why is wonder woman so underrated?

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#1 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

hi,i'm new and i hope to not make a mistake about where i put this.maybe you can explain me something,beacuse i don't understand why some people see wonder woman like she's nothing. i've been reading so many post where wonder woman is trated like she's useless and weak,specialy when there's a vs between her and a DBZ character,some people try to use PIS to make her look weak,or try to use her piercing weakness to say her durability is very low,when she really has big resistance to everything else. also her combat speed is very questioned when it shouldn't be,say that charcter like vegeta fight to fast for her is ridiculous,i mean wonder woman being hit by batman or deathstroke is PIS,wonder woman's reaction time was stated to be faster than a nano second,wonder woman blocks bullets even in her worst day of PIS and bullets are faster than batman and deathstroke's hits,and batman and deathstroke being able to hurt her is PIS too,beacuse she takes hits from cap marvel and even a bloodlusted superman,so it's impossible that batman or deathstroke can hurt her with punches and kicks,and i say it again,wonder woman's reaction time shouldnt be questioned,she blocks lightning that can reach half the speed of light and is faster than a bullet,superman's heat vision,darkside's omega beam,diana catched flash with the lasso when he couldn't stop,she has fought a bloodlusted flash more than once,don't say she can beat him if he uses more than just his speed,like stealing her speed,but the fact that she can fight flash when he uaes his speed being bloodlusted,it talks very well about her reaction time,she even manged to defeat zoom. wonder woman's bracelets create a force field that allowed her to block a full powered blast of greek pantheon,that are abstract level beings. so why so many people underestimate her?

#2 Posted by NX (307 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree wonder woman being hit by batman is Pis. wonder woman is more skilled fighter in my opinion. I think shes a better skilled fighter than supergirl,Just not as strong.

#3 Posted by super_psycho (2792 posts) - - Show Bio

I disgree!! just because supergirl is kryptonian doesn't mean she is stronger than wonder woman..

supergirl is a teenager and female kryptonian..

And no one takes jeph loeb seriously ...

#4 Posted by TheRedRobin (226 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think she's necescarily underrated I mean she is part of the trinity you can't really do better than that

#5 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

i know that,but many people think she's weak,that beacuse she has a weakness to piercing weapons,any body can hurt her,they think that she fights at normal speed,when the fact that she blocks bullets,lightning,superman's heat vision and even a bloodlusted flash,is proof that she has a very high level of reaction time,and that means she can really fight at super speed

#6 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

i know that,but some people think she's weak,that beacuse she has a weakness to piercing weapons,any body can hurt her,they think she fights at normal speed,when the fact that she blocks bullets,lightning,superman's heat vision and even a bloodlusted flash,ios proof that she has a very high level of reaction time,and that means she can fight at super speed,beacuse combat speed is about how fast you can react to the attacks

#7 Posted by TERMINATOR_WORSHIPPER (58 posts) - - Show Bio

wonder woman is not weak. shes a skilled fighter and sometimes thats what it's about. even though wonder woman is not as strong as superman shes still strong.

#8 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

She's been marketed badly. Honestly her new book is rocking and her new backstory makes her very easy to explain--female Hercules. If they push the new WW they could really make her work.

#9 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

How is it possible to be in the Trinity and be underrated?
 
She's not as big as Superman or Batman because there isn't(wasn't) a relatable aspect to her. The only way they could make a strong self-reliant woman was to have her be from a world where there's no men... ahhh I love poor writing!

#10 Posted by CurbsideProphet (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

I was thinking, isn't she part of the Holy Trinity. Think Flash is underrated, and Woder Woman is like, every time I see her, she's kicking someone's ass. Also, I saw this yesterday and fell in love with it.:

#11 Posted by Erik (32058 posts) - - Show Bio

She is only underrated by those who do not read her comics. 

#12 Posted by super_psycho (2792 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

She is only underrated by those who do not read her comics.

QFT

#13 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

i don't think that being from an island without men is poor writting,that's the concept of amazons,women that live their lives without men.but when i say wonder woman is underrated,i say it based on many posts where some people use PIS to make her look weak,like batman being able to hit her and even hurt her,or they use wonder woman's weakness to piercing weapons to say she has low durability,and actually she has a weakness to piercing weapons but she has a big resistance to everything else.

#14 Posted by star notes (243 posts) - - Show Bio

She's a WOMAN.

#15 Posted by Ragnarök (174 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik said:
She is only underrated by those who do not read her comics. 
#16 Posted by PowerHerc (82755 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think she is.

If anything she's slightly overrated.

#17 Posted by Duchess (5995 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman has held her own against the all mighty Superman, that's hardly underrated.

#18 Posted by moldybutt70 (87 posts) - - Show Bio

how is wonder woman underrated? she gets a ton of publicity and in my opinion, isnt even on par with superman as much as people think

her bracelets are also ridiculous. they only cover her wrists, yet somehow manage to block attacks with a large radius

#19 Posted by Twentyfive (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

All comic readers want to read is muscle-bound green men, or men in underwear and blankets throwing metal boomerangs at people.

#20 Posted by Selinaky (677 posts) - - Show Bio

WW is one of my favourites, I don't think she's as underrated as some others.

#21 Edited by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

I disagree

She has a lot going for her character.

- she has her own book

-the leader of ami-comi girl series

-in the the JL and made in appearance in Robot Chicken Recently.

-getting an Earth 1 Graphic Novel

-possibly getting her own T.V show

-major character in injustice gods:among us

She has been treated well and I don't think she's underrated.

#22 Edited by Wboy (442 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it's just that people don't know much about her and a combination of a bit of an odd background story pre-52. Superman's an alien from a dead planet, Batman's parents were killed, Wonder Woman was created from mystical clay and blessed by the olympian Gods. Oddity compared to them no? She's a household name but I mean can anyone outside of comics name one of her villains or where she actually fights? I don't even know and I'm a fan.

However I'm betting Man of Steel can change that with her cameo :D She's an opportunity that just hasn't been cracked yet. Males mostly read comics and yeah, her being a woman matters which would require a different approach for the average joe to appreciate her just as much as Superman.

#23 Posted by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

They don’t know the difference between sexist and feminist. They still have difficulty doing female characters. Dc doesn’t know how to do magic as an element. Instead they use is as plot device. They easily dismissed the previous Wonder Woman deeds by stating that they are duplicates without going deeper that. This belittles the previous Wonder Women and the current Wonder Woman. There are few good things they have done on Wonder Woman but they still have a lot to atone for.

#24 Posted by Manwhohaseverything (1874 posts) - - Show Bio

I think in the battle forums..she's both. I think it's from folks simply not reading her books. I've seen people swear up and down that she could be beat by Wolverine or Storm (Thanks fan voting for Marvel vs DC!) Hulk fan boys become silent when the speed factor is brought into play. (Sorry..Hulk doesn't touch WW if she doesn't want to be.) But then a few WW fans like to jump on the "She can beat Superman or MM or Thor" because she has a lot of skill. In the "real world" (non-comic followers) she's definitely under-rated. Folks think she's nothing but a girl with a rope. FWIW: The lasso is severely underrated!

#25 Posted by krspaceT (1466 posts) - - Show Bio

She has Lighting powers now for being the daughter of Zeus. Could that up the ante with her?

#26 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@Manwhohaseverything: i agreed with you,i think she needs to be treated well in comics,make her fight pewople that are worht her time,not people that are way outclassed by her and she should beat in her sleep,the same goes for her villans,don't make them look bad and weak outside her comic,inconsistences are a big prpblems for characters,it makes it harder for some people to take them seriously,and she also needs more promotion outside comics,videogames and movies,she needs more promotion like that.

as far as figthing superman and manhunter,i don't think she can beat them,but she can give them a very,very hard fight before going down,and i think she can beat thor in a very close fight,just because she is at least in the same level of strenght,and speed,but is faster in reaction speed than him and she seems to be a more versatil fighter,but win or lose,i'm sure that we agreed with something,they will never have an easy battle against her,she is much more than able to give them a run for their money.

#27 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@moywar700 said:

I disagree

She has a lot going for her character.

- she has her own book

-the leader of ami-comi girl series

-in the the JL and made in appearance in Robot Chicken Recently.

-getting an Earth 1 Graphic Novel

-possibly getting her own T.V show

-major character in injustice gods:among us

She has been treated well and I don't think she's underrated.

i think she needs to be treated well in comics,make her fight people that are in her league,not people that are way outclassed by her and she should beat in her sleep,the same goes for her villans,don't make them look bad and weak outside her comic,inconsistences are a big prpblems for characters,it makes it harder for some people to take them seriously,and she also needs more promotion outside comics,videogames and movies,she needs more promotion like that.

#28 Edited by drgnx (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

@moywar700 said:

I disagree

She has a lot going for her character.

- she has her own book

-the leader of ami-comi girl series

-in the the JL and made in appearance in Robot Chicken Recently.

-getting an Earth 1 Graphic Novel

-possibly getting her own T.V show

-major character in injustice gods:among us

She has been treated well and I don't think she's underrated.

She is not under-rated,She is one of the top 6 comic-book heroes in popularity, and is one of DC's most powerful Heroes. I think some people want to her to be overall stronger than she is, or to simply sell better. Making her stronger is not necessarily going to make her sell better, make her more interesting, or make her more popular. And if DC certain they could make her sell more by simply pushing her harder, they would have done so a while ago.

I will backtrack and point out that I can see a point with pushing her more: they could just do like they did with Superman and Batman and try until they get something right:

  • Superman returns, Smallville, etc, had their fan-base.
  • The only thing that really sucked for Batman were the last 2 movies in the initial run.
  • Both seemed to have successful anime runs and movies as well.
  • I think the WW movie was okay, so ... perhaps they could push more of those.

Take a look at this list.

http://ca.ign.com/top/comic-book-heroes/20

Of the top 20 in this list only Dream, Flash and Wonder Women have not appeared in a movie recently.

  • Dream is excusable - He really is a niche character, as opposed to mainstream and also part of a different universe/setting in many ways; his popularity is a testament to good writing, but might not be appreciated by non-comic fans.

Of the top 12 only Wonder Women and Flash and NightWing/Robin have not had their own movie,

  • Dick is excusable - he is often looked at as a side-kick and at least some form of Robin was shown/implied in both Batman movie series
  • WW is the only one of the top 7 not have her own movie (Flash being no. 8 and Dick being no. 11 on this list).
#29 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx: she is underrated when some people look at her as a push over,and call her enemies lame and weak.

that's why she needs to be written consistenly,it's not about making her more powerful,just writter wonder woman and her villans properly,and make them be what they are supposed to be,don't let them lose against weak opponents,inconsistencies aren't good for characters.

and she needs more promotion outside comics,just like you said,they need to push her more.

#30 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17797 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

I don't think she is.

If anything she's slightly overrated.

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#31 Posted by drgnx (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior said:

@drgnx: she is underrated when some people look at her as a push over,and call her enemies lame and weak.

that's why she needs to be written consistenly,it's not about making her more powerful,just writter wonder woman and her villans properly,and make them be what they are supposed to be,don't let them lose against weak opponents,inconsistencies aren't good for characters.

Everyone in comics suffers from inconsistencies, its going to happened when writers switch from project to project and you have crossovers. I mean DC could make a chart and say "X>Y", "X<Z", "A should be effective against B", but then their writers are going to complain about stiffling creativity.

You also say Wonder Women's foes are not where they are supposed to be, but that is opinionated, because it is up to DC's writers to decide this. Also, I think people would get put off more if any character was guaranteed to win against a certain opponent, I mean why bother reading if you know its 100% slam dunk. Since there is such inconsistency how can you guarantee the opponent is weak and should have lost? Also, I see people generally complain about character inconsistencies without considering circumstances, of the fight or even the reality/continuity the characters are in.

Would you rather Wonder Women is written consistently at, lets say, half Superman's Strength with all her main opponents matching that level? Do you think this would bring masses to Wonder Women? She would not be as strong, but it would be consistent.

#32 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx: you don't need to give all wonder woman opponents the same powers as her.

some of her opponents are powerful because they are gods,or magical being,or some of them have psychic powers,etc,the problem is when writters don't writte them properly and let them get owned by street level characters,that shouldn't be allowed.

you can have creativity,but there is a different between creativity and stupid plots.

if wonder woman is a warrior with god like strength and god like speed,then a human tagging her and hurting her with a punch is pure trash.

if cheetah is the avatar of a god with divine powers,then catwoman defeating her with a rock or a kick is just trash,not creative.

you can have a situation to give a character the advantage,but they didn't use creativity,they just made a street level character humiliate characters with god like powers.

they have to writte them as what they are supposed to be,so don't tell me that a human owning characters with god like powers as if they are nothing is creative,that's not creative,it's just stupid plot.

they can have freedom to writte,but they should respect the essential standards of ther characters,you can't have a human humiliating a god like warrior just like that and call it creative,that is lame and cheat,nothing good about that,it shouldn't be allowed to mess with the characters essential standards.

#33 Edited by drgnx (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior:

I've already acknowledged that she has inconsistencies, so I'm not sure why you're now giving me examples. On top of that, you're examples can be transposed onto other characters. Superman himself can be taken down by a "rock" and he has god-like powers. Alan Scott could be weakened by wood and wool, etc.

As for creativity vs PIS, it is really case by case, I may agree on some, but not others.

Also, its quite clear that you just don't like her or her enemies losing to certain people, which is fine, but this shows that you think she is underrated because she is not meeting your expectations, from at least a combat perspective.

You're making it sound like Wonder Women is alone on this, go talk to Thor fans about high and low showings, that should be a mega thread in the making.

#34 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx: i don't agree with inconsistecies for any character,but this is wonder woman's forum,that's why i'm only talking about her inconsistencies,i also i think that she has more inconsistencies than some other characters(like superman),which makes me think that her situation is worse.

but my point goes for every character,writters can have freedom and creativity,but without making inconsistencies,because they should follow the essential standards of the characters,we aren't talking about creativity,we're talking about inconsistencies,if you make her get tagged by a human and hurt her with a punch just like that,it's not creative,it's just bad writting,inconsistencies,and things like that aren't hard to avoid,because writters should have enough knowladge about what a character is supposed to be and not fall into contradictions,if writters follow the essential standards of the characters,then they can make good stories,crerative and interested without contradicting the characters potential and power levels,which is something that every comic character needs,it should be a rule for that.

#35 Edited by drgnx (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior:

Underrated to me, means that the character is rated lower than they should be against some kind of rating system, I just assumed you were rating her against your perception of other characters, if not, than I've been going off topic.

But your comment goes back to a modification of my original question.

Would you rather Wonder Women is written consistently at, lets say, half Superman's Strength with all her main opponents matching that level being adjusted accordingly? Do you think this would bring masses to Wonder Women? She would not be as strong, but it would be consistent.

Basically, if you want her at a consistent level, what level is that?

#36 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx: underrated because many people don't take her seriously,they think of her as a push over with a lasso and a invisible jet.

when i say that she and her villans must be written right,is that they have to writte them as what they are supposed to be.

you don't need numbers of power level,but they need to be coherent with the characters standars,if wonder woman has god like strength and god like speed,you can't show her having problems in a fight with batman or deathstroke,or a low level monster.

the same with her villans,if they are gods,or powerful magical beings,you can't show them being owned by catwoman and all that trash,those are the inconsistencies that i'm talking about,they should avoid inconsistencies,because it has nothing to do with creativity,you can writte a crerative story without contradicting and ruining the satandards and power level of the characters.

#37 Posted by drgnx (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: Are you talking on the forums or in general?

#38 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx: both,some comic readers and some people in general underestimate her.

by the way i think that we agree with what i meant with inconsistencies that shouldn't happen.

#39 Posted by Outside_85 (8565 posts) - - Show Bio

Think the only way you can consider Wonder Woman underrated is when you compare her to her male colleagues, especially Batman and Superman, where she is unfortunately not as well treated in the big picture. As count up all the outside of comics appearances on tv or in movies, then look at the roles throughout the major events of DC since Crisis and you get a pretty bleak picture.

#40 Posted by Wboy (442 posts) - - Show Bio

Her animated movie did well :D

#41 Posted by htb106 (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

Because, unfortunately, a lot of the comics world is sexist. I hope that changes one day.

#42 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@htb106: i hope that too,they treat her better than other females,but still,not enough.

#43 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@Outside_85: that's one of my points,they don't treat her as good as them.

and also is underrated because many people don't take her seriously,they think of her as a push over with a lasso and a invisible jet.

she and her villans must be written right,is that they have to writte them as what they are supposed to be.

they need to be coherent with the characters standars,if wonder woman has god like strength and god like speed,you can't show her having problems in a fight with batman or deathstroke,or a low level monster.

the same with her villans,if they are gods,or powerful magical beings,you can't show them being owned by catwoman and all that trash,those are the inconsistencies that i'm talking about,they should avoid inconsistencies,because it has nothing to do with creativity,you can writte a crerative story without contradicting and ruining the satandards and power level of the characters.

#44 Posted by WW-Fan (2738 posts) - - Show Bio

if anyone who thinks Wonder Woman isn't strong enough should read the Justice League issue 11! it's shows how strong she is when she gets angry

#45 Posted by TheGodofThunder (597 posts) - - Show Bio

because she doesnt wear pants hahaha

#46 Posted by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

It not that she is weak. It’s that she does not have much development and neither are her side characters and villains. She is not very interesting as writers fail to make her character that matters. I take it WW-Fan advising me to read Justice League issue 11 will make me change my mind.

I give Wonder Woman seniority as being the first super hero woman but so does Wendy have with at being the first female magic character in comics. after so many years a lot more is needed to fill and they have to be big.

#47 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hazlenaut: she is an interested character,but some writters don't develop her properly,they could a lot more.

#48 Posted by Goddessa (200 posts) - - Show Bio

Hi everyone, I'm new in Comic Vine but that doesn't mean I'm new to threads. The last time I actually participated in threads where back in the late 90's.

I've been a WW supporter since I first saw her in the late 70's TV show when I was a child and started reading and collecting her comic books on and off since. I just ordered the hard bound compilation of DC New 52 so I'll get an idea of what DC has done to my super heroine now. I have been following her adventure since the Silver Age, Crisis, Perez era, Loebs, and all the other writers who took over. Her taking over the JLA when Superman died, till reboot, even up until she snapped Maxwell Lord's neck. I do believe she is one of the most powerful warrior in all of comicdom. Her levels are somewhat inconsistent because of different writers perception of her, and some seriously doesn't know her too well. I am still waiting for the day DC would give her her long overdue solo film. I started waiting just after Christopher Reeves took over Superman in 1978, imagine that!

Anyways since comicdom is dominated by males,it's safe to conclude that Wonder Woman won't be in the same league as Superman, Batman, Spiderman, and Wolverine in terms of acceptance, priority, and sales. But she has always been in the top 10, ranking as high as 5 in popularity, hero ratings, and merchandise. She's was and still the best female representative for the other half of the superhero fan-verse. It is so good to see after all these years, and new generations of readers and fans later, Wonder Woman still has her clout and strong fan base. After more than 40 years of following her adventures she's still ROCKING!!!

#49 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@Goddessa: sometimes inconsistencies happen because the writter is to lazy,or because the writter don't know the capabilities of the character that he is writting,lobes is an example of that.

#50 Posted by Goddessa (200 posts) - - Show Bio

Loebs is WW's Dark Ages! Hahaha

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