deadpool and fantomex , nuff said!!!

Too Early to tell....But i do Really Miss Dom and X-23.

I Hope that this can make it to an one hundred issue run ..
 
the tag line should be ``all new  all deadly x-force ..
and this was very informative thanks ...

I like them both. As of late the last two x-force teams have been my favorite x-teams for a while. They're getting down and dirty and fighting bad guys and they all consist of really great characters.

Yay about time we had some videos on the site, being getting withdrawl symptoms. 
 
Good discussion, I too had much love for the Kyle/Yost run but am intrigued to see how this new team goes.  
 
I miss Dom!!!

age of x cant wait !

My question is, how is Wolverine in hell, doing this stuff with the X-force AND his body is terrorizing the streets?  I need some continuity closure 

I like to think that Yost and Kyle are taking an X-Sabatical
 
Plus Yost is writing a part of Serve and Protect
 
But yeah i'm really digging Remender's X-Force plus Opena's art is beautiful

The two most recent X-Force teams and their characters are being handled so well in my opinion. Yost and Kyle did an amazing job bringing X-Force back and basically revamping it. Rick Remender though his writing gives a different feel has the same end result and that result is an issue that makes you want more, and I think thats difficult to accomplish. The new art for Uncanny X-Force is amazing, I've never seen Jerome Opena's art before this book but I definitely fell in love with it. My only complaint with X-Force to Uncanny X-Force was the lack of explanation concerning Domino. Yost and Kyle make us fall for Domino and Rick Remender unexplainably make us miss Domino. I must ask, Why so cruel Rick Remender?

Yost and Kyle's X-Force had more of an edge to it. Uncanny X- Force seems to have a better plot though. I'm going to wait 10 issues to actually compare the two though. I actually prefer the art in Yost and Kyle's tho :S Either way both X-Force's are easily more intriguing than any other X-title, and dare I say it.........  any other Marvel book.(Only the cosmic books come close) I only wish Necrosha wasn't rushed at the end....thats my only real complaint of any recent x-force book.

I have been so busy I totally forgot about this title.  When Kyle and Yost were on X-Force, it was one of my favorite books each month, but it's too early to tell in Remender's run.  I enjoyed the first issue, and got excited about the Warren and Betsy rekindling there relationship.  I just hope the remains a good read.

This video seems a bit out of focus.
 
The secret base idea makes no sense. If the enemy sees that they are X-Men. They aren't going to know they are a rogue faction. Wolverine, Angel, and Psylocke are well known members of X-Men. If they are seen by anyone, they are going to think this was a secret X-Men attack. They are going to attack the X-Men on Utopia, the target they know. This X-Force having a secret base makes them less of a target.
Not to mention, how is it that Cyclops or Emma wont notice these members disappearing for long stretches of time together?
 
The whole motivations of this new X-Force is so convoluted and filled with plot holes. The previous X-Force was for striking out at threats that the X-men couldn't be publicly seen striking at, such as the Purifiers. Mutants attacking humans, even if they are Purifiers, would cause an uproar. One their numbers were no longer in a position to handle.
Why do they need a covert ops team to go after a threat such as Apocalypse? I understand the need for a surprise attack, but I don't see why Cyclops would be against that. Who in their right mind would have hired members in a team that is suppose to be a secret? Did they make these guys pinky swear not to tell? Saying that Deadpool has been working for Warren all this time feels closer to a writer's convenience.
 
Even the selection of their first target being Apocalypse. Yes, he is a huge threat to mutants and humans, but when I see the history the team leaders have with him. It feels more as if they are just settling a personal score.
 
@nutzac4888:
If you are looking for continuity. Best to give up, now. You're never going to get it. Not with that many writers and titles going on at once.

Age of X is going to deal with an alternate timeline with the characters in legacy  
 
i am loving this so far 

as much as i hate scott making X-23 to be on x-force, i think it's better with her!

I think Magneto pretty much wants Apocalypse to be reborn. Apocalypse comes back, starts spewing his twisted Darwinist theories to make normal humans feel that mutants are a real threat instead of all gathered in a place where they can take them out if necessary. Then, Magneto gets the war he has always been looking for.

I love the way you two danced around X-Force as a Kill Squad. No sugar coating their mission statement, they are the reason why the X-men can continue to exist and tolerate the existence of humans. One of the reasons why I loved X-Force was how much fits into the complicated mosaic Fraction created, Utopia as the mutant Israel. 
 
Much like Israel who is guilty of war crimes, that is sending in covert ops to kill threats along their borders, Cyclops did the same...except now, it gets more interesting. 
 
Without Cyclops' blessing, the band is back together with TRUE professional killers. This band would wipe the floor with the original cast . 
 
What happens when the Avengers and other authorities discover the mutants have a kill squad? What if Avengers find out about Wolverine's participation?
 
Great stuff by Remender (Fear Agent)

I'm just looking forward to seeing how Havok and Polaris will fit in all of this...if at all...

I think Wolverine is actually pretty flexible when it comes to on how he acts and reacts to situations with X-23. Its really up to the writer at the time, and I am more surprised K&Y placed X-23 in the path, surprised, but not really surprised, it was the only book they were writing and X-23 is flexible enough as a character to also be present there and of course Wolverine is there to so, and then back to Wolverine, well he makes his fair share of mistakes and bad decisions all the time, and is often hypocritical. That flaw in his character actually makes him more endearing. He is the flawed 'father' making mistakes, not the perfect father type figure who takes responsibility at the right times.  
 
I liked the older X-Force so far, more, because (it had more time to develop lol) and it took underrated characters, less popular characters and showed how they have their own little quirks and interesting angles. The current Uncanny X-Force has those same types of interesting and unusual characters, but I mean, its not very subtle at all, and its just already there, lol this combination is just rife with interesting conflict and interaction. For me, this takes away a lot of the subtlety and humanization the previous X-Force had. Jimmy's dark edge, Dom's humor, basically all the characters interaction with each other. Vanisher being interesting and boosted from a C-Lister. Uncanny X-Force, I mean it realizes that and now needs to create as strong villains and now we are hit with villains who exploit the Rule of Weird to full degree. We won't really see any small moments, each character will probably be played as a caricature, as they probably should as its more entertaining generally and probably more bankable.
 
Pretty sure Magneto in background was just a part of Kid A's training, almost hundred percent sure X-Force and all that won't play into Age of X, would sound quite convoluted otherwise. 
 
Oh and nicely said Dr. Detfink

This type of videos is why I love Comicvine. I don't have friends that read comics so I'm always wanting to discuss this things with someone and I can't, but is nice to see other people doing it.
 
BTW, Uncanny X-Force is extremely good. And the end of the last team was necessary, as great a comic it was, its ending was great storywise.

" Much like Israel who is guilty of war crimes, that is sending in covert ops to kill threats along their borders, Cyclops did the same...except now, it gets more interesting. "

So much X-Teams....
 
No more X-23??? °__O
ooooh...
I do miss her...

"deadpool and fantomex , nuff said!!! "

" @FoxxFireArt: 
 
Yes, there's no denying there's a reason for retaliation. However, not all of Israel's actions were provoked. How about their operation that blew up Iraq's plans for a nuclear plant back in the 80s? or their plans to blow up the Iranian nuclear bunker underground. Justified or not, this is not something sanctioned by the U.N.   "

This band would wipe the flood with the original cast . 
   

That's Magneto manipulating liquid metal in the Age of X preview. Very cool stuff.
 
As far as the new X-Force goes, I love it. It reminds me of classic Uncanny X-Men more than any other X-book released in recent years.  The cast really only has Archangel for me, the rest I can take or leave. With the right people at the helm such as the creative team for this book - it works regardless of that.

I' ve a prob with the team in the book cut wolverine out and get more girls on it... besides wolverine is on the avengers, uncanny x-force uncanny x-men, x-men, and whatever more too much on of thing such plain sucks

 i really like the idea  of uncanny in no one at all knows about it love the roster be nice if it was a wee bit bigger like if it had domino or a re-imagined shatterstar i liked the feel of the other x-force team like having a quick evac in vanisher,  a medic in elixir, and aerial support in  angel then the ground team. i wouldnt really worry about anyone reading their mind cuz who would want to read deadpool's mind, cant read fantomex's or psylocke if they dont want you to, if they read angels when he is in archangel mode he really already has Apocalypse on the brain and wolverine im not sure i think it would be hard to read him

As far as Fantomex and Deadpool are concerned: Fantomex has always been a mercenary, a thrillseeker second, and a narcissist third. Suicidal mission with next to zero chance for success and they need him to even the odds.  
Deadpool is crazy but he has also worked for Weapon X, he has a limited sense of self preservation, and helped wolverine take down Romulus..I think he fits...Just Barely 
 
As far as Babs and G Man's commentary on Wolverine, Psylocke, and Betsy being away at the same time...All wolverine has to say is that he was helping the avengers or any of the other 500 teams he is a member of and people typically do not question wolverine about where he has been they are only glad that he is here now (greatly in part due to his possible superpower of omnipresence).          

Loved K/Y's X-Force but this one is shaping up to be great. Also, Age of X is an alternate universe where the X-Men never existed.

Love this video!

too early to tell. According to Remender, the roster isn't complete yet

X-Force kills Uncanny anyday!

I don't understand how so many people are confused by Wolverine being in hell / on the Avengers / on X-Force / Quarantined on Utopia congruently. Titles publish one issue a month (if that), but most stories arcs unfold in the course of only a few days. Even if every six issue story arc averaged out to be a week in marvel time (which is far too liberal), that would only account for two weeks of stories a year from each title. There are 365 days a year.  Even if Wolverine had 20 titles every month there would still be time unaccounted for. Being confused by the multiple Wolverine books is like being confused how someone can be at soccer on Thursday, because  you saw them at school on Monday...

Wolverine and Deadpool both have less monthly appearances than Batman and I don't hear anyone complaining about Bruce being overexposed. At least Wolverine and Deadpool are full time heroes/mercs, Bruce Wayne has a day job, a variety of social obligations and he still manages to litter DC's monthly solicits with a dozen appearances.

Im NEW to comics and stuff so I really dont understand some things when theres too many books going around.   
My question! 
if this is the new roster for X-Force and it happend after Wolverine and his team came back from fighting the sentals in the future and Cable died...wtf is going on w/ curse of the mutants? and whats the deal w/ this Wolverine and this NEW XForce team? isnt Wolverine in Hell and his body was being possessed by a Demon, is this demon helping out the New X-Force team? I thought The Five Lights story arc w/ Hope was going on right now and Magneto was a good guy?!

Kyle/Yost's X-Force is the superior book. Overall better writing and better characterizations. Like you guy's said it had more of a team vibe to it. It also had a better team. This team's too small. I see how in special ops that could be an advantage but it's just too imbalanced. It's made of blades/stabbers more or less. And it's lacking in support. The original team had Logan/X-23/Warpath/Wolfsbane for close quarters combat. You had Domino for sharp shooting, Elixer as medical support, and Vanisher (albeit reluctantly) as transport. That's a well rounded team of personalities and abilities (even the 3 ferals all fought uniquely). One thing that bothers me is that. Domino/Elixer aren't on this new team. I mean they were both 100% behind the idea of X-Force. I could see Warpath/Wolfsbane (who was traumatized by her experiences) leaving the team. But not Dom and Elixer. Fantomex is a great character and like an earlier poster said a thrill seeker. He's always looking for some way to occupy his time and a challenge so I get why he's doing this. I also sense that he's looking for some place to belong, he was made to be a weapon and I think this is his attempt at finding a purpose and maybe, some friends. Deadpool being here is "for the money" but I think that he like fantomex is also looking for some place to belong. After his infiltration of the Skrull base he joined the X-Men (well tried) but was rejected by Cyclops and the others. You could see that he was genuinely hurt by this. His tactics were too violent and extreme for the X-Men's peaceful public image and and he almost caused a huge PR fallout for the team. However, in the end he made things work out for the best. Despite this he was still more or less told to take a hike and to NEVER come back to utopia or San Francisco. Despite wearing a mask, you could still see the pain on his face and see in his dialog that he was deeply hurt by this rejection.  
 
As far as this book goes, I have two major issues. The first is the characterization of angel. Though in all fairness this was started by Kyle/Yost. I understand the reemergence of the Arch Angel persona. However, I think it undercuts all the character development that went into angel prior to this whole messiah War/2nd coming time span. in the old X-Factor days, Jean did confirm Angel's tech-organic wings did have a psyche of their own and were an extension of his darker, more violent side.This "death" persona was strengthened by his both his overt/subconscious blood lust. But over time angel conquered this and returned to his original state. I can understand how X-Force's mission's violent nature, the general threat and stress he lived under and his wings being savagely ripped could serve as catalyst for his transformation, but I don't like it. It's just not very good writing. That is the one Misstep in Kyle/Yost's run to me. And it's sad to see Remender follow up on that development and even make it a focal point of the series.  
  
My next issue is with Apocalypse. I'm not so much angry at him being a child, as him being a child who must be taught.  It's not like ol' blue lips hasn't manifested as weaker forms before (I mean in one future he takes the form of an old lady!), but the one thing that remains constant is that HE KNOWS who he is, and what he's all about. He need never be told his origin or what he is!!! It's just counterintuitive to the character. Especially since he's being more or less trained to sic the X-Men/Xavier. Since WHEN has he given a rat's sack about the X-men/Chuck unless they specifically had material value in a scheme of his? Also, since when has he been a mutant defender, human hater? (Outside of bad writing making it so?) Apocalypse care's only for the strong. This is best exhibited in AOA, when he rules the world he establishes social Darwinism to the full out extent. Mutant or human, you can have a place in his kingdom as long as you have the sufficient strength to do so. Another problem his presence presents is that whenever he's awakened before his intended time by the Clan Akkaba he has more or less nearly exterminated all of them for their weakness of needing his aid. Why would they expect this to not happen this time. Example in the trade where they awaken him in the 1800's to defeat Dracula he does so, but also punishes his "children" for their shameful, pathetic lack of power.  This version of Apocalypse just...doesn't...work... 
 
Lastly you're going against the mutant who has singlehandedly mollywhopped multiple X-Men teams...at once? And you want to do it with THIS team (note, they had/have no idea he's a kid)? Really? Le sigh, ok den, folk. There's a lot of problems with this book IMO. Yet, I have to admit my personal biases aside it's well written/illustrated. I'll eat the meat and spit out the bone and take it for what it is. I would've liked to see it go in another direction (larger/balanced team, black ops centric, focus on interpersonal relationships). I think this kid Apocalypse thing was done mainly to peak interest and boos sales because of and within itself it doesn't work. I think Remender would've had a better story had he had X-Force go after the remaining members of the FOH, The Right, or Purifiers.  I'll see how this arc pans out and if things don't improve I'll drop it.

" too early to tell. According to Remender, the roster isn't complete yet "

I was curious about that last page as well but I think it was just a pic of Magneto from one of the screens that projected images of the X-Men during Lil Apocalypse's lesson.  Still you can't help but wonder what that image implies.
 
Though I did say it's too early to tell which team is better I personally like Remenders team better than the first. They're all professional killers on some level as oppose to the original team that had a few members that had a hard time dealing with killing (Warpath, Wolfsbane, Elixr). 
 
I also like that this new team isn't mutant exclusive and has a Mutate (Deadpool) and Super-Sentinel (Fantomex) in their ranks.