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    The Amazon princess, blessed with god-like super abilities, Wonder Woman is one of Earth's most powerful defenders of peace, justice, and equality and a member of the Justice League. She is considered an archetype for many heroines outside of comic book. Her initial origin depicted her as a clay baby brought to life by patron goddess Aphrodite, but in recent years she has been depicted as the daughter of Zeus and Amazon queen Hippolyta.

    Should WW be bisexual?

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    #51  Edited By CSG_CL

    @dshipp17 said:

    @muffin_sangria said:

    @dshipp17: I think Psycho is a character that is worth exploring more, but I'd have to admit that sometimes you're admiration of the character does get on the creepy side sometimes. I can get people being drawn to the philosophies that drive Lex, and the Joker, but getting behind a character like Psycho who's basically misogyny incarnate is a whole nother thing. His outlook does put him at odds with Wonder Woman who's very invested in gender equality which makes him a great villain for her, but he'll never be a Lex or a Joker.

    What is it about Dr. Psycho's background that makes him misogyny incarnate? I asked because it seems that you missed my whole point about Dr. Psycho's reasoning and how some people could connect to his hurt and relate to the character based on the issues driving his emotions.

    from which version? Moulton created him as a woman hating psychopath, later he would work for Duke of Deception and Ares and his personality was pretty much built on being angry that women were gaining power in the world. Post-Crisis he's not significantly different ... his N52 introduction was through the Superboy book and was rather lame. Suffice to say the character was created for the sole reason of hating women and women's empowerment.

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    @csg_cl: Exactly. The thing is, Bruce Wayne never settled down with any one woman throughout his comics; sure in the Dark Knight Rises and other certain alternative stories he did, but whenever we try to give that to Wonder Woman she's either got Superman, or Batman, or Aquaman. I think that's a bit chauvinist of the editors to do so, considering how they think that the "only worthy person" for a "goddess" like Diana is another superhero. I don't... agree to that. By making her another superhero's wife or partner kind of relegates her to secondary status, and I hate that. She has a lot of interesting characters even within her book who could be her potential mates and could be used meaningfully. Bruce Wayne's love-life keeps changing a lot over consistent retellings, I don't see why that can't be the case for Diana.

    What's so wrong if we show that she falls in love with another girl? Maybe an old Amazonian crush from her childhood? A proper exploration could even answer the question: how do homosexual women consider the troupe of the femme fatale?

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    @csg_cl: Exactly. The thing is, Bruce Wayne never settled down with any one woman throughout his comics; sure in the Dark Knight Rises and other certain alternative stories he did, but whenever we try to give that to Wonder Woman she's either got Superman, or Batman, or Aquaman. I think that's a bit chauvinist of the editors to do so, considering how they think that the "only worthy person" for a "goddess" like Diana is another superhero. I don't... agree to that. By making her another superhero's wife or partner kind of relegates her to secondary status, and I hate that. She has a lot of interesting characters even within her book who could be her potential mates and could be used meaningfully. Bruce Wayne's love-life keeps changing a lot over consistent retellings, I don't see why that can't be the case for Diana.

    What's so wrong if we show that she falls in love with another girl? Maybe an old Amazonian crush from her childhood? A proper exploration could even answer the question: how do homosexual women consider the troupe of the femme fatale?

    I don't have a problem with WW and SM or WW and BM being a couple ... it adds layers to each character if managed correctly and quite honestly WW needs the high profile love life to get a little attention these days and I'll take a sensationalized relationship with another hero over a lame attempt at having WW explore her bi-side. It rings false in a character with 70+ years of history and no hint of homosexual tendency to date. Being LGBTQ is more than who you make out with ... Batwoman was managed nicely, let her fly the rainbow flag for DC ... Diana can be her maid of honor in the wedding :)

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    @csg_cl: What 70+ years of history? The girl grew up on Themycira, a place that's famous for hating men and gently tolerating them at best! She grew up in a culture that favoured homosexuality, the implication is there. It doesn't have to be a NEGATIVE implication. I don't mean to sound hostile here, if I do then I apologise :)

    In fact, Batwoman's homosexuality was never there in the Silver Age, it was sort of put up there to serve as a token lesbian for the comics. No, if DC truly wants to show that they are open to homosexual female characters, they need to be okay with portraying more than one or two openly homosexual characters in Gotham City. I don't think exploring Diana's bi-side would be a "lame attempt" if it's done right and tastefully. What bothers me about her pairing up with Supes or Bats is that she's often relegated and defined in terms of those characters, and never vice versa. The whole point of making Wonder Woman "Superman's Girlfriend" is absurd to me -- here you have the first feminist superhero in the world and what do you do with her when you can't find any other "ordinary guy" "good-enough" ? You pair her up with the Macho-Uber-Male of the Patriarchy and call it a day... that... doesn't translate well. A High-Profile love-life is a gimmick to sell books. If you want a true character-exploration, pair Diana up with someone who she has in common with. Make her date a few jackasses so she can make up her mind about there being good-dudes and jerks in the world of emotions. It doesn't have to be a sappy teenage melodrama, but Superman and Wonder Woman together seems like good porn to me more than anything else. And yeah, as the New-52 has proven time and again, the editors sure love their softcore porn (Catwoman / Starfire).

    When I say that Diana should have bisexual relationships, I mean them to explore her emotional character. I think it'll be a big step up. Nevertheless, we need Diana to have a more well-defined love-life. Dating Supes for a few issues is alright, being attracted to Bruce Wayne is fine, but please for the love of Athena, don't make it a status-quo.

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    @csg_cl: What 70+ years of history? The girl grew up on Themycira, a place that's famous for hating men and gently tolerating them at best! She grew up in a culture that favoured homosexuality, the implication is there. It doesn't have to be a NEGATIVE implication. I don't mean to sound hostile here, if I do then I apologise :)

    In fact, Batwoman's homosexuality was never there in the Silver Age, it was sort of put up there to serve as a token lesbian for the comics. No, if DC truly wants to show that they are open to homosexual female characters, they need to be okay with portraying more than one or two openly homosexual characters in Gotham City. I don't think exploring Diana's bi-side would be a "lame attempt" if it's done right and tastefully. What bothers me about her pairing up with Supes or Bats is that she's often relegated and defined in terms of those characters, and never vice versa. The whole point of making Wonder Woman "Superman's Girlfriend" is absurd to me -- here you have the first feminist superhero in the world and what do you do with her when you can't find any other "ordinary guy" "good-enough" ? You pair her up with the Macho-Uber-Male of the Patriarchy and call it a day... that... doesn't translate well. A High-Profile love-life is a gimmick to sell books. If you want a true character-exploration, pair Diana up with someone who she has in common with. Make her date a few jackasses so she can make up her mind about there being good-dudes and jerks in the world of emotions. It doesn't have to be a sappy teenage melodrama, but Superman and Wonder Woman together seems like good porn to me more than anything else. And yeah, as the New-52 has proven time and again, the editors sure love their softcore porn (Catwoman / Starfire).

    When I say that Diana should have bisexual relationships, I mean them to explore her emotional character. I think it'll be a big step up. Nevertheless, we need Diana to have a more well-defined love-life. Dating Supes for a few issues is alright, being attracted to Bruce Wayne is fine, but please for the love of Athena, don't make it a status-quo.

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    @navetorment: I mean 70+ years of publishing history. If DC wants to add more homosexual men or women I'm all for it, but some characters are simply too high profile to make such a change without it seeming like a cheap attempt for publicity. There is zero reason to suddenly decide WW is a lesbian simply because she hails from an island of all women. And for the record being a lesbian has nothing to do with disliking men. If anything the Amazons reasons for distrust of men comes from heterosexual issues. If they want gay characters they should introduce them throughout her supporting cast. Eros, for example, was portrayed as gay in the N52 introduction ... Best thing WW can do for the LGBTQ community is be our advocate to a new generation, show straight kids that tolerance from the community is the best way to live and be an example of a straight ally that can be admired.

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    @csg_cl said:

    @navetorment said:

    @csg_cl: Exactly. The thing is, Bruce Wayne never settled down with any one woman throughout his comics; sure in the Dark Knight Rises and other certain alternative stories he did, but whenever we try to give that to Wonder Woman she's either got Superman, or Batman, or Aquaman. I think that's a bit chauvinist of the editors to do so, considering how they think that the "only worthy person" for a "goddess" like Diana is another superhero. I don't... agree to that. By making her another superhero's wife or partner kind of relegates her to secondary status, and I hate that. She has a lot of interesting characters even within her book who could be her potential mates and could be used meaningfully. Bruce Wayne's love-life keeps changing a lot over consistent retellings, I don't see why that can't be the case for Diana.

    What's so wrong if we show that she falls in love with another girl? Maybe an old Amazonian crush from her childhood? A proper exploration could even answer the question: how do homosexual women consider the troupe of the femme fatale?

    I don't have a problem with WW and SM or WW and BM being a couple ... it adds layers to each character if managed correctly and quite honestly WW needs the high profile love life to get a little attention these days and I'll take a sensationalized relationship with another hero over a lame attempt at having WW explore her bi-side. It rings false in a character with 70+ years of history and no hint of homosexual tendency to date. Being LGBTQ is more than who you make out with ... Batwoman was managed nicely, let her fly the rainbow flag for DC ... Diana can be her maid of honor in the wedding :)

    There have been plenty of hints at it over the years but nothing explicit enough to consider it canon. Really they don't need to throw her into a relationship, or have some big kiss to canonize her as bi/pansexual. All they need is a little bit of dialog where Wonder Woman says something along the lines of "When it comes to potential partners gender isn't really a factor for me."

    That would firmly establish her as non-monosexual, and for the most part fly under the radar of any one who doesn't follow her comics. It also seem like quite a fitting stance for the woman who "loves everyone". The kissing and relationship stuff can come much later if it has to.

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    @csg_cl: Absolutely. No what I meant was that her bisexuality was always implied, I agree making her a lesbian now would seem like a gimmick. Unless it's done tastefully somehow. Like, maybe Diana throws in the idea that when she was growing up on paradise island, one of her original crushes was for the best fighter in Warrior School or something. Just a suggestion. What I'd like to know is if portraying her as a bisexual will OFFEND any one. If it's done properly it doesn't have to be a gimmick. The entire notion of bisexuality would make it so that Diana is open to both genders. I understand that lesbianism has nothing to do with man-hate, but a separatist community like the Amazons shouldn't be robbed of their sexuality. I think that since WW has been a comic-book character, themes of sexuality which her origins quite naturally bring up have been ignored since they were considered too "indecent." They still are. The answer would be stand-alone graphic novels which focus on the more mature aspects of our beloved characters. And quite frankly, Batman and Superman have been dominating on the OGN dept. Moreso than Diana. She needs more OGNs.

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    @navetorment: I don't think anyone but the usual right wing crowd would be offended by it, but I don't think there is anyway to do it without sensationalizing it. I believe it's fairly overt that many of the Amazons are in lesbian relationships as far back as at least Perez, but it gets dicey with them when people start realizing that at least part of them are doing it from expedience not actual sexual orientation. In some ways Paradise is a Prison, forcing a same sex population to get creative. Personally I'd rather not have the thought that Diana fell for a girl simply because there were no boys out there. And yes more OGN for her would be fantastic!

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    No. Just no.

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    #61  Edited By CSG_CL

    @muffin_sangria: I just don't see the point of it I suppose. WW IMO doesn't need to be bi/pan sexual to me. I'd rather see her sit with a group of young gay boys and give them a pep talk like she did the girls in Hessia's dojo ... Maybe even take in a young gay teen off the streets, addressing the sad potential for teen suicide amongst gay teens.

    I guess I also don't want some "hot girl on girl" action for the perves to get all hot and bothered by :)

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    @redwingx:

    Wonder Woman sometimes mentions some lesbian "behaviour". Like at club someone asks if Paradise Island is only for woman, how does amazon have love life and WW replies why we need man for that.

    Gail Simone actualy wanted Black Canary and Oracle to be lesbian couple on Birds of Prey and Deadshot bissexual on Secret Six. But DC didnt let her.

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    I always say every character should be pansexual, wearing only thong /and bra in case of female plus accessories and on free time they should with person they will hock up next. With all love, crime will descrease and people will have peace and only dying from old age.

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    @csg_cl: True. That's another thing though -- Paradise Island has gotten trickier to write as the years passed. I suppose when Marston wrote it he didn't think about it too much, but modern readers would definitely find that sort of anti-male approach opposite to any notions of gender-equality. There were fans, I remember, who generally disliked the way Themyscira was portrayed in the animated film because there was the notion that it was "like a prison." Hippolyta kills Persephone, the betrayer, and says that "You were given a life of peace and beauty" but she responds by saying "and denied one of family and children. Yes Hippolyta, the Amazons are warriors but we are women too!" Now... first of all, Persephone's claim that all women would want children really IS generalising and not to mention a stereotypical prejudice. A lot of women would not want to make families or be bothered with bearing children. Secondly, the Amazons under Hippolyta DID have a family and the possibility of children (it wasn't established that Hippolyta's conception of Diana was a forbidden one, and seeing as how the Queen practiced it, I don't think Hippolyta would have forbidden her sisters of it as well), the only difference was that these families did not have any men in it. Now, this is the tricky part -- in a sense Persephone is right since Themyscira does have this extreme ideology. It's a separatist form of feminism, and a matriarchy. The problem is, fans complained how Paradise Island should have been written with much more sincerity and indeed portrayed AS a paradise instead of a prison. That's, as many have said, poor writing.

    What Themyscira offers to modern readers is not this military-ruled prison-island, but rather as a paradise. They ought to show that anyone can leave Themyscira whenever they wanted, perhaps have their memory wiped of its location. The sort of political ideology Hippolyta practiced isn't unheard of as the US itself had been isolationist and there are isolationist nations in the world even today (North Korea). The problem is the cynicism that most writers bring to that interpretation, and even Simone is guilty of this when she showed that Themyscira is an absolute monarchy. Those are poor imaginings of the sort of sincere paradise that Marston originally came up with. As a "paradise island" the people within Themyscira should be shown happy with their lives, otherwise we're REALLY looking at the bad guys and Diana's entire mission of spreading Peace as Themysciran culture and philosophy throughout the world would be seen as a facade for something sinister. I'm not okay with that sort of interpretation, and I'm sure a lot of fans would agree with me.

    What I agree with you is that yes, a bisexual relationship of Diana's WOULD seem sensationalistic at this point, which is why I said we ought to do it in an OGN, which wouldn't mind deviations and would be generally accepting of such explorations. It should, of course, be done tastefully so that it doesn't come off as pornographic. I never meant it to be that way. In fact, Diana's love-life itself should explore her emotional side, and PERHAPS her ideas about sexuality, but it shouldn't be graphic or done for the sake of it. I truly believe that human sexuality IS an important aspect of ourselves that every individual needs to express. That's something that WW as a character seems ready to explore. That emotional and sexual exploration is something even Alan Moore suggested during his tenure in DC. Superheroes are sexual beings too, but they are also adults about it. Most comics portray sexuality like all of these characters are in a porn-film or are 12 years old. I don't recommend that. :)

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    @csg_cl: True. That's another thing though -- Paradise Island has gotten trickier to write as the years passed. I suppose when Marston wrote it he didn't think about it too much, but modern readers would definitely find that sort of anti-male approach opposite to any notions of gender-equality. There were fans, I remember, who generally disliked the way Themyscira was portrayed in the animated film because there was the notion that it was "like a prison." Hippolyta kills Persephone, the betrayer, and says that "You were given a life of peace and beauty" but she responds by saying "and denied one of family and children. Yes Hippolyta, the Amazons are warriors but we are women too!" Now... first of all, Persephone's claim that all women would want children really IS generalising and not to mention a stereotypical prejudice. A lot of women would not want to make families or be bothered with bearing children. Secondly, the Amazons under Hippolyta DID have a family and the possibility of children (it wasn't established that Hippolyta's conception of Diana was a forbidden one, and seeing as how the Queen practiced it, I don't think Hippolyta would have forbidden her sisters of it as well), the only difference was that these families did not have any men in it. Now, this is the tricky part -- in a sense Persephone is right since Themyscira does have this extreme ideology. It's a separatist form of feminism, and a matriarchy. The problem is, fans complained how Paradise Island should have been written with much more sincerity and indeed portrayed AS a paradise instead of a prison. That's, as many have said, poor writing.

    What Themyscira offers to modern readers is not this military-ruled prison-island, but rather as a paradise. They ought to show that anyone can leave Themyscira whenever they wanted, perhaps have their memory wiped of its location. The sort of political ideology Hippolyta practiced isn't unheard of as the US itself had been isolationist and there are isolationist nations in the world even today (North Korea). The problem is the cynicism that most writers bring to that interpretation, and even Simone is guilty of this when she showed that Themyscira is an absolute monarchy. Those are poor imaginings of the sort of sincere paradise that Marston originally came up with. As a "paradise island" the people within Themyscira should be shown happy with their lives, otherwise we're REALLY looking at the bad guys and Diana's entire mission of spreading Peace as Themysciran culture and philosophy throughout the world would be seen as a facade for something sinister. I'm not okay with that sort of interpretation, and I'm sure a lot of fans would agree with me.

    What I agree with you is that yes, a bisexual relationship of Diana's WOULD seem sensationalistic at this point, which is why I said we ought to do it in an OGN, which wouldn't mind deviations and would be generally accepting of such explorations. It should, of course, be done tastefully so that it doesn't come off as pornographic. I never meant it to be that way. In fact, Diana's love-life itself should explore her emotional side, and PERHAPS her ideas about sexuality, but it shouldn't be graphic or done for the sake of it. I truly believe that human sexuality IS an important aspect of ourselves that every individual needs to express. That's something that WW as a character seems ready to explore. That emotional and sexual exploration is something even Alan Moore suggested during his tenure in DC. Superheroes are sexual beings too, but they are also adults about it. Most comics portray sexuality like all of these characters are in a porn-film or are 12 years old. I don't recommend that. :)

    Agreed, Marston seems to have pictured it as a Utopian society based on women's leadership. Perez introduced concepts such as the Well of Souls, making the Amazons non-human women, which also implied infertility. Diana being born as a child of destiny since Hippolyte was pregnant at the time of her murder. This concept also introduced a far more extreme version of separatist feminism into the Amazons. Marston's were relatively innocent seeming in comparison. The movie was written by Gail Simone and personally I thought it was very well done, addressing an important piece (children) of the Amazon society. I like that Azzarello has introduced the concept of children into the N52 version ... and despite it portraying the Amazons as rapists I like that it's added a level of intensity/conflict for Diana to deal with. Lots of potential with the sons of Amazons IMO.

    I could see the OGN you describe as interesting, but I'd still question why it's WW who should be the subject of such a story, aside from the way too obvious lesbian connotations of growing up on an Island of women. Could be more interesting to have her perspective of growing up straight with no outlet for her sexuality. But why not one of the men? Superman, as an alien raised by conservative leaning humans, must have a bundle of sexual intrigue we know nothing about. How could he possibly have gratifying sexual relations with Lois for instance? Are there Kryptonian love rituals we couldn't understand? Does he see homosexuality in the same way humans do, was it even a "thing" on Krypton? My fear of addressing this subject with any female character is that it immediately sexualizes the topic in a porn-y way rather than a mature way ... as soon as boobs come into the picture our inner 12-year-old comes bubbling out of most of us and the seriousness of the topic could be easily lost.

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    How about they introduce a young gay superhero who has not yet come out and is struggling with their identity ... someone Diana can mentor ... let's bring Donna Troy back as a young lesbian girl who needs guidance!

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    Wonder Woman should be Asexual. She should have absolutely no use for sex at all.

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    @csg_cl: Ah I see your point there. But damn it, to see Superman address his own frustrated sexuality is probably the makings of a really good story there as well. He grew up more isolated, at least physically, than Wonder Woman or the Themyscirans. I would love to see a writer (perhaps Grant Morrison?) attempt to tackle the issue of Superman's sexuality. And of course, you have such a strongly established character like Lois to start the story off with. I'm sure the Daily Planet's ace reporter, who is clearly attracted to Kal-El, would have contemplated this question at some point (or should have!) The closest I can think of Superman's sexuality directly being explored was in Smallville when he develops the ability to shoot heat-vision; it was turned on initially whenever he got sexually aroused and then got to control it.

    Stories about the sexual nature of our heroes can be written without needing to resort to a pornographic level. For those we have smut-comics!

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    Whether Diana is or isn't, should or shouldn't, making her bisexual could be a wise move. You'd get the publicity boost and maybe more readers given how popular Wonder Woman is in pop culture.

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    #70  Edited By Muffin_Sangria

    @csg_cl said:

    @muffin_sangria: I just don't see the point of it I suppose. WW IMO doesn't need to be bi/pan sexual to me. I'd rather see her sit with a group of young gay boys and give them a pep talk like she did the girls in Hessia's dojo ... Maybe even take in a young gay teen off the streets, addressing the sad potential for teen suicide amongst gay teens.

    I guess I also don't want some "hot girl on girl" action for the perves to get all hot and bothered by :)

    I'll admit there is some issue of futures writers or artists using her same sex attractions as an excuse for some objectifying cheesecake, but I hope that doesn't happen and still think it's worth exploring. Also the prevalent theme of her comic of being an outside plus her theme of love has always felt to partially be symbolic of the LGBT and as such I think she'd work better as being a member of it rather then just an ally. If there is a character that they should focus more on as a ally is Green Arrow.

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    What I agree with you is that yes, a bisexual relationship of Diana's WOULD seem sensationalistic at this point, which is why I said we ought to do it in an OGN, which wouldn't mind deviations and would be generally accepting of such explorations.

    I kinda surprised that haven't done anything out of continuity, or from a separate universe as bisexual or as a lesbian. I could have seen them doing that with Superwoman from Earth 3 since it's so much easier to get away with LGBT characters when relying on the homosexual maniac trope.

    @csg_cl said:

    How about they introduce a young gay superhero who has not yet come out and is struggling with their identity ... someone Diana can mentor ... let's bring Donna Troy back as a young lesbian girl who needs guidance!

    I think a Donna a lesbian would be a much more major change given that she actually had a husband and a child. I guess being that she is more of a minor character that DC might be able to get away with more.

    I also had an idea about Mia Dearden (Speedy) being brought back into continuity as a young trans woman. I think her backstory lends well to that but I would probably alter it a little to make it slightly less tragic.

    All new LGBT character are nice too, but it can be harder to get new characters to stick.

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    @csg_cl: Ah I see your point there. But damn it, to see Superman address his own frustrated sexuality is probably the makings of a really good story there as well. He grew up more isolated, at least physically, than Wonder Woman or the Themyscirans. I would love to see a writer (perhaps Grant Morrison?) attempt to tackle the issue of Superman's sexuality. And of course, you have such a strongly established character like Lois to start the story off with. I'm sure the Daily Planet's ace reporter, who is clearly attracted to Kal-El, would have contemplated this question at some point (or should have!) The closest I can think of Superman's sexuality directly being explored was in Smallville when he develops the ability to shoot heat-vision; it was turned on initially whenever he got sexually aroused and then got to control it.

    Stories about the sexual nature of our heroes can be written without needing to resort to a pornographic level. For those we have smut-comics!

    LOL ... there have been a few moments here and there for SM ... All Star addressed Lois being unable to carry his baby I believe and in at least one of the movies they have joked that he should have put it out there that Clark is gay so people wouldn't guess at his secret identity because he was with Lois :)

    I think the comic can be written that doesn't resort to pornography, I have less faith that fans won't make it pornography :)

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    @csg_cl said:

    @muffin_sangria: I just don't see the point of it I suppose. WW IMO doesn't need to be bi/pan sexual to me. I'd rather see her sit with a group of young gay boys and give them a pep talk like she did the girls in Hessia's dojo ... Maybe even take in a young gay teen off the streets, addressing the sad potential for teen suicide amongst gay teens.

    I guess I also don't want some "hot girl on girl" action for the perves to get all hot and bothered by :)

    I'll admit there is some issue of futures writers or artists using her same sex attractions as an excuse for some objectifying cheesecake, but I hope that doesn't happen and still think it's worth exploring. Also the prevalent theme of her comic of being an outside plus her theme of love has always felt to partially be symbolic of the LGBT and as such I think she'd work better as being a member of it rather then just an ally. If there is a character that they should focus more on as a ally is Green Arrow.

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    What I agree with you is that yes, a bisexual relationship of Diana's WOULD seem sensationalistic at this point, which is why I said we ought to do it in an OGN, which wouldn't mind deviations and would be generally accepting of such explorations.

    I kinda surprised that haven't done anything out of continuity, or from a separate universe as bisexual or as a lesbian. I could have seen them doing that with Superwoman from Earth 3 since it's so much easier to get away with LGBT characters when relying on the homosexual maniac trope.

    @csg_cl said:

    How about they introduce a young gay superhero who has not yet come out and is struggling with their identity ... someone Diana can mentor ... let's bring Donna Troy back as a young lesbian girl who needs guidance!

    I think a Donna a lesbian would be a much more major change given that she actually had a husband and a child. I guess being that she is more of a minor character that DC might be able to get away with more.

    I also had an idea about Mia Dearden (Speedy) being brought back into continuity as a young trans woman. I think her backstory lends well to that but I would probably alter it a little to make it slightly less tragic.

    All new LGBT character are nice too, but it can be harder to get new characters to stick.

    I was mostly kidding about Donna being gay ... but given what they did with Wally it doesn't look like prior history will matter much for some characters.

    I agree that it's something worth exploring, I'm just not sure it's possible to do something like this without it going crazy. Ultimately we're talking about taking the most recognizable female in comics and throwing a gasoline fire of sexually charged topics on her ... look what happened when they put pants on her!

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    @csg_cl: Well there are going to be rule 34 images no matter what they do.

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    I'm fine with it as long as they were to treat it respectfully and not do it for a cheap sales bump.

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    #76  Edited By Rosenovel

    Spoilers:

    Dc bombshells confermed wonderwoman to at least be bisexual in one of its issues. Maura was Wonderwoman's first kiss

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    Dc bombshells confermed wonderwoman to at least be bisexual in one of its issues. Maura was Wonderwoman's first kiss

    Man bombshells was cool. I have not completed the read yet though.

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    I hate the whole idea because all it does is betray 70+ years of history in order to pander to non-fans and prejudiced people.

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    @dragonhunter1414: oh sorry I should have written that it was spoilers. But yeah I'm really liking bombshells as well.

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    @rosenovel: yeah i'll continue the read on weekend.

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    @scorpio_cassadine: Not sure how you mean by that as I'm pretty sure in her first incarnation she could be considered at least bi. Despite what some historians on the character want to say, she had some attraction to a few men, but had many moments of "fun" (good ol' 1940s sorority fun) with other girls.

    Either way, she strikes me as a person who wouldn't care either way, but I agree to some extent that suddenly having her mack on a woman without proper buildup would feel rather cheap since so far she's only really been established as at least straight recently.

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    i don't see any reason why she should be

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    I think the most respectful thing they can do is to make diana explicitly not straight(bi or gay) along with all of the amazons.

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    No character "should" be anything. Anyway, I don't think that WW should be suddenly revealed to be bisexual or something when she has always been portrayed as being straight in canon stories.

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    @scorpio_cassadine: Not sure how you mean by that as I'm pretty sure in her first incarnation she could be considered at least bi. Despite what some historians on the character want to say, she had some attraction to a few men, but had many moments of "fun" (good ol' 1940s sorority fun) with other girls.

    Either way, she strikes me as a person who wouldn't care either way, but I agree to some extent that suddenly having her mack on a woman without proper buildup would feel rather cheap since so far she's only really been established as at least straight recently.

    prejudiced people = "she's from an island of women, so she must be at least bi"

    non-fans = "I want her to share my sexual orientation, despite her past history"

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    @csg_cl said:

    I'm not opposed to making her bisexual, but at this point it feels rather silly. I'd rather see them introduce LGBTQ cast into the title instead of trying to make WW change in that way. Imagine Julia Kapetelis as a lesbian raising her daughter. Or maybe Julia is straight and it's Vanessa who is struggling with coming out ... Lots of options that would feel organic to the title.

    I feel like if they suddenly made WW Gay/Bi it would be a sensationalist move.

    I stand by my original thoughts on this topic ... WW makes an amazing straight ally to the LGBTQ community, but does not need to be "converted".

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    @csg_cl said:
    @csg_cl said:

    I'm not opposed to making her bisexual, but at this point it feels rather silly. I'd rather see them introduce LGBTQ cast into the title instead of trying to make WW change in that way. Imagine Julia Kapetelis as a lesbian raising her daughter. Or maybe Julia is straight and it's Vanessa who is struggling with coming out ... Lots of options that would feel organic to the title.

    I feel like if they suddenly made WW Gay/Bi it would be a sensationalist move.

    I stand by my original thoughts on this topic ... WW makes an amazing straight ally to the LGBTQ community, but does not need to be "converted".

    I really fail to see why changing a character who showed no interested in women whatsoever into straight up lesbian is in any way more "organic" than Diana being bi, when she has been hinted to be as back as during Marston days. It just smacks as random, tokeny and corwardly. Bi Diana would actually mean something. And I say this as someone who criticized Catwoman being bi.

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    @strejda said:
    @csg_cl said:
    @csg_cl said:

    I'm not opposed to making her bisexual, but at this point it feels rather silly. I'd rather see them introduce LGBTQ cast into the title instead of trying to make WW change in that way. Imagine Julia Kapetelis as a lesbian raising her daughter. Or maybe Julia is straight and it's Vanessa who is struggling with coming out ... Lots of options that would feel organic to the title.

    I feel like if they suddenly made WW Gay/Bi it would be a sensationalist move.

    I stand by my original thoughts on this topic ... WW makes an amazing straight ally to the LGBTQ community, but does not need to be "converted".

    I really fail to see why changing a character who showed no interested in women whatsoever into straight up lesbian is in any way more "organic" than Diana being bi, when she has been hinted to be as back as during Marston days. It just smacks as random, tokeny and corwardly. Bi Diana would actually mean something. And I say this as someone who criticized Catwoman being bi.

    I don't see how making her Bi is any less tokeny (to use your term). Conceptually I see how it works and might even have been a blatantly hinted at aspect of the character back in Marston's days, but to change her now just seems pointless when she's already a figure in LGBT equality as an ally. I don't see how making her Bi or Lesbian does much except feel like an appropriation.

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    #89  Edited By alsummers

    @strejda: I agree whole-heartedly. There is a niche out there that wants Wonder Woman to be lesbian so bad because some writer on her history said in no uncertain terms that she was, or that they feel that since she's a feminist character that she could "only" be lesbian. But in reality, that pronouncement is the biggest leap and stretch. Even in Marston's "hinted" era, she was also blatantly shown to have an attraction towards males, so we know her attraction was not exclusive to women even back then (though it did appear she liked hanging out with them more.)

    That said I can also see it reasonable that she could have a relationship with a woman, but it wouldn't be solely because its a woman, or that she prefers intimate relations with them.

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    #90 Straight-Fire  Online

    I always assumed that she was, but who knows??

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    Sure.

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    Yeah sure why not, the myth-building in Wonder Woman: Earth 1 works for me, bring that over to Earth Prime, ditch the skanky outfit and we're good.

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