
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#19 Posted by Band Lone (1789 posts) - - Show Bio
@Violet-Eyed Dragon said:
" @AMS said:
" Nope. "
why not?? "
Because Sentry didn't deserve to exist in the first place 
 
<-------------Sentry hater :P
#20 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Band Lone:
#21 Posted by NateGrey (33 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Nate was responsible but he didn't just "run into" Green Goblin. The Goblin persona was locked in Osborne's subconcious and during the battle for his body Nate seemingly set him free in order to split Osborne's attention and willpower to keep him locked away and to show everyone the monster that truly lurked inside. It just happened that Goblin and Osborne had the same interests in mind and worked together, which Nate didn't see coming in his little plan. However the Goblin persona was breaking through long before Nate's interferance. 
 
Nate had more to do with Onslaught being released than the Green Goblin and even then it was already there to begin with just tearing through to the surface.

#22 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES! "
NO!  He should have been leading the New Avengers, since he's the most qualified hero. Oh wait, Bendis ****ed that up too. Bald-head dip**** son of a *****, horse ****ing, cow raping, ***plug. "
Pats him on the head before his eye starts twitching. "
Thank you, but too late, my right eye just exploded from rage. "
Wipes up exploded eyeball juice. "
Helps wipe up eyeball juice.   I'm an equal opportunist Bendis-hater :P "
I don't care enough about the character to be as outraged as you are. :P "
hes right though.  bendis's conclusion to the sentry story arc was pretty bad.  he is sometimes a good writer, but the end of dark reign was unsatisfying.  
#23 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio
@NateGrey said:
" I don't think Nate was responsible but he didn't just "run into" Green Goblin. The Goblin persona was locked in Osborne's subconcious and during the battle for his body Nate seemingly set him free in order to split Osborne's attention and willpower to keep him locked away and to show everyone the monster that truly lurked inside. It just happened that Goblin and Osborne had the same interests in mind and worked together, which Nate didn't see coming in his little plan. However the Goblin persona was breaking through long before Nate's interferance.   Nate had more to do with Onslaught being released than the Green Goblin and even then it was already there to begin with just tearing through to the surface. "
but if he hadnt messed with norman's mind or tried to screw him up...
#24 Posted by NateGrey (33 posts) - - Show Bio

Ya the plan really did backfire on him which is part of why I didn't like Dark X-Men. Although part of the reason I think it backfired was because he expected more out of the Dark X-Men, especially once they saw that the man they were working for was an evil nutjob with more than just a few screws loose.

#25 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18826 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think so.

#26 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio
@NateGrey said:
" Ya the plan really did backfire on him which is part of why I didn't like Dark X-Men. Although part of the reason I think it backfired was because he expected more out of the Dark X-Men, especially once they saw that the man they were working for was an evil nutjob with more than just a few screws loose. "
yeah but he had no right to go screwing around with norman like that.  and i think it likely did cause norman to lose it...@xxCellPhoneGirlxx said:
" I don't think so. "
why not??
#27 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18826 posts) - - Show Bio
@Violet-Eyed Dragon: Either way, i'm sure he would of done those things sooner or later.
#28 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx said:
" @Violet-Eyed Dragon: Either way, i'm sure he would of done those things sooner or later. "
yeah but that extreme?  i mean norman was pretty stable up through utopia--and his psychics might have been able to fix him better. 
#29 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12589 posts) - - Show Bio

its all normans fault. 
 
besides its LOKI 
 
i feel bad about Ares because he was actually on his way to becoing a hero 
 
and Sentry seemed to be more miserable alive than he is dead

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#30 Posted by Emperor Gonzo Noir (19714 posts) - - Show Bio

Lindy dies every other week

#31 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
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its all normans fault. 
 
besides its LOKI 
 
i feel bad about Ares because he was actually on his way to becoing a hero 
 
and Sentry seemed to be more miserable alive than he is dead

"
sentry was awesome up until Secret Invasion.  and Ares is coming back, so dont feel too bad.  @Emperor Gonzo Noir said:
" Lindy dies every other week "
this time it seems to be for good.  or at least for a while. 
#32 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12589 posts) - - Show Bio
@Violet-Eyed Dragon:
im liked sentry but i think he has more peace now that hes dead 
 
if they bring him back they better fix him first
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#33 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
" @Violet-Eyed Dragon: im liked sentry but i think he has more peace now that hes dead  if they bring him back they better fix him first "
oh yeah i agree that it was a problem having all these unstable, cosmic level supers running around in a universe that is mainly pretty weak.  and i give bendis credit for cleaning it up by coming up with logical deaths or ends for them (molecule man, beyonder, etc.)  im just saying the way he did it with the sentry was pretty clumsy and unsatisfying.  i get he couldnt be around that long cuz hes just too powerful, but it was really lame the way they killed him off.  
#34 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES! "
NO!  He should have been leading the New Avengers, since he's the most qualified hero. Oh wait, Bendis ****ed that up too. Bald-head dip**** son of a *****, horse ****ing, cow raping, ***plug. "
#35 Posted by crackerjack82 (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

Benids has not been any good in a few years now, he needs to take a break

#36 Posted by TheCheeseStabber (7896 posts) - - Show Bio
@queenfrost_:  Siege  Christmas???
#37 Posted by Walker696 (984 posts) - - Show Bio

by your logic that means that everything that happened in Siege is Spider-man's fault because Norman is in his Rogue Gallery and he did nothing to stop his rise to power

#38 Posted by thatlad (592 posts) - - Show Bio

It was clear from the beginning of Dark Reign that the green goblin persona was going to come out, it started when Norman killed swordsman at the end of secret invasion/start of DR.  
From then on the pressure of the role was building on Norman coupled with the god of mischief working to bring out the goblin persona.  
 
It's not X-man's fault that the goblin persona came out, it was a forgone conclusion from the start of DR. 
 
I would say though, I am glad Sentry is dead. He wasn't a very interesting character and was massively overpowered. Superman but his kryptonite was you just had to confuse him (see X-man)

#39 Posted by superboyrocks13 (1089 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt:
black bolt needs to scream next to bendis's head :I
#40 Posted by Vitality (1761 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Sentry should have been in Ravencroft, not on an Avengers team. "
YES! "
NO!  He should have been leading the New Avengers, since he's the most qualified hero. Oh wait, Bendis ****ed that up too. Bald-head dip**** son of a *****, horse ****ing, cow raping, ***plug. "
Pats him on the head before his eye starts twitching. "
Thank you, but too late, my right eye just exploded from rage. "
Wipes up exploded eyeball juice. "
Helps wipe up eyeball juice.   I'm an equal opportunist Bendis-hater :P "
I don't care enough about the character to be as outraged as you are. :P "
I relate to him, and Bendis made him a psycho. Hence my anger :) "


How did you relate to him.

 

Without the crazy psycho agoraphobia...he's just a superhumanly powered man.

 

How do you relate to that?

#41 Posted by CosmicGod432 (177 posts) - - Show Bio

Well if the writers were writing logically then yes but they aren't. It is up to the writers if it was Nate's fault and do you honestly think that the writers want it to be? i don't. I guarantee that if someone went back in time and stopped Nate from releasing the Goblin nothing would've changed in siege.

#42 Posted by War Killer (19994 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I understood, it was Loki who tricked Osborn into attacking Asgard, he made Norman believe that Asgard's presents on Earth challenged his authority and used his Green Goblin persona to enact this trickery.

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