It may be early but screw it. Approx how much do you think the movie's gonna make? Maybe by summer 2017, if I still log on in this site, I can compare these guesses to how well it performed ha.
xoxo, -Saint Sophie
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It may be early but screw it. Approx how much do you think the movie's gonna make? Maybe by summer 2017, if I still log on in this site, I can compare these guesses to how well it performed ha.
xoxo, -Saint Sophie
Depending on how interesting the trailer will be, I would say around $100 million if it's good like other action trailers.
I think we'd have a better idea if we had BvS or SS to go off of. I know MoS did great and even if DC sees a fall in numbers with the abundance of comic book related media and with a chance of BvS/SS doing poorly I do believe WW, given this is her first film, will do relatively well. I mean her animated film was well received so i imagine her live action would be too
so around the 300-400 range but if DC shapes up i think it could do even better
At Best 400 to 500 mill total. Worst 100 to 200 mill. I think it will be 300 mill total worldwide.
i honestly think if they get it right, it could do 800-900 mil ww. but since i have no faith in dc/wb to do that, maybe 400 to 500 mil ww.
On a second note, that might be in the U.S. alone, well people are highly expectant when it comes to Women starring in action
@theblondegod: Yep, other countries favor female protagonists.
On a second note, that might be in the U.S. alone, well people are highly expectant when it comes to Women starring in action
More or less impossible considering the only comic book movies to gross that much domestically are the first Avengers movie and The Dark Knight.
On a second note, that might be in the U.S. alone, well people are highly expectant when it comes to Women starring in action
More or less impossible considering the only comic book movies to gross that much domestically are the first Avengers movie and The Dark Knight.
Wonder Woman is more popular than the Avengers and The Dark Knight combined, obviously. Don't be sexist.
Less than MoS, a lot less.
It's sandwiched in between Toy Story 4 and Despicable Me 3.
$350 worldwide, if it's lucky. WB is going to have to move it to Mid-March or Mid-August if it wants it to compete.
Less than MoS, a lot less.
It's sandwiched in between Toy Story 4 and Despicable Me 3.
$350 worldwide, if it's lucky. WB is going to have to move it to Mid-March or Mid-August if it wants it to compete.
Yeah, with that kind of competition it's going to have a rough time.
depends on how much marketing support WB puts behind the film ... I suspect it will be no more than $125M (US) unless WB throws a ton of support behind it ... the novelty of a big brand female hero will be a draw if they message it right in the advertising (i.e. get guys excited to see it), but realistically I'd be surprised if her solo film outperformed Thor or Captain America: First Avenger (both around $180M U.S.) ... but, assuming a good script, she should do at least as well as Green Lantern ($116M)
Notable female action films
Lucy $126M
Salt $118M
Tomb Raider $131M
*numbers from Box Office Mojo domestic figures ... I suspect WW to over-deliver in Global box office relative to the U.S. ... Lucy, Salt and Thor did much better in Global markets than in the US as a % of their total box office with 60-70% being outside of the US and I imagine WW will probably be the same.
Not to be a bummer, but I think these numbers are very optimistic. If DC/WB is planning on doing something heavily in Greek Mythology, I think that approach is what's going to sink it. The numbers you're all citing is films like Dark Knight and Avengers. Greek Mythology is a small niche carved out of the superhero business. If DC/WB goes with the Greek Mythology, I see this netting something like the John Carter film in the domestic box office. Domestically, I think it could go as low as $36 million, like John Carter, up to about $130 million. Globally, the film may get in the range of $70 million up to around $275 million.
Two years is a while off and the focus in Greek Mythology may fade; the focus in Greek Mythology already seems to be tapering away. So, DC/WB will have that time to consider focusing on Wonder Woman's rogues gallery and Dr. Psycho. If DC/WB makes a decision to turn back to Wonder Woman's rogues' gallery and make the primary antagonist Dr. Psycho, even if they go with some type of villain team up, I think the results could be unpredictably positive. With that decision, I think the domestic numbers may get up to $270 to $390 million, pretty similar to Man of Steel, but, to hope for something like Dark Knight or Avengers numbers is a bit too optimistic. So, if the Greek Mythology fade has tapered off in two years and people have gotten tired of the Greek Mythology in two years time, but production is currently heavily focused in Greek Mythology, DC/WB could create a disaster similar to the Catwoman movie, although Wonder Woman is high profile enough to weather such a disaster and create domestic box office numbers in the $30 million to $70 million range. I'd be amazed if this film does well, if DC/WB decides to push forward with a heavy emphases in Greek Mythology. Thus, DC could either make Ares the main antagonist (or maybe Firstborn) for a Greek Mythology film or make Dr. Psycho the main antagonist for a film focused on her rogues gallery; along with Dr. Psycho, I'm sure DC/WB will find a way to include Cheetah, Giganta, Circe, or Silver Swan, but Dr. Psycho should be the main antagonist; perhaps Ares is manipulating Dr. Psycho and the team of rogues in the background.
Not to be a bummer, but I think these numbers are very optimistic. If DC/WB is planning on doing something heavily in Greek Mythology, I think that approach is what's going to sink it. The numbers you're all citing is films like Dark Knight and Avengers. Greek Mythology is a small niche carved out of the superhero business. If DC/WB goes with the Greek Mythology, I see this netting something like the John Carter film in the domestic box office. Domestically, I think it could go as low as $36 million, like John Carter, up to about $130 million. Globally, the film may get in the range of $70 million up to around $275 million.
Two years is a while off and the focus in Greek Mythology may fade; the focus in Greek Mythology already seems to be tapering away. So, DC/WB will have that time to consider focusing on Wonder Woman's rogues gallery and Dr. Psycho. If DC/WB makes a decision to turn back to Wonder Woman's rogues' gallery and make the primary antagonist Dr. Psycho, even if they go with some type of villain team up, I think the results could be unpredictably positive. With that decision, I think the domestic numbers may get up to $270 to $390 million, pretty similar to Man of Steel, but, to hope for something like Dark Knight or Avengers numbers is a bit too optimistic. So, if the Greek Mythology fade has tapered off in two years and people have gotten tired of the Greek Mythology in two years time, but production is currently heavily focused in Greek Mythology, DC/WB could create a disaster similar to the Catwoman movie, although Wonder Woman is high profile enough to weather such a disaster and create domestic box office numbers in the $30 million to $70 million range. I'd be amazed if this film does well, if DC/WB decides to push forward with a heavy emphases in Greek Mythology. Thus, DC could either make Ares the main antagonist (or maybe Firstborn) for a Greek Mythology film or make Dr. Psycho the main antagonist for a film focused on her rogues gallery; along with Dr. Psycho, I'm sure DC/WB will find a way to include Cheetah, Giganta, Circe, or Silver Swan, but Dr. Psycho should be the main antagonist; perhaps Ares is manipulating Dr. Psycho and the team of rogues in the background.
No one gives a crap about Dr. Psycho outside of WW fans ... let's be real here, if they go with a non-Myth story he's not the best option for an action hero movie criminal ... Cheetah is probably the only major non-Myth based WW villain that general public audiences are going to even recognize and, to be blunt, the sexy-woman-beast angle is going to do more to attract male audiences than a misogynist vs. feminist agenda. Not to say they couldn't do something awesome with Psycho, but IMO that would be better for sequel territory.
I would be very surprised if her solo film produces more than $150M domestically ... unless there is a huge amount of hype coming out of BvS and a clear understanding that here solo film is critical viewing for future JL related films. I do think you are correct with the myth based film statments in terms of US domestic figures ... Hercules only grossed $72M domestically but it did $170M outside of the US so it obviously plays better to the international film audience, as did Thor.
Not to be a bummer, but I think these numbers are very optimistic. If DC/WB is planning on doing something heavily in Greek Mythology, I think that approach is what's going to sink it. The numbers you're all citing is films like Dark Knight and Avengers. Greek Mythology is a small niche carved out of the superhero business. If DC/WB goes with the Greek Mythology, I see this netting something like the John Carter film in the domestic box office. Domestically, I think it could go as low as $36 million, like John Carter, up to about $130 million. Globally, the film may get in the range of $70 million up to around $275 million.
Two years is a while off and the focus in Greek Mythology may fade; the focus in Greek Mythology already seems to be tapering away. So, DC/WB will have that time to consider focusing on Wonder Woman's rogues gallery and Dr. Psycho. If DC/WB makes a decision to turn back to Wonder Woman's rogues' gallery and make the primary antagonist Dr. Psycho, even if they go with some type of villain team up, I think the results could be unpredictably positive. With that decision, I think the domestic numbers may get up to $270 to $390 million, pretty similar to Man of Steel, but, to hope for something like Dark Knight or Avengers numbers is a bit too optimistic. So, if the Greek Mythology fade has tapered off in two years and people have gotten tired of the Greek Mythology in two years time, but production is currently heavily focused in Greek Mythology, DC/WB could create a disaster similar to the Catwoman movie, although Wonder Woman is high profile enough to weather such a disaster and create domestic box office numbers in the $30 million to $70 million range. I'd be amazed if this film does well, if DC/WB decides to push forward with a heavy emphases in Greek Mythology. Thus, DC could either make Ares the main antagonist (or maybe Firstborn) for a Greek Mythology film or make Dr. Psycho the main antagonist for a film focused on her rogues gallery; along with Dr. Psycho, I'm sure DC/WB will find a way to include Cheetah, Giganta, Circe, or Silver Swan, but Dr. Psycho should be the main antagonist; perhaps Ares is manipulating Dr. Psycho and the team of rogues in the background.
No one gives a crap about Dr. Psycho outside of WW fans ... let's be real here, if they go with a non-Myth story he's not the best option for an action hero movie criminal ... Cheetah is probably the only major non-Myth based WW villain that general public audiences are going to even recognize and, to be blunt, the sexy-woman-beast angle is going to do more to attract male audiences than a misogynist vs. feminist agenda. Not to say they couldn't do something awesome with Psycho, but IMO that would be better for sequel territory.
I would be very surprised if her solo film produces more than $150M domestically ... unless there is a huge amount of hype coming out of BvS and a clear understanding that here solo film is critical viewing for future JL related films. I do think you are correct with the myth based film statments in terms of US domestic figures ... Hercules only grossed $72M domestically but it did $170M outside of the US so it obviously plays better to the international film audience, as did Thor.
I think we can make everyone give a crap about Dr. Psycho and I like the sexy-woman-beast angle will cause people to give a crap about Dr. Psycho, if done right; I hope those type of fans are brought in by making Dr. Psycho the main antagonist; than, some of the misogynist vs. misandry stuff can be added to help clarify the picture; I think that's the perfect flavor, because, although it's not commonly used, it generally proves to be highly successful when it is used; this will bring in a lasting and loyal new Wonder Woman fan base, and I was attracted to Wonder Woman because I thought that angle was there in relation to Wonder Woman; characters like Steve Trevor tends to repel me and those type of fans. To help, we can bring in the likes of Cheetah and Giganta, if only because the public will vaguely recognized them as being associate with Wonder Woman; if we go with this flavor, I think we may be pleasantly surprised by the eventual outcome. It's finally time to see what Dr. Psycho can do for Wonder Woman.
Not to be a bummer, but I think these numbers are very optimistic. If DC/WB is planning on doing something heavily in Greek Mythology, I think that approach is what's going to sink it. The numbers you're all citing is films like Dark Knight and Avengers. Greek Mythology is a small niche carved out of the superhero business. If DC/WB goes with the Greek Mythology, I see this netting something like the John Carter film in the domestic box office. Domestically, I think it could go as low as $36 million, like John Carter, up to about $130 million. Globally, the film may get in the range of $70 million up to around $275 million.
Two years is a while off and the focus in Greek Mythology may fade; the focus in Greek Mythology already seems to be tapering away. So, DC/WB will have that time to consider focusing on Wonder Woman's rogues gallery and Dr. Psycho. If DC/WB makes a decision to turn back to Wonder Woman's rogues' gallery and make the primary antagonist Dr. Psycho, even if they go with some type of villain team up, I think the results could be unpredictably positive. With that decision, I think the domestic numbers may get up to $270 to $390 million, pretty similar to Man of Steel, but, to hope for something like Dark Knight or Avengers numbers is a bit too optimistic. So, if the Greek Mythology fade has tapered off in two years and people have gotten tired of the Greek Mythology in two years time, but production is currently heavily focused in Greek Mythology, DC/WB could create a disaster similar to the Catwoman movie, although Wonder Woman is high profile enough to weather such a disaster and create domestic box office numbers in the $30 million to $70 million range. I'd be amazed if this film does well, if DC/WB decides to push forward with a heavy emphases in Greek Mythology. Thus, DC could either make Ares the main antagonist (or maybe Firstborn) for a Greek Mythology film or make Dr. Psycho the main antagonist for a film focused on her rogues gallery; along with Dr. Psycho, I'm sure DC/WB will find a way to include Cheetah, Giganta, Circe, or Silver Swan, but Dr. Psycho should be the main antagonist; perhaps Ares is manipulating Dr. Psycho and the team of rogues in the background.
No one gives a crap about Dr. Psycho outside of WW fans ... let's be real here, if they go with a non-Myth story he's not the best option for an action hero movie criminal ... Cheetah is probably the only major non-Myth based WW villain that general public audiences are going to even recognize and, to be blunt, the sexy-woman-beast angle is going to do more to attract male audiences than a misogynist vs. feminist agenda. Not to say they couldn't do something awesome with Psycho, but IMO that would be better for sequel territory.
I would be very surprised if her solo film produces more than $150M domestically ... unless there is a huge amount of hype coming out of BvS and a clear understanding that here solo film is critical viewing for future JL related films. I do think you are correct with the myth based film statments in terms of US domestic figures ... Hercules only grossed $72M domestically but it did $170M outside of the US so it obviously plays better to the international film audience, as did Thor.
I think we can make everyone give a crap about Dr. Psycho and I like the sexy-woman-beast angle will cause people to give a crap about Dr. Psycho, if done right; I hope those type of fans are brought in by making Dr. Psycho the main antagonist; than, some of the misogynist vs. misandry stuff can be added to help clarify the picture; I think that's the perfect flavor, because, although it's not commonly used, it generally proves to be highly successful when it is used; this will bring in a lasting and loyal new Wonder Woman fan base, and I was attracted to Wonder Woman because I thought that angle was there in relation to Wonder Woman; characters like Steve Trevor tends to repel me and those type of fans. To help, we can bring in the likes of Cheetah and Giganta, if only because the public will vaguely recognized them as being associate with Wonder Woman; if we go with this flavor, I think we may be pleasantly surprised by the eventual outcome. It's finally time to see what Dr. Psycho can do for Wonder Woman.
I kind of feel like Dr. Psycho runs too much risk of being like Parallax in the GL movie. And there is the question of how they want to position her in the DCCU, it already sounds like Warrior Woman is the direction they are going with her so I suspect we'll get a more physical villain in her solo film.
depends on how much marketing support WB puts behind the film ... I suspect it will be no more than $125M (US) unless WB throws a ton of support behind it ... the novelty of a big brand female hero will be a draw if they message it right in the advertising (i.e. get guys excited to see it), but realistically I'd be surprised if her solo film outperformed Thor or Captain America: First Avenger (both around $180M U.S.) ... but, assuming a good script, she should do at least as well as Green Lantern ($116M)
Notable female action films
Lucy $126M
Salt $118M
Tomb Raider $131M
*numbers from Box Office Mojo domestic figures ... I suspect WW to over-deliver in Global box office relative to the U.S. ... Lucy, Salt and Thor did much better in Global markets than in the US as a % of their total box office with 60-70% being outside of the US and I imagine WW will probably be the same.
I disagree that it won't do as well as Thor, or Captain America. Sure traditionally female lead movies don't do as well, but this is Wonder Woman we're talking about. She's more iconic then Thor, and Captain America combined when their respective movies came out. She might still be lucky to break 200 domestically, or 300 foreign, but I still think she'll beat Thor.
Enough to get a sequel. But it all hinges on
If Gadot is well received in BvS, the movie could probably get $500-600 mil globally.
This
depends on how much marketing support WB puts behind the film ... I suspect it will be no more than $125M (US) unless WB throws a ton of support behind it ... the novelty of a big brand female hero will be a draw if they message it right in the advertising (i.e. get guys excited to see it), but realistically I'd be surprised if her solo film outperformed Thor or Captain America: First Avenger (both around $180M U.S.) ... but, assuming a good script, she should do at least as well as Green Lantern ($116M)
Notable female action films
Lucy $126M
Salt $118M
Tomb Raider $131M
*numbers from Box Office Mojo domestic figures ... I suspect WW to over-deliver in Global box office relative to the U.S. ... Lucy, Salt and Thor did much better in Global markets than in the US as a % of their total box office with 60-70% being outside of the US and I imagine WW will probably be the same.
I disagree that it won't do as well as Thor, or Captain America. Sure traditionally female lead movies don't do as well, but this is Wonder Woman we're talking about. She's more iconic then Thor, and Captain America combined when their respective movies came out. She might still be lucky to break 200 domestically, or 300 foreign, but I still think she'll beat Thor.
I think that you are being VERY optimistic ... I hope you are right! Her icon status works against her as much as for her IMO ... it carries a lot of baggage that has potential to alienate men if they think it's just going to be a "feminazi" movie. I'm not trying to be negative here, but I think realistically her success will be massively based on how the marketing goes.
@agent41: The week before it comes out = Toy Story 4. The week after it comes out = Despicable Me 3.
500M is a pipe dream.
@agent41: While it's possible, chances are slim honestly. Even with a well promoted movie, competition can still beat it. Why else do you think WB's pushed the release date for BvS earlier as opposed to having it directly compete with Captain America?
That said, by no means am I saying that the movie being sucessful is out of the question. It's just that tough competition like that may make it lose profit, especially with the titles that it's going up against. Scratch that, the only way it will make a decent sum is if Gadot get's her shizzle together and her performance is well recieved in BvS.
-xoxo, Saint Sophie
@saint_sophie: on global numbers 400-500M isn't a ridiculous feat. She's likely going to perform better outside of the U.S. On a % of total metric (I'd bet she'll hit 60-70% of total outside of U.S.). If she hits a domestic number around $150M it's likely she'll hit 400-500M total global box office. Roughly where Thor landed. Mind you that is dependent on a lot of variables
Wonder Woman has a broad appeal vastly surpassing that of anyone outside Batman/Superman. In particular female protagonists do better at the box office than men because women make more decisions about movies seen per household. Even outside iconic characters like WW, Frozen was a huge success with no male leads at all because despite what Hollywood execs believe, boys and men will watch movies with female protagonists, even if they say otherwise when surveyed.
Wonder Woman has a broad appeal vastly surpassing that of anyone outside Batman/Superman. In particular female protagonists do better at the box office than men because women make more decisions about movies seen per household. Even outside iconic characters like WW, Frozen was a huge success with no male leads at all because despite what Hollywood execs believe, boys and men will watch movies with female protagonists, even if they say otherwise when surveyed.
You act like I'm saying that Wonder Woman being a female protagonist is gonna affect her movie's movie box office gross. I just said that the fact that her movie is wedged in with Toy Story and Despicable Me makes me feel that Wonder Woman's in for some competition.
I also added that Gadot's performance is one to watch as well. People were riled up when Gadot was casted. Now say Gadot's performance is panned or viewed in a negative light for people, well..
xoxo, -Saint Sophie
Sorry, I wasn't trying to make that implication at all about your comments. It was more that I think people underestimate the trend in movie viewership because they don't look at the statistics. Female centered movies frequently perform above expectations. Toy Story and Despicable Me will get some great crowds, but a female protagonist film wedged in will have some real potential, especially since it will be people my age (35) taking their kids to see it. WW has a huge fan base in our age group and we grew up on comics too. I will be taking my wife and our three boys to see it for sure.
Will it be subject to reviews and such, yeah. A lot of people didn't see MoS or take kids because of the ending. Personally I could have done without the rest of the 45 minutes or so of nauseatingly boring "action" and Jesus metaphors but loved the very last bit where he kills Zod, because that is one of the few challenges Superman faces. If WW is filled with so much action that you start to get bored with it, then yeah it won't do as well as it could (but will still do well). If it surpasses MoS in edited structure (not a huge feat) then it will do fantastic, if only through persistent play as opposed to opening box office.
Wonder Woman has a broad appeal vastly surpassing that of anyone outside Batman/Superman. In particular female protagonists do better at the box office than men because women make more decisions about movies seen per household. Even outside iconic characters like WW, Frozen was a huge success with no male leads at all because despite what Hollywood execs believe, boys and men will watch movies with female protagonists, even if they say otherwise when surveyed.
You act like I'm saying that Wonder Woman being a female protagonist is gonna affect her movie's movie box office gross. I just said that the fact that her movie is wedged in with Toy Story and Despicable Me makes me feel that Wonder Woman's in for some competition.
I also added that Gadot's performance is one to watch as well. People were riled up when Gadot was casted. Now say Gadot's performance is panned or viewed in a negative light for people, well..
xoxo, -Saint Sophie
They´re going to back off from that release date. Delay it by a year. I bet. I think depending on how Batman vs Superman goes, will depend how ww does in the box-office.
@saint_sophie: US usually represents at least 30% of revenue for most major films. Tends to skew closer to 40 or 50% for US centric films ... Dark Knight was about 50/50 and Avengers was about 40/60 ... Given that most of the big blockbusters are driven by the U.S. Film makers from typically US centric source material and take place in U.S. Cities it's not shocking that revenue typically indexes very high as a % of total. Movies like Star Wara, Hunger Games and Spider-Man all had around 50% coming from the US while films such as Avatar, Titanic and the Harry Potter movies were more global. WW, assuming it's not a WW2 period piece centered on the U.S. Will likely do better Internationally.
Less than MoS, a lot less.
It's sandwiched in between Toy Story 4 and Despicable Me 3.
$350 worldwide, if it's lucky. WB is going to have to move it to Mid-March or Mid-August if it wants it to compete.
Lol. Laughing my ass off
Loving this thread. So many people missed by a mie and a couple of freakishly accurate guesses
Few people seemed to of got it right. Of course it helped they didn't butcher the character.
@dshipp17: @crimsonlord53: @farron-croft: @csg_cl: How much things changed!.
right? The film is still going strong, and the international box office is climbing up quickly now ... she could be topping $800M ... blowing away any projection I saw
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