@agent41 said:
@dshipp17 said:
@agent41 said:
@dshipp17 said:
@agent41 said:
@dshipp17 said:
Seems like the editors have been writing the Wonder Woman comic book since Gail Simone left, and the trend is only becoming more pronounced; I've notice a lot of common patterns, irrespective of the writer, since Simone left; although we have a new writer, the Finch(es) run is not that much different from the end of the Azzarello run; only the first issue seemed different. So, this Director wanted to make her own script, couldn't, than decided to leave. The editors should only insist on about 1% of a script or comic be revised so that the writer or director can have their own move or comic book. I don't think Marvel is suffering from the same problem; perhaps even other characters at DC are not suffering this same problem (e.g. I notice the gradual progression in the World's Finest comic book in the way Power Girl's costume has gotten better or back to what we're accustomed to seeing for Power Girl). Wonder Woman really needs an editor to behave like the one who was over Wonder Woman during the Messner-Loebs's and Marston's runs. I'm finding that I'm enjoying the Wonder Woman comic less and less now, since I notice this clear pattern, and this editor's taste is clearly not my taste for a Wonder Woman comic; the issues even extended over into the Superman/Wonder Woman book, soon after Charles Soule had written a comic that I really liked; I notice that a Wonder Woman comic was matching my tastes was never seen again after issue 5, I believe.
DC wants WW to have an acclaimed and successful movie. So they will stay away from the critically panned messner-loebs era.
Those are people giving an opinion more than 15 years later and who have gotten into a herd mentality about people recommending the Perez run as a jump on point for Wonder Woman; the people who liked Messner-Loebs run are probably all gone and lost their patience with how DC has been handling Wonder Woman, since each successive writer has slighted Messner-Loebs' run in some way; to point you into something more associated with peoples' real opinion, more people liked the Retro 90s comic by Messner-Loebs than the other Retro comics; no doubt, Messner-Loebs fans flocked back. In reality, I've actually read the most complaints about the Wonder Woman comics over the past 3 years than I'd ever read/heard about the Wonder Woman comics, even though it's supposedly critically acclaimed, although I've only been spotting complaints since April 2009.
loebs-messner was never an acclaimed era for WW. And it was not her most supported era by fans either.
Sometimes, people let the best opportunities go by. His run got a lot of support at the time and immediately after wards.
loebs-messner wasn't an acclaimed era. I lived it so i know very well that it wasn't as supported as you make it out to be.
I don't disagree with you, but I believe the same can be said for the Perez run; my point is that his run is probably looking better, if you view it from hindsight, even though I'm sure I would have enjoyed his run, if I were reading his comic at the time. I lived through that era too, I just simply wasn't aware of any Wonder Woman comic books at the time; I just found out about a decade later that I enjoyed the Messner-Loebs run better than any other run except Marston's, while reading through each run; at the time I was reviewing past runs, Rucka's run was just being formed; because subsequent runs were not looking to be as good as Marston's run, I skipped most of them, although I sampled each run; I didn't like the idea of Wonder Tot, because I wasn't looking to get into anything meant for children. I went completely through Perez's run and noticed that Wonder Woman was getting victories too easily, although I really loved the bizarre stuff Perez came up with; they really suited Wonder Woman, but it got spoiled when she got victories too easily; I wanted to see things like bondage and sticky situations for Wonder Woman to climb out; I did go completely through Wonder Woman's powerless run, and, of course, I went completely through Messner-Loebs's run; I skipped through the Hippolyta as Wonder Woman stuff in Byrne's run, although I enjoyed the parts of his run that I read, except, again, she got easy victories. I admit, in terms of creativity, Perez was really good, he just avoided putting Wonder Woman in sticky situations. I liked Rucka's run more in hindsight; I wanted him to further develop the interaction between Wonder Woman and Ferdinand, and I liked that he had plans for Dr. Psycho working with Veronica Cale, but he messed up by taking it from that and diving heavily into Greek Mythology; additionally, I didn't like him bringing another woman in between Wonder Woman and Ferdinand, and it would have been good to see how they got connected with each other. I wish Gail Simone would have stayed with the Grendel subplot or that group from Messner-Loebs's Space Pirate arc a lot longer, but I think she was struggling with editorial, causing her to be unable to close plot lines smoothly; one flaw about the Messner-Loebs's run for me was his decision to leave the Space Pirate story arc so soon and his slip up with giving Wonder Woman an easy victory while leaving that story arc. JMS/Hester left Dr. Psycho too soon and the run was too focused on blood and gore.
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