Why/how is Pyro potentially omega level? Can someone also clearify why blob, forge and cable are also potentially omega level? If Mr. Immortal is on the list, then shouldn't Wolverine be on the list? Thanks
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Yeah he is homo-supreme, but I don't see him being much if any more powerful than other omega levels, so in my opinion, he is just omega level. Also, wolverine and many other characters are a lot like mr. immortal (better and worse in different aspects), so shouldn't they be higher up on the list?
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weaponx says:
"yeah, i was wondering if you knew of any other omega levels or if you know any other place to look them up? Also, I was wondering why Pyro and Forge are on the list. I was just curious..."
I haven't worked on this list in a while but I'll try to answer your questions...I don't really know of more at the moment cause I'm too busy to check
Pyro is listed as being a character some fans believe is potentially Omega, I didn't say it was me in particular
Professor X is not because his powers have limits...he's one of the weakest telepaths who have any prominence in the Marvel U
Mr. Immortal has no powers besides the fact that he can't die...that's why he's a step above Omega-levels cause he will live to see the End of the Universe
as for Forge...I did not make the entire list so I would not know...if you think he should be taken off, then take him off
weaponx says:
"Oh, I didn't know I could take people off... (I am new). Thanks for helping me out!"
yeah but first clear them up with me...of all those you've suggested the only change should be the removal of Forge
weaponx says:
"You seem like a very knowledgeable person. Can you tell me the limits of Wolverine's healing factor (anyone can answer by the way)? I have tried to pin this down, but I hear many different stories about him being immortal, healing factor resides in his soul, surviving being completely de-atomized, and many other fantastic claims. "
some believe it to be so, but it is not true, it was stated that the only reason he survived Nitro's blast is because his adamantium skull protected his brain from disintegration
immortal means he does not age...which he doesn't
some believe him to be able to live forever but I disagree with that statement
You seem like a very knowledgeable person. Can you tell me the limits of Wolverine's healing factor (anyone can answer by the way)? I have tried to pin this down, but I hear many different stories about him being immortal, healing factor resides in his soul, surviving being completely de-atomized, and many other fantastic claims.
Wolverine is not immortal. (cant remember what issue it was) but in Wolverine Civil War, the issue right before the Sentry shows up to stop him, his head is nearly cut off. He admits himself that that would have killed him.
G-Man says:
"I wouldn't say IMMORTAL means you can't age. Otherwise they'd stay an infant forever."
well Methos explains it as being you reach your time of no longer aging once you hit maturity or something like that
I know the first nine were mentioned in comics but 10-13 I haven't seen. Whoever added them could site the comics that information came from. The other lists don't really mean anything. (Omega itself is just a title.)
As for this:
aztek_the_lost says:
"weaponx says:"You seem like a very knowledgeable person. Can you tell me the limits of Wolverine's healing factor (anyone can answer by the way)? I have tried to pin this down, but I hear many different stories about him being immortal, healing factor resides in his soul, surviving being completely de-atomized, and many other fantastic claims. "some believe it to be so, but it is not true, it was stated that the only reason he survived Nitro's blast is because his adamantium skull protected his brain from disintegration
immortal means he does not age...which he doesn't
some believe him to be able to live forever but I disagree with that statement"
Depends on if you're sticking to the written stories, but it was explained in Wolverine: "Logan Dies" (57-61) that he actually was immortal because he killed the angel of death. His soul couldn't die so his healing factor would bring him back together from anything (that's how he survived Nitro). That's been changed now and he says he's back to how he used to be. (Don't know exactly how efficient that makes his healing factor though.)
Also, he does age. There have been a few far future stories that show him as old, gray and not quite as physically fit as he is now (complaining about being out of shape and showing that things he does now are difficult and painful in his old age). There's actually another such story coming up. So he does age, just very slowly.
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Dont take anything off,because of your opinion.
Forge is omega,or has the potential.
11-Chamber was speculated as being Omega-level in his first form but when Clan Akkaba transformed him into Decibel he was said as being Omega-level
Buckshot says:
"I know the first nine were mentioned in comics but 10-13 I haven't seen. Whoever added them could site the comics that information came from. The other lists don't really mean anything. (Omega itself is just a title.)As for this:aztek_the_lost says:"weaponx says:"You seem like a very knowledgeable person. Can you tell me the limits of Wolverine's healing factor (anyone can answer by the way)? I have tried to pin this down, but I hear many different stories about him being immortal, healing factor resides in his soul, surviving being completely de-atomized, and many other fantastic claims. "some believe it to be so, but it is not true, it was stated that the only reason he survived Nitro's blast is because his adamantium skull protected his brain from disintegration
immortal means he does not age...which he doesn't
some believe him to be able to live forever but I disagree with that statement"
Depends on if you're sticking to the written stories, but it was explained in Wolverine: "Logan Dies" (57-61) that he actually was immortal because he killed the angel of death. His soul couldn't die so his healing factor would bring him back together from anything (that's how he survived Nitro). That's been changed now and he says he's back to how he used to be. (Don't know exactly how efficient that makes his healing factor though.)
Also, he does age. There have been a few far future stories that show him as old, gray and not quite as physically fit as he is now (complaining about being out of shape and showing that things he does now are difficult and painful in his old age). There's actually another such story coming up. So he does age, just very slowly.
Post Edited:2008-02-24 00:54:10"
as for Wolverine, I'm not an expert on him, so my argument did not have to be taken as factual...I said it was my opinion
Akira Overdrive says:
"Dont take anything off,because of your opinion.Forge is omega,or has the potential."
I'll add him...if you explain why you think this
aztek_the_lost says:
"Akira Overdrive says:"Dont take anything off,because of your opinion.Forge is omega,or has the potential."I'll add him...if you explain why you think this"
He is able to create any machine,no matter what it is.Are you kidding me?
The following list is of mutants that fit the characteristics needed to be an Omega-Level mutant:
Wanda Maximoff/Scarlet Witch-She is
Everett Thomas/Synch-Hell yes
Erik Lehnsherr/Magneto-Yes
Bennet du Paris/Exodus-Yes
Ororo Munroe/Storm-yes
Mikhail Rasputin/Mikhail Rasputin-No
Nathan Summers/Cable-Not with that virus
David Haller/Legion-Should be
Kevin MacTaggert/Proteus-Should be
Kevin Sidney/Morph-Should be
Trevor Fitzroy/Trevor Fitzroy-NAH
Selene Gallio/Selene-NAH
Jubilation Lee/Jubilee-WTF
Madison Jeffries/Madison Jeffries-Iffy
Jonathan Silvercloud/Forge-Should be
New Son/New Son-He is
Sir James Jaspers/Mad Jim Jaspers-He is
Joseph/Joseph-Sould be
Madelyne Pryor/Madelyne Pryor-Should be.
Nathan Summers/Stryfe-He is.
This list is several mutants that fans have speculated that could be Omega-Level, at least in time:
James Braddock/Jamie Braddock-iffy
Azazel/Azazel-Hell yeah
Amahl Farouk/Shadow King-Yeah
St. John Allerdyce/Pyro-hell no
Sebastian Shaw/Sebastian Shaw-Iffy
Alec Yuric/Chrome-Yeah
Eileen Harsaw/Phantazia-No
En Sabah Nur/Apocalypse-Ummmm,maybe
Petra Kristensen/Petra-IDK
Lorna Dane/Polaris-Yes
Remy LeBeau/Gambit-Yup,just look at New Son
Frederick Dukes/Blob-No
Santo Vaccarro/Rockslide-No
Also there is a character in the Marvel Universe who seems to have surpassed Omega-Level and is the true pinnacle of human evolution, and so he has been deemed Homo Supreme rather than Homo Superior:
what must be remembered is the second two lists are mostly speculation so they should not be considered as being utterly factual...different people have different ideas about them
pointing out one in particular, Rockslide fits the criteria, as he can utterly manipulate a substance (earth) and can survive beyond his physical form (been destroyed many times), also it is possible he has unlimited potential and that is why he is listed
Gambler says:
"You know, I've only seen one written example of someone being confirmed as Omega and that was Iceman. Not saying there aren't others, but if someone had knowledge of where I could see other examples I'd be greatful."
Mr. M is in the X-Men: The 198 series
G-Man says:
"I have to agree. I don't know where a lot of this is coming from. "Alpha Mutants," "Omega Mutants," etc. It's all Greek, literally. What's next? Delta? Theta? Sigma? (Yes, I use a lot of Greek in teaching Mathematics)."
There is a Delta.
aztek_the_lost says:
"Gambler says:"You know, I've only seen one written example of someone being confirmed as Omega and that was Iceman. Not saying there aren't others, but if someone had knowledge of where I could see other examples I'd be greatful."Mr. M is in the X-Men: The 198 series"
oh yeah and I remember Vulcan was referred to as being beyond Omega...though it has been said this was a mistake as Omega is already unlimited potential
Well then take out the ones that you know for sure cant possibly be..
Blob,Jubilee,Pyro.
Akira Overdrive says:
"aztek_the_lost says:"Akira Overdrive says:"Dont take anything off,because of your opinion.Forge is omega,or has the potential."I'll add him...if you explain why you think this"
He is able to create any machine,no matter what it is.Are you kidding me?
"
His ability is limited as he isnt consciously able to understand the mechanics of his more complicated machines, needing to take them apart to do so.
He would need to be able to display an ability like Hank Henshaw(cyborg superman) to be possibly considered Omega, i.e. transfer consciousness into a machine making one's self practically immortal.
Shaper says:
"http://www.comicvine.com/delta-level-mutants/47884/"
Why is Prodigy and Sage on that list?
Akira Overdrive says:
"Shaper says:"http://www.comicvine.com/delta-level-mutants/47884/"Why is Prodigy and Sage on that list?"
cause I just placed a few but have never really been interested enough to finish the page
that last list were people listed by the person who created the page, and I never took the time to figure out whether they should be on the list or not
aztek_the_lost says:
"aztek_the_lost says:"Gambler says:oh yeah and I remember Vulcan was referred to as being beyond Omega...though it has been said this was a mistake as Omega is already unlimited potential""You know, I've only seen one written example of someone being confirmed as Omega and that was Iceman. Not saying there aren't others, but if someone had knowledge of where I could see other examples I'd be greatful."Mr. M is in the X-Men: The 198 series"
and what exactly does unlimited potential mean? complete control over their own powers? able to do anything they want? its all a little vague to me.
Prodigy and Sage are Alpha.
Sync should automatically be an Omega.
Apparition says:
"aztek_the_lost says:"aztek_the_lost says:"Gambler says:oh yeah and I remember Vulcan was referred to as being beyond Omega...though it has been said this was a mistake as Omega is already unlimited potential""You know, I've only seen one written example of someone being confirmed as Omega and that was Iceman. Not saying there aren't others, but if someone had knowledge of where I could see other examples I'd be greatful."Mr. M is in the X-Men: The 198 series"and what exactly does unlimited potential mean? complete control over their own powers? able to do anything they want? its all a little vague to me."
I thought it was a point where the control became something intangible and made them immortal, for example, Iceman could originally manipulate watre int he form of ice right? So IF he were to manifest his full potential, he would have unlimited control over heat in the sense of taking away heat. He could possibly exist as some sort of absolute zero "space" in the universe, eventually unneeding of a body but becoming his power. Thats what I thought anyway.
Cannon Fodder says:
"Apparition says:"aztek_the_lost says:I thought it was a point where the control became something intangible and made them immortal, for example, Iceman could originally manipulate watre int he form of ice right? So IF he were to manifest his full potential, he would have unlimited control over heat in the sense of taking away heat. He could possibly exist as some sort of absolute zero "space" in the universe, eventually unneeding of a body but becoming his power. Thats what I thought anyway.""aztek_the_lost says:and what exactly does unlimited potential mean? complete control over their own powers? able to do anything they want? its all a little vague to me.""Gambler says:oh yeah and I remember Vulcan was referred to as being beyond Omega...though it has been said this was a mistake as Omega is already unlimited potential""You know, I've only seen one written example of someone being confirmed as Omega and that was Iceman. Not saying there aren't others, but if someone had knowledge of where I could see other examples I'd be greatful."Mr. M is in the X-Men: The 198 series"
maybe but i dont see that same level of power being shown by these other so called omegas.
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