Thoughts on a Wonder Woman series

Posted by Neuron (109 posts) - - Show Bio

In response to: http://www.comicvine.com/news/what-are-the-ingredients-for-a-good-wonder-woman-television-series/145927/

If we're going to argue that her origin is hard to relate to (I don't think it is any more than being the last survivor of a dead planet, but okay), then Wonder Woman, while being the protagonist, maybe shouldn't be the main viewpoint character. A human character with a human background would probably serve better to have the story focus on, possibly a Cassie Sandsmark type who has no powers and is (as far as she knows) human. Make her interesting, use her as a foil for Diana and compare/contrast their views on being a strong woman and how they handle associated scenarios. As examples, I'm thinking of Angel or Buffy as shows. Angel and Buffy are outside normal experience, but you have tough, capable supporting characters who provide needed support and focus for those protagonists. As for explaining her origin, it could be revealed slowly and subtly, in pieces. Add mystery. Maybe have her say it to a character and pose it as a joke or a lie, but it's eventually revealed to be true. Maybe she herself doesn't know the reality of it, a twist used in the New 52 series. A mystery like that would keep things very interesting.

As for costume design, I'd go with something that echoes the comics but looks practical. Even more practical than Green Arrow in Arrow, if possible. Rahzahh's design is great, though I would go with long hair, which seems more iconic. Make it look durable, the exact opposite of Palicki's suit.

Tone? I would like something like Arrow but with more mystery and real humor. I'm thinking Buffy again. Even something like Lost, which was suspenseful, highly mysterious, exotic, but laced with emotion and humor. Create a team of supporting characters than make sense and use them to reflect all of the aspects of Diana's character. Keep it present day for maximum believability, possibly the very moment she leaves Paradise Island. A love story could make sense but should not be the focus of the overarching story; I can see a triangle with Steve Trevor (human) and a fellow super-powered person being interesting.

Budget. This is the real problem. Diana may need to start out de-powered, or at least not be able to fly. I don't think a flying hero will work on TV just yet, for budgetary and believablilty reasons. Strength, bracelets, lasso, maybe some other abilities created just for television. Maybe she could earn a piece of her suit every season, much like Clark discovering a new power every season. Her classic cast of Hippolyta/Ares/Artemis, etc. should be included, but maybe appear as their New 52 versions: human-like in appearance and behavior, yet exotic and strange.

It can be done. It just needs a unique take on being a superhero, which the Kelley pilot didn't have at all.

#1 Posted by Press Oblivion (1643 posts) - - Show Bio

It can be done. I don't think that it has anything to do with relatability, that's just a lame excuse that people come up with because their imaginations are limited.

As I stated in that original thread, They should just film Wonder Woman #1 from start to finish and everyone with relate to her and love her.

#2 Edited by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree about using Buffy as a model for a Diana Prince tv show. Just have Diana Prince (no costume needed) fight mythology characters (disguised as humans) every week similar to Grimm. In high school, Diana learns that her seemingly normal mother is actually an amazon and her missing father is actually Zeus. Amazons are all also disguised as humans and can have some powers like enhanced strength to make the amazons more interesting. Title of tv show can be : Diana Prince. Can also be done like Percy Jackson movie. Maybe Diana Prince can also fight a Maenad which was used in the tv show True Blood.

#3 Posted by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

Dear god I hope I am not hearing this crap. You stupid sonsabitches complain about inaccuracy, but want this shit?

#4 Posted by kapitein_zeppos (341 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think that Shakespeare, Dickens, Tolkien, Dostojevski, Kafka, Asimov or Neruda ever sat down and wondered how they could make their characters more relatable or whether it was sufficiently dark and gritty. They just wrote good stories and what is good stands out, appeals to people and becomes a classic. If all you do is go from the dark and gritty meeting to the relatability meeting to the marketing meeting and back again and write your story on a cigarette package at 5AM, it can undoubtedly sell, but nobody is going to remember it fondly a decade or more from now ... People need less marketing and more storytelling.

#5 Posted by Neuron (109 posts) - - Show Bio

I tend to agree, any character can be made relatable, if they have problems and conflicts that are recognizable. I was just tossing a couple ideas out there in favor of an ensemble cast, which might actually bring out Diana's unique characteristics a bit more. Great writing is essential to making any quality show, but it will take the right pitch in order to secure that kind of writing for a show of this type. And I don't see anyone complaining about inaccuracy. I don't really believe in "accuracy" when it comes to comic stories, anyway, since there are always many interpretations of the same character.

#6 Posted by lilben42 (2527 posts) - - Show Bio

@Neuron: Relatibility is so stupid. Its so cliche too. No one watchs a tv show because they can relate to it.

#7 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Would like to see a CW Amazon tv show where Diana Prince has sex with everyone in her high school.

#8 Posted by Neuron (109 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilben42: Not explicitly, no. But people tend to like things that they find personally interesting and applicable to themselves and their interests, in a general way. That's called relatability. Characters you enjoy all have it as it applies to you.

#9 Edited by jphulk26 (1332 posts) - - Show Bio

@colonyofcells said:

I agree about using Buffy as a model for a Diana Prince tv show. Just have Diana Prince (no costume needed) fight mythology characters (disguised as humans) every week similar to Grimm. In high school, Diana learns that her seemingly normal mother is actually an amazon and her missing father is actually Zeus. Amazons are all also disguised as humans and can have some powers like enhanced strength to make the amazons more interesting. Title of tv show can be : Diana Prince. Can also be done like Percy Jackson movie. Maybe Diana Prince can also fight a Maenad which was used in the tv show True Blood.

EWW.

@colonyofcells said:

Would like to see a CW Amazon tv show where Diana Prince has sex with everyone in her high school.

:)

@Neuron said:

@lilben42: Not explicitly, no. But people tend to like things that they find personally interesting and applicable to themselves and their interests, in a general way. That's called relatability. Characters you enjoy all have it as it applies to you.

Can I ask a question, every other fanbase for comic book characters always worry about accuracy of portrayal, why is it only WW fans who seem to want to change her? Are we so used to DC doing the same that we´ve began to approve as well? Wonder Woman now doesn´t have a character any longer to relate to because she´s always being changed, and fans just sit back and let it happen. How about this for a TV show, get a great writer who loves her comics, to take the series that have been most critically praised. i.e. Perrez, Rucka, Simone, and, Azzerrello (if we must) and come up with an "origin story" out of that? Its that simple. Make it along the lines of an Earth One style comic horror adventure for Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman´s classical origin can easily be adapted to modern tastes, dark, gritty, relatable, violent, sexy, youthful and humorous. That is the formula. They´ve done it with Superman, Batman, Green Arrow. They can do it with Wonder Woman. Create a series that takes the best elements of each series and avoids destroying the original mythology of the character we all know and love.

Question 1:

How can Wonder Woman be relatable to younger audiences using her original mythology?

Make her a young girl on an island that is isolated from the world. She is a curious girl, who wants to know what is beyond the shores. She is protected because she is Princess of this island, but in her heart she knows there is more out there than the paradise she´s presented with. She must break free. Oh and she a hard as nails, kick ass super powered warrior, all packaged in a rather appealing looking young girl.

Enter Steve Trevor, a handsome, quick witted, stereotype of the heroic male, with a dark past. Role reversal.

Question 2:

How do we make it dark, violent and gritty?

The women of paradise Island, are protect a dark secret? Below the depths of Paradise Island, hides the gates of Tartarus. One of its most evil inhabitants escapes. Lets call him Ares. In escaping he frees various demonic forces opening pandoras box to the world. Monster, Harpies, Gorgans, evil gods of the underworld spillout into the modern urban world and cause chaos, with only wonder woman standing in their way. etc. Add in some Guillermo Del Toro like graphics on these creatures. That´s the dark, gritty part done.

Question 3:

How to make it sexy, youthful, relevent and humorous?

Well the Amazons as these powerful warrior women and are pretty sexy already. Diana and Steve´s, very heated relationship. Wonder Woman is young and finds herself in the bright lights of the modern world, trying to accustom to Mans Ways, leading to some humorous situations and encounters with her supporting cast. Added to that she remains embued with a heart that seeks peace, and doesn´t understand the destructive ways of man, that the gods and monsters of Tarturus wish to exploit.

Haypresto Wonder Woman´s story told for a modern audience.

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