@akbogert: I'm not saying what Surge said was completely justified, but some people don't even try to understand her reasoning.
I think her lashing out about killing is wrong. Yeah, that's naive. Her lashing out about killing is just that - Lashing out. I'm not saying Laura was in the wrong regarding killing.
I'm talking about the trust issue. Surge feeling betrayed isn't unjustified, but from the way people reacted, she's Hitler. I'm not saying she did this because of she's the leader, but because her personality is that of a leaders. As in her not calling someone out on something and shutting up isn't something a leader should do, so get her lack of restraint when she feels trust, something important in a team, has been breached. I dunno why I linked it to the tough love idea. That's how I feel people should treat her, so that was me just being annoyed and jumping the gone with that. Really should've come later on.
Regarding the friends thing, something I remember (I haven't read about her since the end of her 2nd series) is X-23 having very bad social skills. I'm pretty sure there are books for that. I can't recall her trying especially hard to make friends.
Not related to this incident, but there's a big difference between the morality of killing people and having trouble making friends.
I'm saying writers make characters comment on how hot she is consistently and make her badass to an insane degree. But I did exaggerate there when I said the Marvel Universe "loves" her, but from what I've read, it's the trend to make her scarily competent bordering on Bat-God levels. Although how much that bothers someone varies. As someone who only somewhat liked X-23, it bothers me a lot.
I said what I said because people seem to see Surge as if she's being a b*tch and completely unjustified in what she did, even making up reasons to further demonise her. I really hate it when people do that to a character because they just like the one that said character is calling out, and refuse to see it from that character's perspective. That's something I see a lot with characters like X-23; characters that have bad social skills and tragic backgrounds. Jason Todd has been getting this treatment since he came back.
It was wrong to say she was at fault. What I was really trying (and failing) to say was people should at least try to see it from Surge's point of view, which most people haven't. Doesn't help that this is an X-23 forum.
I admit I wrote that comment poorly. I didn't really think anyone would even know about it (I didn't know about Comicvine's system) let alone read it. Like I said, I remembered this thread from a while back, and that comment (and this one by extension) is me venting. I just wanted to make my points quickly, I didn't think about clarity or efficiency. Same case with this comment, really. This is just a little compulsion of mine that I needed to get out of my system. I get that you want to defend a character you like, and I can appreciate that, but I'm not looking to get into a debate, so let's just agree to disagree on any differences regarding this issue and leave it at that. I know that seems strange, as this is a forum, but I just had to give my two cents and I'm not a fan of deleting comments (unless it really comes to it). Please don't reply to me concerning this topic. I apologise for being rude, but I'd rather not get into a debate on this topic.