Will DC's 'New 52' Wonder Woman lose her shorts and identity?

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Posted by No_Name_ (12593 posts) - - Show Bio

We are only a few days away from August, which means summer is coming to a close and fall is just around the corner. As Flashpoint begins to wind down, and September veers its head, it's hard not to think about the big changes that will take place in the DC Universe this Fall. We know many of you can not wait for some of DCs massive changes to go into effect -- and some of you can. One character that has made the news pretty frequently in regards to the changes taking place is Wonder Woman. The main topic of discussion? Will she or won't she be wearing pants in her revamp. I say to this, who cares.

And while a good many of you are definitely spending a lot of time on that issue (I respect that you still care about her wardrobe so much), I have to ask whether or not the solicit information revealed by DC has been an issue of contention amongst fans? And if not, why not?

== TEASER ==
Wonder Woman #1

In the last month or so DC revealed the covers as well as the solicitations to the first two issues of Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang's upcoming Wonder Woman series; and from what we can tell, it sounds like Diana will be a very different character from the one we know her to be. The solicit for the first issue, which you'll be able to find at your local comic shop on September 21st, will showcase Wonder Woman as the protector of humanity from the Greek Gods.

The Gods walk among us. To them, our lives are playthings. Only one woman would dare to protect humanity from the wrath of such strange and powerful forces. But is she one of us - or one of them?

Interesting, considering she herself was created by "the Gods." We all know that story, right? Hippolyta wanted a child so she made Diana out of clay? Well, in addition to that origin, several of the Greek Goddesses bestowed upon Diana's soul "gifts" (characteristics) like beauty and strength. How much of this will remain consistent with the launch of the new DC universe?

The second issue, which will be going on sale October 19th is a bit more specific and mentions the Greek Goddess (and Zeus' wife) Hera, and her role in the conflict.

Hera, Queen of the Gods, does not take her vengeance lightly – and if Wonder Woman is so foolish as to stand in the way of her whim, then Wonder Woman is her enemy. But it’s Hera’s daughter Diana should truly fear – the goddess of discord is coming to Paradise Island, and murder always follows in her wake!

The thing about Hera is that she has always been on the side of the Amazons, and she's been a figure for Wonder Woman and her sisters to look up to. It was Hera that protected Themyscira from Zeus and from the world be shielding them from humanity, making the island invisible. Based on the solicit (above) for the second issue of Wonder Woman, it seems Diana will be protecting humanity and "our" world -- and that she might be disassociated from Themyscira. The solicit implies that Hera and the Greek Gods and Goddesses may become adversaries, posing a threat to Wonder Woman. At least for the first few issues. What will that mean for the Amazons on Themyscira? Will they even exist in this new DC universe? What will be the role of the Greek Gods and Goddesses and what will their relationship be with the Amazons?

We already know Wonder Woman's costume won't stay the same (apparently we'll be seeing both the pants and the shorts -- everyone's happy) but the more serious question is, how much of her identity will change and how much will stay the same? With J. Michael Straczynski and Phil Hester's Wonder Woman run on the cusp of coming to a close, there is a lot about Wonder Woman in current continuity that is already starkly different from her character prior to Wonder Woman issue #600. With #600 came the Odyssey story arc where Wonder Woman's mind had been erased of her identity and affiliation with the Amazons, their history and culture. Will that unfamiliarity with her identity carry over into the new DC universe and will Diana have any affiliation with the Amazons?

How much do you think should change?

#1 Posted by harleyquinn12 (1741 posts) - - Show Bio

i really think that Wonder Woman should return to her mythical roots, which was what i liked about Gail Simone's run. And while i like the no-pants version better, I would be satisfied with the pants. Either way, i can't wait for this book, and Cliff Chiang's art looks gorgeous.
#2 Posted by The_Tree (7986 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't care if she's wearing pants or not, but wiping out her history is a big no no.

#3 Posted by Bestostero (5590 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman's origins has always been one of my favorites... so I will be really bummed if they change it.

#4 Posted by GST1976 (512 posts) - - Show Bio
@The_Tree said:
I don't care if she's wearing pants or not, but wiping out her history is a big no no.
QFT
#5 Posted by Jenna (25 posts) - - Show Bio

The Perez origin made me love Wonder Woman.  If they change it, I'll...well, I guess the only thing I can really do is stop buying the title and/or write a strongly worded letter to Dan Didio, but I'll be super pissed and envision myself doing something REALLY bad to DC.

#6 Posted by yeopop (609 posts) - - Show Bio

Sometimes it seems they don't know what to do wit her.

#7 Posted by 00 Raiser (441 posts) - - Show Bio

We can all pray they dont do something stupid and wipe out here roots. Now with the said doesnt this artwork look AWESOME!!

#8 Posted by Gambit1024 (9843 posts) - - Show Bio

They should make her look like a warrior. No pants, no shorts, just do a skirt. 

#9 Posted by Cafeterialoca (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate the granny panties.

#10 Posted by StarKiller809 (1213 posts) - - Show Bio

I wasn't really worried about it not being the same Diana. Cliff Chang said that everyone knows her origin so they are started with another story. I think that this is the same Diana just a little problem with the gods or something. This article is going to make me worry about this...

#11 Posted by Maki_P (275 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't bother to read solicits. This has proven to be a mistake. While I hate the change in her costume (specially the choker, she will choke with that thing) I'm more concerned over the changes in her character. I mean "Hera’s daughter Diana" does not mean what I think it means right?

#12 Posted by Outside_85 (10313 posts) - - Show Bio

Perhaps they are leaning more towards legendary accuracy regarding Hera, a goddess that's got a mean steak a mile wide. And she kicked the levitating Themyscira into the sea because Zeus was looking a little too much at Artemis. 
As for Diana, perhaps she is breaking with the old way of simply accepting the Gods can do anything they want to, in the old legends the gods could be as evil as they could be benevolent. Apollo for example is the patron of healing for example, but he's also flayed a satyr alive for daring to challenge him to a music competition.

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#13 Posted by BuNKiTZ (177 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not exactly a fan of Wonder Woman per se, but I like her enough to care about her origin story. And maybe the fact that I love Greek Mythology is influencing this :P Anyways, I would prefer it if she had no pants, but that's not a big deal to me, much. What I want to see is that her real origin story will remain. Crafted by Hyppolita bla bla bla. That's what I want. All of that. And it's really gonna suck if they take that away and stick with what's going on in the Odyssey... I really hope not though, cause that would really suck! I mean, she has a somewhat different personality right?? If so, I'd really hate that. Cause I'm pretty sure Diana's personality in the comics (pre-Odyssey) should be like the one I know of in the Justice League cartoon :D

#14 Posted by Wonder Princess (139 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman has been a favorite of mine since childhood.  During that time she has had many different stories and looks.  I hope this new direction turns out good, but if not, I always have my old comics to reread. :)
#15 Posted by shackle (215 posts) - - Show Bio

You know when a character is in trouble?  When her COSTUME gets more press than anything else.  It's like Felicity got a haircut.

#16 Posted by ScarlettLynn (160 posts) - - Show Bio
@Maki_P: You can't just take a few words out of the middle of a sentence and try to pluck meaning from it. Use all of the words and you should be fine. Hera's daughter is who Diana should be worried about. Hera's daughter is the goddess of discord.
#17 Posted by Dernman (15812 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn't mind some changes to her origin and I wish they would fix the is she a warrior or an agent of peace thing. They never found the right balance.
 
TEAM PANTS

#18 Posted by kapitein_zeppos (338 posts) - - Show Bio

Here is my take.  The JMS run was just an elaborate switcharoo to toss the old WW in the trashcan and transfer the portfolio to the new, improvated and betterified street-level WW.   She's restored to her normal power level, but she's pretty much a completely new WW for all purposes and intents.
 
As for the new run, they just figured that recent movies and stories with the Gods as antagonists were pretty popular and switched them to the status of bad guys.  How many times have we seen a nasty, spiteful Hera ? Xena, Clash of the Titans, Hercules etc ... The sympathetic Greek Goddesses in the WW mythology was actually original, now they binned that idea ...
 
I give the current run about a year and a half before somebody else steps in and wrenches in his own personal Elseworlds leaving the horribly mutilated remains of continuity in a nearby dumpster.  Let's face it, we lost continuity in comics several years ago, continual reinvention and short term big events is all they have left.
 
I consider myself lucky if a series has half a dozen good issues before they radically change everything and you have to look for something else.  Channel hopping is now comic hopping ...

#19 Posted by keith71_98 (387 posts) - - Show Bio

Not the biggest fan of the art we're seeing. It also has my wife worried. This is her favorite book and she's not crazy about the look either.
#20 Posted by Pokeysteve (8690 posts) - - Show Bio

Put me down for keeping her origin and not caring about what she wears. It sounds like the Hercules show with Kevin Sorbo. I do love that show. Is anyone else concerned about her power levels? Is she still going to be able to pull a thirdish of the Earth and keep up with Jesse Quick? She's going to have to be pretty powerful to take on the gods. I like how they are making them a little more accurate. The Greek Gods are D!cks.

#21 Posted by waruikumo (357 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm for anything that gets the character going, other than some flashes in Simone's arc the character has been largely dead for well ever.   
 
Reboot HOOOOOO!!!

#22 Posted by ScarlettLynn (160 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman has always been protecting us from the gods. It doesn't matter what writer's run we're talking about, there's a been a god gone rogue at some point and she's kicked their ass on humanity's behalf. Zeus, Ares, Phobos. And she's had to cross the will of her goddesses as well from time to time. 
 
If Hera's off seeking vengeance somewhere and Wonder Woman chooses to get in her way then I don't see how this is out of character for either the deity (pretty classically vengeful) or Diana (always willing to protect the weaker).
 
Has anyone even glanced at Hera's bio on this site before running around bemoaning them changing things? It's not out of character, or something even remotely new, for her to be at odds with her Amazons.

#23 Posted by inferi22 (30 posts) - - Show Bio

It'll be so weird to see azzerello take on WW I just can't even picture it.  can't wait

#24 Posted by jubilee042 (1345 posts) - - Show Bio

if she wears both i'm happy

#25 Posted by SuperXAsh (529 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't know, no longer care. DC's dead to me right now.

#26 Posted by cosmo111687 (1463 posts) - - Show Bio

"But it’s Hera’s daughter Diana should truly fear – the goddess of discord is coming to Paradise Island, and 
 murder always follows in her wake!" 
 
That just means that Hera's daughter, the goddess of discord, is going to be Diana's next adversary - not that Diana is Hera's daughter. (Although I can see how you could've misread that because it's very unusually phrased.) :) 

#27 Posted by Omertalvendetta (383 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never cared about Wonder Woman so unless they do something miraculous to the atrocity they call her character, then maybe I can read her books and take her serious... starting with getting rid of the outdated granny panties.

#28 Posted by jointron33 (1813 posts) - - Show Bio
@Omertalvendetta: Sir.................what?
#29 Posted by mikeclark1982 (422 posts) - - Show Bio

i do not care if she was nude in the stories. as long as the book is good, we should read. why are we so obsessed with her outfit? do we get mad when marvel tweaks the x-men's outfits? heck if you want to gawk at a woman in the wonder woman outfit, sara dressed up as her once, and well, the woman who was going to play wonder woman on the tv show. go gawk at that.  
 
but at the end of the day, we should read the STORY and love it, not worry about what she wears. that is superficial and kinda creepy. why would a man care what a female hero wears?!?!?!

#30 Posted by xVikkix (120 posts) - - Show Bio

Team shortz!

#31 Posted by fodigg (6136 posts) - - Show Bio

My thoughts: 

  • "retractable pants" is stupid. the costume looks about the same either way.  
  • As for the origin, they can tweak it but it should stay rooted in greek myth.  
  • the worst thing they can do for her is pair her up with superman instead of establishing her as a worthy, standalone hero
#32 Posted by Druid (104 posts) - - Show Bio

OH NO! Wonder Woman may switch to wearing pants instead of shorts! Whatever will I do?

#33 Posted by crusader8463 (214 posts) - - Show Bio
@mikeclark1982: If she was naked I think I might actually care about reading a WW comic. Would be interesting to see her try to fight crime naked. and deal with the awkward looks people would give her.
#34 Posted by MrUnknown (1628 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambit1024: Umm... are you talking about a warrior or a school girl?! XD
@kapitein_zeppos: I guess the Greek Gods could originally be bad, but they change their attitude and learn from Diana. I don't think that it's such a bad route; it would definitely profile those characters more while they're villains and they will actually have some development for once.
#35 Edited by _Zombie_ (10448 posts) - - Show Bio

Not a big fan of her, as I don't read many WW comics, so it doesn't really affect me.  It's just another 'radical change' for fanboys to unnecessarily b**ch and moan about.

#36 Posted by labarith (669 posts) - - Show Bio

Funny, I think "Who cares" too,,, but becuase it;s just not the wonderwoman we want to focus on. 
 
This is like a cheap chinese knockoff of Wonderwoman.  And DC in general.

#37 Posted by Dernman (15812 posts) - - Show Bio
@fodigg:  It doesn't have to be instead they can do both.
I don't see them having the relationship being so big that it takes over the books. I think it will be a much smaller part then you think.
I don't even think it will be a perm relationship or only relationship they will have. Remember the big thing in they are trying to state is Superman is being single.
#38 Posted by jointron33 (1813 posts) - - Show Bio
@ZombieBigfoot: unnecessarily? when we're the ones buying the dang books we deserve to voice our complaints
#39 Posted by Gambit1024 (9843 posts) - - Show Bio
@MrUnknown: This: 
 
#40 Posted by ScarlettLynn (160 posts) - - Show Bio
@jointron33: Can you please clarify for me? What exactly is the change that we're supposed to be complaining about? Aside from pants vs. shorts vs. bathing suit... what in the solicits is there that is different from the Wonder Woman stories that we've known for years?
#41 Posted by fodigg (6136 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dernman said:
@fodigg:  It doesn't have to be instead they can do both. I don't see them having the relationship being so big that it takes over the books. I think it will be a much smaller part then you think. I don't even think it will be a perm relationship or only relationship they will have. Remember the big thing in they are trying to state is Superman is being single.
It's not just their romantic status that I'm concerned about, although that's part of it. In the last, still recent WW reboot they made Superman her inspiration for becoming a hero. That's terrible. 
 
@Gambit1024 said:
@MrUnknown: This: 
 
I am very fond of the DC: New Frontier WW costume.
#42 Posted by fodigg (6136 posts) - - Show Bio
@ScarlettLynn said:
@jointron33: Can you please clarify for me? What exactly is the change that we're supposed to be complaining about? Aside from pants vs. shorts vs. bathing suit... what in the solicits is there that is different from the Wonder Woman stories that we've known for years?
My understanding from the article is that she'll be in opposition to the greek pantheon and possibly hera/themyscira specifically, which would be very different from the usual origin. But the OP makes it clear that this is supposition and not confirmed.
#43 Edited by Dernman (15812 posts) - - Show Bio
@fodigg: I can agree that was dumb but that was a much younger and not the true full Wonder Woman. It was only  a small part of her.
It also didn't happen it Wonder Woman's book. It happened in superman's where i get the feeling they are just passing the time with no direction and  waiting for the reboot.
#44 Posted by Wandrecanada (6 posts) - - Show Bio

The problem with using mythology to describe Wonder Woman's origins is that the comic book folks generally get things really really wrong.  Hera hated Hercules due to his parentage (bastard Zeus child) while the girl made from clay known as Galatea had nothing to do at all with Hera.  Hera is the patron goddess of women, mothers and wives so her patronage of Themyscira seems like it would work well but Ares was the Amazon patron god so...  It's complicated.  
 
It just feels like they're trying to lessen the import of other strong female characters in the DC universe and after the whole SDCC 52 panel it smacks of more Didio wang supremacy agenda.

#45 Posted by ScarlettLynn (160 posts) - - Show Bio
@fodigg: @fodigg said:
@ScarlettLynn said:
@jointron33: Can you please clarify for me? What exactly is the change that we're supposed to be complaining about? Aside from pants vs. shorts vs. bathing suit... what in the solicits is there that is different from the Wonder Woman stories that we've known for years?
My understanding from the article is that she'll be in opposition to the greek pantheon and possibly hera/themyscira specifically, which would be very different from the usual origin. But the OP makes it clear that this is supposition and not confirmed.
Wonder Woman has always spent time in opposition to various members of the Greek pantheon, including, on occasion, Hera herself. She's fought gods and goddesses who have wanted to harm humanity or who just carelessly put humanity in the crossfire of their squables. They may be her gods but her relationship to them has always gone back and forth from ally to enemy based on their very changeable natures. None of this is new or different from the Wonder Woman we've known for years. None of this disregards who the character is or in any way would have to change her origins.
#46 Edited by Dernman (15812 posts) - - Show Bio

I just hope they write the greek pantheon better then they have in the past. Also make them feel more powerful Wonder Woman shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with a god nor should she be put in a position to. It should be their minions she fights. Also set a clear lvl of strength for the other amazons. Non should be in her league.

#47 Posted by gui22 (360 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe it will be like the All-star Batman and Robin version..

#48 Posted by AmishAvenger (138 posts) - - Show Bio

What's funny to me is, in the WW cover she has the "Granny Panties" but in the Justice league #1 cover she has pants. It seems DC can make-up their minds either.
#49 Posted by fodigg (6136 posts) - - Show Bio
@ScarlettLynn said:
@fodigg
Wonder Woman has always spent time in opposition to various members of the Greek pantheon, including, on occasion, Hera herself. She's fought gods and goddesses who have wanted to harm humanity or who just carelessly put humanity in the crossfire of their squables. They may be her gods but her relationship to them has always gone back and forth from ally to enemy based on their very changeable natures. None of this is new or different from the Wonder Woman we've known for years. None of this disregards who the character is or in any way would have to change her origins.
I'm just going by the article. Babs says: 
 
@Babs said: 

it sounds like Diana will be a very different character from the one we know her to be. The solicit for the first issue, which you'll be able to find at your local comic shop on September 21st, will showcase Wonder Woman as the protector of humanity from the Greek Gods.

The Gods walk among us. To them, our lives are playthings. Only one woman would dare to protect humanity from the wrath of such strange and powerful forces. But is she one of us - or one of them?

Interesting, considering she herself was created by "the Gods." We all know that story, right? Hippolyta wanted a child so she made Diana out of clay? Well, in addition to that origin, several of the Greek Goddesses bestowed upon Diana's soul "gifts" (characteristics) like beauty and strength. How much of this will remain consistent with the launch of the new DC universe?

The second issue, which will be going on sale October 19th is a bit more specific and mentions the Greek Goddess (and Zeus' wife) Hera, and her role in the conflict.

Hera, Queen of the Gods, does not take her vengeance lightly – and if Wonder Woman is so foolish as to stand in the way of her whim, then Wonder Woman is her enemy. But it’s Hera’s daughter Diana should truly fear – the goddess of discord is coming to Paradise Island, and murder always follows in her wake!

The thing about Hera is that she has always been on the side of the Amazons, and she's been a figure for Wonder Woman and her sisters to look up to. It was Hera that protected Themyscira from Zeus and from the world be shielding them from humanity, making the island invisible. Based on the solicit (above) for the second issue of Wonder Woman, it seems Diana will be protecting humanity and "our" world -- and that she might be disassociated from Themyscira. The solicit implies that Hera and the Greek Gods and Goddesses may become adversaries, posing a threat to Wonder Woman. At least for the first few issues.

#50 Posted by ScarlettLynn (160 posts) - - Show Bio
@fodigg: The article is wrong though. Hera hasn't always been on the side of the Amazons. Hera almost completely destroyed Themyscira before.  The goddess of discord, Eris, is Hera's daughter is certain myths and has been a Wonder Woman villain in the past. Ares is a Greek God and he's been a classic Wonder Woman adversary for forever. Wonder Woman has always gone through periods of time where she's been at odds with her pantheon or where they've flat out abandoned her or where she's been completely on their side.

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