Why Can't Wonder Woman Have a New Costume?

#201 Posted by huser (97 posts) - - Show Bio

@FoxxFireArt said:

The fault I believe lies in two places. Both in the publisher and the readers.

Lets face it, humans tend to get bored with the same old thing all the time. If we're just seeing the same thing day in and out. It can be nice to see a sudden change. But anyone who has dealt with groups of people also knows that they are fickle as $%!@. They demand change, but then soon want back what they originally had.

Readers are also partly to blame for why nothing ever changes. It's because the readers wont allow things to change. Look at Superman. He's a broken and seriously overpowered character. You have to go to ridiculous lengths just to make a villain that's a credible threat. And once defeated, how to you then top that for the next story? Though, if you dare touch Superman's powers. The readers cry blasphemy. Many agree that he's too powerful, then wont accept any change. It's the reader fighting the idea of fixing what they know is broken. They cling to the past like a cat in water.

It's also the publisher's fault for feeding these tantrums. They are in a near constant state of change for the sake of change and not story. Then just as people are adjusting to change, the publisher changes everything back to the way it started. It always gives the impression to readers that change is pointless, because it's just going to be put back soon. Look also at the way DC published WONDER WOMAN, Remember in her last series where the comic was in the 30s then suddenly jumped to 600. That's a prime example. Who was that for?

It also doesn't help that when anyone tries to redesign costumes they go in utterly stupid directions. I didn't have a problem with the Wonder Woman pants costume. I had a problem with that ridiculous rolled up leather jacket. Someone needs to tell Jim Lee that went out in the 90s. Then we have the TV show costume that looked like a porno parody.

I personally like it when Wonder Woman's costume has themes of Greek design. It doesn't have to look like it's out of ancient Greece, but it could be based on something from the mythology.

The more reasonable thing to do is to have different designs for Wonder Woman that depend on the environment she's traveling to but has the same basic themes. If she's going somewhere cold, give her more coverage. When it's warmer, lean more toward tradition. Any reasonable warrior is going to know that you dress to your surroundings.

I agree with almost everything here other than Superman needing to be depowered for better storytelling. Would it help? Yes probably, but it's the same thing I thought when on the last Live Show a guest mentioned the impossibility of Trek doing another 100 year jump because they'd basically be gods eliminating any drama.

"Up your game son." If the Klingons and Romulans aren't cutting it (and hey Gene thought as much back in the 1st season of TNG a sentiment I agree with), stop trotting them out and find something new to challenge your intrepid heroes.

Toyman and Silver Banshee aren't cutting it? Then stop trying to send them out against the Man of Steel. Bring on some real threats. If that means 24/7 surveillance of Metropolis has to stop and Luthor will be free to work for months on end on his various schemes and innocent people die as Superman is saving some people elsewhere so much the better to challenge Superman with obstacles his prodigious powers cannot directly overcome.

#202 Posted by ilovesupergirl (2 posts) - - Show Bio

First off Schroeder explained that Superman's and Batman's costumes and looks have changed since their original conception, and that Wonder Woman has not changed at all. Is Schroeder making a joke? To entertain Schroeder's suggestion to take a look back at Bats and Supes look I did not see a lot of differences. The only differences that I have seen in terms of Supes and Bats look is that they have been dramatically bulked like a Greek God, and their logos have changed and their "speedos" have gotten slightly more butt and penis conforming (lol). In terms of WW she was wearing shorts in terms of original conception. Her logo has slightly changed like the other two members of the DC trinity, and her "bottoms" have as well become crotch conforming, like Supes and Bats speedos. She has as well become more muscular defined like Supes and Bats. As I said there has not been much in terms of dramatic change with all members of the DC Trinity.

HOWEVER!!! I agree with Schroeder's understanding of the argument whether or not to change WWs look. I argue that it is harmless to change WWs onezy swimsuit to something more rocking. I also thought about Schroeder's examination of WWs story. I do agree that Supes and Bats have a FAR better back story. And they also have FAR better villains like Joker, Riddler, Mr. Freeze, Scarecrow, Luther, Darkseid, Doomesday, and etc. And they are FAR scarier villains than anything that WW could produce. Unfortunately WW is by FAR the most neglected of the DC Trinity. WW was conceived in a period of America's history where women were still expected to be behind the kitchen sink, NOT saving Themyscira from evil Greek Gods/ess. As a result of this WW never got a proper story.

David E. Kelley failing at WW is not his fault, rather it is his fault that he is not Joss Whedon. Whedon created the MOST successful female Superhero of all time in Buffy Anne Summers. I PASSIONATELY argue that WW can successfully achieve a proper overhaul only with the skill and experience of Joss Whedon. WW will NOT succeed on the bid screen or on TV without Joss Whedon. Whedon is a major feminist and he has Buffy. David E. Kelley has NONE of the skill Joss Whedon has, and no one else does for that matter. Joss Whedon + Wonder Woman = SUCCESS, plain and simple.

#203 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Wonder Woman isn't anywhere as well defined or iconic as Batman or Superman a minor costume change messes with her status far more.

#204 Posted by Sophisticated_Savage20 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

@wowylied: I agree! They need to quit hatin' no her!

#205 Posted by Blindside002 (226 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I think she should definitely be able to change her costume, its just that the one she had got before the new 52 was extremely stupid looking because apparently people can't redesign iconic female characters correctly.

Also, that costume of Carol is NOT a good modern redesign, it looks absolutely hideous. I don't necessarily mind how parts of the costume look, but it looks like they are trying too hard to make her look like a guy in some weird attempt to appeal to the crowd of comic fans who only buy comics with male heroes. Her hair is definitely the worst part of her entire outfit, she has been known for the longest time for her long blonde hair, and now she looks like some attempted stereotype hardcore lesbian and her costume is too conservative, as is with all these new character redesigns for female characters.

#206 Edited by ALdragon17 (126 posts) - - Show Bio

I never could understand about most men and their ideas about females. I like them to be strong and not the princess types. Yeah, its hard to push females in comics without using sex, that's how life is. Most men would like a strong women and not the skinny type. Most men have a problem with women having bigger biceps than do, I says work out and stop having those hater thoughts, not every men wants a skinny women for a date. mahahahahah :)

#207 Posted by TAneT62 (1057 posts) - - Show Bio

If a WW film does come into the makings, then of course they'd have to stick with the original costume, it's what people expect to see WW in, her iconic costume. If they change her costume poeple wont recognise the WW they all grew up with ... My sister's and friends know who WW is, they havn't read a comic in ther life and yet they who WW is, because she's that well known. She's the biggest female icon in comics, there's not one female superhero who comes close to being in WW's icon level. Not one.

There's nothing wrong with the costume, just fussy idots who thinks it's to sexual. Stuff all them fussy people. Without her Iconic costume, i just dont see a proper, great, WW film. It'll be total sh!t.

So there, there's nothing wrong with her costume ... Just make sure the costume doesn't look so plastic .. like in the pilot 2011 that failed miserably "/

#208 Posted by lykopis (10756 posts) - - Show Bio

@Beanlove said:

After reading this article, I can’t help but feel that Wonder Woman’s character has been flawed from her creation. Diana is presented as a woman first, and a superhero second. Think how many strong female characters do you know are not defined by their gender? Take Storm from the X-men. What is the first word you think of when think of Storm? Goddess? Weather Witch? Both these terms refer to her gender. How about Princess Leia? The general population always calls her by this name. There referring to her gender (and rank). Only total nerds like me tend to call Leia by just her first name.

Now, let’s look in the total opposite direction. When you think of Wolverine, what words do you think of? Skint Skint? Bub? Now with an old school character, what words come to mind when you think of Sherlock Holmes? Super Sleuth? Pipe and Violin? Neurotically intelligent? These words define the actions, personality of the character. Not once do you see the character as male first.

I won’t prattle on how socially women have to struggle to be treated as equals, glass ceiling stuff. That debate would go on for hours. However, I challenge fiction writers everywhere to create female heroes as simply that, heroes. Take the gender out of it, and see what you come up with. Only then you will get iconic, time spanning character that everyone obsesses over and also happens to be a chick.

Nice. :)

#209 Posted by justice teen (438 posts) - - Show Bio

the answer people don't know how to handle wonder woman. Why? I don't know, but if they did she would have a show, a movie, more comics, and her sister both wonder girls would have the spot light with robin and super girl. Some said sex sells, that's true, but her costume with pants was sexy with style. personally i find amazonian battle armor sexy, stylish, and protective. then again it could be that DC doesn't give the writers that candle wonder woman the job, instead they put them on batman or superman

#210 Posted by joshuagamer (634 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting story

#211 Posted by DonJack (15 posts) - - Show Bio

definitely, this article must be a joke

#212 Edited by lorex (945 posts) - - Show Bio

The problem with Wonder Woman getting a costume update is too many people identify her being a symbol of strength and power in the womens movement and to change anythinig is attacking their symbol. Never mind the face that most of those people do not read comics and probable never will. DC is stuck in a way between what is expected and what is needed. Also the problem with more recient redesigns is that they have sucked. Superman and Batman have had gradual changed to their looks over the years while maintaining core aspects. Even with the 'New 52' despite the fact that they look different you have no difficulty identifying the character. Something like this I think would be more effective than the traditional suimsuit look.  I know somwonw posted this earlier but I have seen this image kicking around for some time.   


 
She is not covered up or really showing much less skin but with the right artist I think this could work as opposed th the same old same old. Also with Wonder Woman another part of the problem in my opinion is that the flag is part of her established look. Unlike Supes or Bats where artists just have to follow a general look and color scheme(yes it does have to look like them), with Wonder Woman there is additional pressure to resist change with the flag there. I think this is one thing that is part of her costume that needs to go. Yes its patroitic and all but it in an age where comics seem to want to portray more realism, having a woman wrapped in the US flag seems a bit silly. 
#213 Posted by Selvokaz (200 posts) - - Show Bio

I still think the pants looked great on her in a more stylized way.

#214 Edited by ngroove (321 posts) - - Show Bio

@lorex said:

The problem with Wonder Woman getting a costume update is too many people identify her being a symbol of strength and power in the womens movement and to change anythinig is attacking their symbol. Never mind the face that most of those people do not read comics and probable never will. DC is stuck in a way between what is expected and what is needed. Also the problem with more recient redesigns is that they have sucked. Superman and Batman have had gradual changed to their looks over the years while maintaining core aspects. Even with the 'New 52' despite the fact that they look different you have no difficulty identifying the character. Something like this I think would be more effective than the traditional suimsuit look. I know somwonw posted this earlier but I have seen this image kicking around for some time.

She is not covered up or really showing much less skin but with the right artist I think this could work as opposed th the same old same old. Also with Wonder Woman another part of the problem in my opinion is that
the flag is part of her established look. Unlike Supes or Bats where
artists just have to follow a general look and color scheme(yes it does have to look like them), with Wonder
Woman there is additional pressure to resist change with the flag
there. I think this is one thing that is part of her costume that needs to go. Yes its patroitic and all but it in an age where comics seem to want to portray more realism, having a woman wrapped in the US flag seems a bit silly.

Acceptable, only as an alternate costume, perhaps at the most every-other-storyarc, between her traditional suit, to please the "skirt" people, and the people, such as myself, who still loves her in her beautifiully SEXY star-spangled swimsuit bottoms!

And about the level of skin exposure; I'm not complaining, but will if more is covered up.

#215 Posted by PowerHerc (81527 posts) - - Show Bio

@DonJack said:

definitely, this article must be a joke

100% agreement.

#216 Posted by jnw93 (105 posts) - - Show Bio

If its a great costume you cant complain, they should change it up abit.

#217 Posted by Ludo (57 posts) - - Show Bio

One arc that defines her character?

Hell, Wonder Woman character just evolved throught the years. In the Perez run she was a little naive about the world and her own villains. I remember when she beat Cheetah for the first time, she was scared to being too hard on her. Then, in the Gail Simone run, she threatened the Cheetah to cut off her tail.

In the middle of the years Wonder Woman had been through many quest and fights. Think about "The Contest", when she met Artemis and lost the title of Wonder Woman, or the Byrne run, in which she was killed by Neron, and resurrected by the Gods.

Diana is simply grown up, from the peaceful ambassador of the Amazon she's become a character who knows the world and the people who live on it. Dont try to tell me she didn't had great writers, what about Perez, Messner, Byrne, Simone? The reason she isn't taken seriously by much people is because for how she dress. Personally, i don't care, until she remain the same.

#218 Posted by Ludo (57 posts) - - Show Bio

Forgive my english. I know it's terrible.

#219 Posted by madhattervx (17 posts) - - Show Bio

@Alch21: The new Aquaman kicks ass.

#220 Posted by madhattervx (17 posts) - - Show Bio

@jcbart: I completely agree.

#221 Edited by Protoon (99 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the degree to which Batman and Superman's costumes have changed is exaggerated here: I would have said they are both still basically the original designs.

Also, I don't think it's fair to claim that her fan-service swimsuit is all Wonder Woman has going for her. It might be that she hasn't had a character-defining, great piece of work like The Dark Knight Returns or Batman: Year One. I'm sure many people would argue that The Hiketeia fits the bill; I can't comment because I haven't read it, but I would say that the Post-Crisis relaunch by George Perez (Gods and Mortals), which I have read, is great. However, regardless of that, Batman is surely in a league of his own. Is there a TDKR for Aquaman? Or even Spider-Man? That Wonder Woman may not have starred in something which is oten talked about as the greatest comic book of all time does not make her a bad character. Spider-Man is a great character, and so is she.

Her swimsuit is arguably somewhat problematic; I'd say roughtly that it makes sense for her to wear it in the Paradise Island/ mythological/ ancient setting that she comes from. I have tried to justify Diana's attire to myself by a comparison to the heroes from old sword and sandals movies, like the original Clash of the Titans.

Watching the extra features on the Wonder Woman animated film DVD, I got the impression that a lot of people feel that her femininity is fundamentally important to the character: this is a beautiful princess who wears jewellery. Now, please tell me if I'm being crude, dumb, offensive or whatever, and I'm male so quite likely to be when discussing feminism etc, but I feel like her costume is a part of that. IN GENERAL I don't think female superheroes should wear swimsuits, but Wonder Woman is a very special case.

I'm not sure i've explained myself to any degree at all, but for the reasons I've tried to give, I would keep her old costume.

Having said all that, if there was a great new design that moved away from the swimsuit but still felt like "her", then a new costume would be great too.

Thanks for a very interesting article. :-)

#222 Posted by UsagiTsukino (246 posts) - - Show Bio

wonder wonder is about sexuality equal. SHe is okay with the way she looks. There is no chance. It's what she stand for. She is okay with her our body. She doesn't kind. She can still kick people ass. Again wonder is also about sexuality equal. That also mean how you view your body. She is okay with her body.

#223 Edited by Ubermensch (18 posts) - - Show Bio

@Corey 'Undeadpool' Schroeder Okay I don`t know what makes you or Red Letter Media think your some kind of authority on what makes Indiana Jones such the beloved character that he is. People aren`t all as shallow as you make them out to be. As Tom Cruise as Maverick in Top Gun helped increase Air Force recruitment by 500% many people became archeologist because of Indy. What makes Dr. Jones so cool is that not only is he a badass adventurer -- he`s also a college professor. Unlike Lara Croft whose just a Trust Fund Baby living a life of leisure and an action junkie. There would be no Lara Croft or Drake`s Fortune without Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones is strong, handsome and educated. He has a very Eventful life: Pretty College girls who have a crush on him and dangerous, sexy Fem Fatals in his other line of work. What more could you ask for :)

I still think Daniel Craig should be the one to reboot the franchise. For the record though; I like Lara Croft alot. I still don`t know why they haven`t made another live-action movie with her yet. If Angelina Jolie doesn`t reprise her role, then it sould be Jennifer Garner.

By the way. That "Reasonable Evolution" pic looks like a Butch lesbian :p Lynda Carter will always be Wonder Woman in my eyes. She was beautiful, graceful, powerful, and kind. Comics are a visual medium and Diana is built like a Track & Field star. She`s a warrior/super athlete. Look at sports footage of modern day female trak stars or volleyball players -- short shorts, showing alot of leg is common place. I borrowed the graphic novel Wonder Woman: Odyssey from the library and I haven`t read it yet. Mostly... cause I don`t like the way she looks in it. I don`t like that get-up she`s wearing. Stars (Celebrities) stand out they don`t blend into the background.

When Seigal & Shuster recreated Superman. They thought a great deal about not only who he was and what he could do, but also how he looked. They wanted his look to catch your eye. To make you stop and stare. They drew inspiration from athletic circus performers.Gave him a red cape and a symbol and a star was born. His colorful costume paved the way for more costumed heroes. Visually what makes WW stand out is that she is a woman in a male dominated profession and like Superman she doesn`t wear a mask, but she shows more skin.

Personally, I think Supergirl`s outfit has always been more provocative than WW. Kara flies wearing a damn skirt. Unlike Ann Hathaway she probably never forgets to wear panties ;)

#224 Posted by Transcendence (103 posts) - - Show Bio

She's fine the way she is.

#225 Posted by MPfly88 (117 posts) - - Show Bio

Fine the way she is.

#226 Posted by Muffin_Sangria (504 posts) - - Show Bio

@Corey 'Undeadpool' Schroeder Okay I don`t know what makes you or Red Letter Media think your some kind of authority on what makes Indiana Jones such the beloved character that he is. People aren`t all as shallow as you make them out to be. As Tom Cruise as Maverick in Top Gun helped increase Air Force recruitment by 500% many people became archeologist because of Indy. What makes Dr. Jones so cool is that not only is he a badass adventurer -- he`s also a college professor. Unlike Lara Croft whose just a Trust Fund Baby living a life of leisure and an action junkie. There would be no Lara Croft or Drake`s Fortune without Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones is strong, handsome and educated. He has a very Eventful life: Pretty College girls who have a crush on him and dangerous, sexy Fem Fatals in his other line of work. What more could you ask for :)

I still think Daniel Craig should be the one to reboot the franchise. For the record though; I like Lara Croft alot. I still don`t know why they haven`t made another live-action movie with her yet. If Angelina Jolie doesn`t reprise her role, then it sould be Jennifer Garner.

By the way. That "Reasonable Evolution" pic looks like a Butch lesbian :p Lynda Carter will always be Wonder Woman in my eyes. She was beautiful, graceful, powerful, and kind. Comics are a visual medium and Diana is built like a Track & Field star. She`s a warrior/super athlete. Look at sports footage of modern day female trak stars or volleyball players -- short shorts, showing alot of leg is common place. I borrowed the graphic novel Wonder Woman: Odyssey from the library and I haven`t read it yet. Mostly... cause I don`t like the way she looks in it. I don`t like that get-up she`s wearing. Stars (Celebrities) stand out they don`t blend into the background.

When Seigal & Shuster recreated Superman. They thought a great deal about not only who he was and what he could do, but also how he looked. They wanted his look to catch your eye. To make you stop and stare. They drew inspiration from athletic circus performers.Gave him a red cape and a symbol and a star was born. His colorful costume paved the way for more costumed heroes. Visually what makes WW stand out is that she is a woman in a male dominated profession and like Superman she doesn`t wear a mask, but she shows more skin.

Personally, I think Supergirl`s outfit has always been more provocative than WW. Kara flies wearing a damn skirt. Unlike Ann Hathaway she probably never forgets to wear panties ;)

I think that's I like her having some leggings underneath when she has a battleskirt.

#227 Posted by DianaXKal (120 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone is afraid of sexuality. I hate the pants, skirt, and whatever other designs that aren't her swimsuit. She's perfection, and she should definitely be able to show it off.

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#228 Posted by Justthatkid (2632 posts) - - Show Bio

@dianaxkal: She's also connected to Greek Mythology and a warrior, a battle skirt would make complete sense. The swimsuit always felt impractical. If they want to show off her body she could always wear a skirt that showed some leg, but she should look like a warrior first before a model.

#229 Posted by DianaXKal (120 posts) - - Show Bio

@justthatkid: I was posting my opinion. I'm not going to debate the subject.

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#230 Posted by Justthatkid (2632 posts) - - Show Bio

@dianaxkal: Lol, just sharing my thoughts on your post.

#231 Posted by ArchiZoom (995 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone is afraid of sexuality. I hate the pants, skirt, and whatever other designs that aren't her swimsuit. She's perfection, and she should definitely be able to show it off.

Sure since "showing off her perfect physique" takes precedence over protecting it. For me Wonder Woman should wear the gorgeous armor that Chiang designed, with the helmet she wore in New Frontier, or something else along those lines

#232 Edited by ArchiZoom (995 posts) - - Show Bio

@dianaxkal: She's also connected to Greek Mythology and a warrior, a battle skirt would make complete sense. The swimsuit always felt impractical. If they want to show off her body she could always wear a skirt that showed some leg, but she should look like a warrior first before a model.

Agreed, this without the arm piece.

#233 Posted by DianaXKal (120 posts) - - Show Bio

@dianaxkal said:

Everyone is afraid of sexuality. I hate the pants, skirt, and whatever other designs that aren't her swimsuit. She's perfection, and she should definitely be able to show it off.

Sure since "showing off her perfect physique" takes precedence over protecting it. For me Wonder Woman should wear the gorgeous armor that Chiang designed, with the helmet she wore in New Frontier, or something else along those lines

Because you intentionally overlooked this:

"I was posting my opinion. I'm not going to debate the subject."

Stop trying to pick a fight.

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#234 Edited by ArchiZoom (995 posts) - - Show Bio

@dianaxkal: I'm not, I commented on your comment. Don't reply to it then we won't have a debate.

#235 Edited by Malachi_Munroe (910 posts) - - Show Bio

i love her costumes, but i think i prefer the pants more(?)

#236 Posted by Justthatkid (2632 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizoom: I like it, keeps the classic colors. Her hair is tied back so it doesn't get in her face in battle. With minor tweaks if like it looks more of a sparring outfit though.

#237 Posted by ArchiZoom (995 posts) - - Show Bio

@justthatkid: I don't know, if anything it may look bizarre seeing Wonder Woman fly in this. I don't mind the swimsuit so terribly, when Chiang draws Wonder Woman. When someone else does It looks rubbish. Siqueira did a decent job but her top sat dangerously low and the heels were too high which threw the whole thing off. She needs to look tall and buff to pull off this look imo

#238 Posted by Madflavor (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Because she's perfect the way she is and doesn't need a bunch of men telling her to put pants on.

Everyone is afraid of sexuality. I hate the pants, skirt, and whatever other designs that aren't her swimsuit. She's perfection, and she should definitely be able to show it off.

This. There's something misogynistic (whether it's intentional or not) about a bunch of people telling her to cover her skin. Yes there are extreme cases of female superheroes in skimpy outfits, but this is Wonder Woman. It's very in character for her to wear her classic outfit into battle. She's confident about her body and feels empowered by it. The female figure is a beautiful thing and it's not shameful to show off her legs. The real issue is our culture is pretty sexual repressed and awkward, that a lot of people can't get over it. If Wonder Woman was a real person, would anyone ever have the balls to tell her to put pants on? If they did she'd probably laugh at them.

Let's just acknowledge that DC attempted to put pants on her once not too long ago and it didn't go over well. They tried it pre-flashpoint and then were considering it for her Nu52 reboot. In the end they chose to stick with the more classic approach. The fact that they made two attempts in the past 5 years and then reverted back to classic, tells me that DC believes it'd be better for her character and the business for her to retain her classic look. Whether it's for "sex sells" reasons or not. Not to mention even when she did where pants, they were still sexualized because they were pretty tight. So at that point it's pretty much the same thing, except it's the difference between a shade of black or a shade of skin color.

#239 Edited by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (715 posts) - - Show Bio

@donjack said:

definitely, this article must be a joke

That's crazy, Wonder Woman's costume has actually changed the most, out of the three. She doesn't need a new costume, because she already has one.

#240 Edited by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (715 posts) - - Show Bio

@dianaxkal said:

Everyone is afraid of sexuality. I hate the pants, skirt, and whatever other designs that aren't her swimsuit. She's perfection, and she should definitely be able to show it off.

Sure since "showing off her perfect physique" takes precedence over protecting it. For me Wonder Woman should wear the gorgeous armor that Chiang designed, with the helmet she wore in New Frontier, or something else along those lines

Gorgeous? Do you have cataracts? That armor is ugly as hell. Any armor she's ever worn would look better than that.

#241 Edited by ArchiZoom (995 posts) - - Show Bio

@scorpio_cassadine: No but I have a degree in graphic and industrial design and a good eye for detail. None of those looks particularly beautiful, especially the bird armor with those big chunky wings that are useless.

#242 Posted by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (715 posts) - - Show Bio

The wings provide extra shielding, as well as complete the eagle motif. The helmet wouldn't make sense without them.

Chiang's design is overly busy, it has too many colors and too many textures. It's just endlessly tacky for no reason.

#243 Posted by kasino (1473 posts) - - Show Bio

idk man fighting in a bra and panties is what a woman would do

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#244 Posted by ArchiZoom (995 posts) - - Show Bio

@scorpio_cassadine: Is this because I set a picture of Wonder Woman wearing Chiang's armor as my avatar lol I think she looks stupendous and I'm a natural proponent of Mies Van der Rohe's less is more design aesthetic so It doesn't look busy to me. Those wings on the other hand are not very elegant and the eagle's head they put between her boobs always has and always will drive me nuts, I wish everyone sticked to the double W. I can't make out why these men with no flair for fashion feel like they can just change Grandmaster Chiang's designs

#245 Edited by Netshyster (242 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizoom said:
@dianaxkal said:

Everyone is afraid of sexuality. I hate the pants, skirt, and whatever other designs that aren't her swimsuit. She's perfection, and she should definitely be able to show it off.

Sure since "showing off her perfect physique" takes precedence over protecting it. For me Wonder Woman should wear the gorgeous armor that Chiang designed, with the helmet she wore in New Frontier, or something else along those lines

Gorgeous? Do you have cataracts? That armor is ugly as hell. Any armor she's ever worn would look better than that.

Good lord, you have no taste whatsoever. You must be trolling.

#246 Posted by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (715 posts) - - Show Bio

@scorpio_cassadine: Is this because I set a picture of Wonder Woman wearing Chiang's armor as my avatar lol I think she looks stupendous and I'm a natural proponent of Mies Van der Rohe's less is more design aesthetic so It doesn't look busy to me. Those wings on the other hand are not very elegant and the eagle's head they put between her boobs always has and always will drive me nuts, I wish everyone sticked to the double W. I can't make out why these men with no flair for fashion feel like they can just change Grandmaster Chiang's designs

LOL @ "Grandmaster Chiang" Jesus save me from hyperbole.

If you think the star on her belt that matches her tiara isn't redundant and looks good you need to get tested for glaucoma. And that skirt belongs on a 1930's Coney Island shake dancer.

#247 Posted by The Stegman (23013 posts) - - Show Bio

I just want her to have a Greek battle skirt or something, it would look better than the bikini shorts.

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#248 Posted by Netshyster (242 posts) - - Show Bio

I just want her to have a Greek battle skirt or something, it would look better than the bikini shorts.

There's nothing wrong with her costume. I don't see why folks are complaining.

#249 Edited by Justthatkid (2632 posts) - - Show Bio

@netshyster: I find it weird cause I don't see why a warrior would go around fighting in a bathing suit.

@the_stegman: @archizoom: Have you seen the Brett Booth designs, I'd love something similar.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/40/3262391-wwgorgon.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fWDKVPO-iyg/U8FfnUaaTjI/AAAAAAAADao/4cWeVLexKfU/s1600/WonderWomanCyclops.jpg

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#250 Posted by Netshyster (242 posts) - - Show Bio

@netshyster: I find it weird cause I don't see why a warrior would go around fighting in a bathing suit.

@the_stegman: @archizoom: Have you seen the Brett Booth designs, I'd love something similar.

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The exact same outfit with a skirt instead so I'm not seeing your point.

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