How Strong Is Wonder Woman Now?

#151 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChillinVillain, let's be fair here though and real. If Hellspont went up against WW, he'd eat her up alive...

WW is powerful, but overall I'd say not quite as powerful as Superman. Superman has gotten more powerful to and can do things he couldn't do pre-52(not counting SA Superman)

#152 Posted by SUNMAN (7265 posts) - - Show Bio

@GunGunW said:

She may be very powerful, but she hasn't bench pressed the weight of the earth yet.

why would she need too?

#153 Edited by bloggerboy (622 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really have an opinion on the subject but this reminded me of what happened in Justice League (written by Dwayne McDuffie) where Superman and Wonder Woman "argue" about which one is faster. Batman states Diana is faster but he asks Clark: "Who is faster, Usain Bolt or Bruce Lee".

#154 Posted by hyperman (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: I agree with you. That battle was a complete stupid thing. Obviously, Wonder Woman was able to bear much more than bolts and lightnings, take a look at "Sacrifice" she was able to put up a fight with Superman who had been gone mad!

#155 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vaeternus: we can't say if hellspont would eat her alive,wonder woman hasn't enough feats,more than a year since the rebot and she hasn't done anything yet,the changes didn't make her good.

#156 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyperman: my point is that characters have different writers through the years,and sometimes there are stupid plots along the way,so we'll always see some inconsistencies sometimes.

but overall,wonder woman is consistent,for example about the lightning bolt thing,wonder woman has taken normal lightnings,magic lightnings,and even sky-father level lightnings,so i think that wonder woman tanking lightings is consistent,so storm's lightning taking her down is pure trash.

#157 Posted by GunGunW (1006 posts) - - Show Bio

@SUNMAN: She hasn't done it or anything like it yet so why would there be any evidence she could do it? Wonder Woman has always been slightly below Superman so why would assume that she's physically stronger based on her doing absolutely nothing close? If we base it on the fact she's always been close then fine... but we can't assume she's stronger based on nothing.

#158 Posted by Grimoire (555 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe she is more powerful than before New 52 but its how she uses her powers that's interesting. If power equals strength though Superman still does have more raw physical power as shown by him lifting the earth's weight easily over an extended time. lol

#159 Posted by kadeem (2870 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComicMan24 said:

@deaditegonzo said:

In the new52 Superman hasnt shown any vulnerability to magic, and I believe ive read every one of his appearances so far, including crossovers. Right now, to say he is vulnerable to it (never been weak to it anyway), is pure speculation for now.

Actually in the first issue of Justice League Dark, when he, Wonder Woman and Cyborg went to that house that the insane Enchantress was and she attacked them, she managed to hurt Superman and Cyborg and WW were surprised that a magical attack managed to hurt him.

As for WW, strength-wise she hasn't done anything so far to convince me that she is as strong as Superman yet. She just needs more feats yet. And even that scene where she uses her full strength against Artemis, still was too short to be used in any debate or something.

Yeah here is a page demonstrating New 52 Superman's vulnerability to magic.

#160 Posted by deaditegonzo (3690 posts) - - Show Bio

I realized thats what they were implying when I noticed that WW was going uncut, which I didnt even take stock in before. I confessed as much earlier.

#161 Posted by Goddessa (200 posts) - - Show Bio

@SUNMAN: EXACTLY! She doesn't need to prove anything :)

#162 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

In Enchantress vs Justice League, all of the Justice League members were overcome including Superman and Wonder Woman so it could mean that Enchantress was just too powerful and Superman does not have a special weakness to magic. Magic is also power and great power can overcome Superman and Wonder Woman.

#163 Posted by Comicman1000 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

@dea.

In the new52 Superman hasnt shown any vulnerability to magic, and I believe ive read every one of his appearances so far, including crossovers. Right now, to say he is vulnerable to it (never been weak to it anyway), is pure speculation for now.

I've read Justice League Dark #1 and in that he was being cut to ribbons by those flying teeth summoned by Enchantress, I think that shows his vulnerability to magic in the new 52.

#164 Posted by noj (1094 posts) - - Show Bio

@Outside_85: First of all she couldnt walk around before without anyone noticing. She is Wonder Woman probably on of the most recognizable people on the planet. Like I said before the ONLY reason she bothered hiding who she was was because Clark asked her to. The idea of a secret identity and anonymity more than likely never occurred to her before. She got all excited over it because it was a new experience for her.

#165 Edited by Superguy1591 (3791 posts) - - Show Bio

@xxxddd: They weren't holding back, no where did it say they were holding back. Martian wasn't a member of the team, they invented him to join and he had to see if they could hold their own and they failed. So he didn't join.

Plus, J'onn has always been tough for Superman. Superman, in the pre-52, said that J'onn was the one guy in the league he wouldn't want to dance with. I don;t think that as changed. You're going to have to define "powerful" for me.

@deaditegonzo: Uhm, Helspont proved that he was toying with Superman. Superman didn't stand a chance, a simple back hand gave him a concussion and when Helspont was done with him he left. He told Superman that he was disappointed with him and that the only reason he's letting him live is so he can protect Earth. There's nothing to suggest that Helspont's minions wouldn't have beaten Clark's buttocks as well. Helspont wanted to dance with Clark because he thought he was the toughest on Earth and the only one who could stop him.

Until proven otherwise, Martian > The entire league...out of context or not.

@Mezmero: Superman #15 proves she can fly in the New 52.

#166 Posted by Outside_85 (9981 posts) - - Show Bio

@noj: Read WW issue 4 and 5 please.

#167 Posted by Ultim8Roux (22 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous: This.

It wasnt just any bullet that passed through her bracelets. Besides, the bracelets and the gun were made by the same guy. It says less about the bracelets or the gun than it does about the blacksmith.

#168 Edited by DEADPOOL (2710 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm, that sequence where Wonder Woman removes her bracelets looks almost exactly the same as when Bui from the anime/manga "Yuyu Hakusho" removes his armor. His armor turns out to weigh a ton and he wears it to limit his power, thus "protecting his opponent" as it was put as it was here, he also gets a glow as well.

#169 Posted by SoA (5135 posts) - - Show Bio

@xxxddd said:

She is the third strongest being in the DCU, second strongest being Superman, and strongest being Darkseid.

i can agree with this

#170 Edited by drgnx (3566 posts) - - Show Bio

Most of DC top characters are portrayed as being the top of the food chain in their comics. Wonder Women, Superman, Captain Atom, Flash, Green Lantern (especially Hal when he actually decides to step up) just to name a few. I think its cool though she gets some new weapons. What DC really needs to work on his not her battle armaments but her mind. She is the only on on the JLA that does not seem to have a lot of technical/science skills, she does seem to have an understanding of magic and the "hidden world" were Gods and Monsters hide, DC should exploit that more.

@SoA said:

@xxxddd said:

She is the third strongest being in the DCU, second strongest being Superman, and strongest being Darkseid.

i can agree with this

If you're talking about physical strength, Helspont appears to be stronger than Superman.

I'd also give an honorable mention (in terms of potential candidates) to

  • H'el
  • Atrocitous
  • Martian Manhunter

So I would put HS in second, with the list above having potential to come in between superman and Wonder Women, but needing more showings to clearly justify (other than ABC logic or speculation)

If we talking about strongest in terms of over-all battle capabilities I'd add a few like Captain Atom, Agent Orange, etc

#171 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior said:

@Vaeternus: we can't say if hellspont would eat her alive,wonder woman hasn't enough feats,more than a year since the rebot and she hasn't done anything yet,the changes didn't make her good.

Well, that's just it though. More then a year and WW hasn't done anything that's impressive as Superman or at least close or so far which is why I think Hellspont would beat her. I mean, we haven't even seen Darkseid give Supes as much of a hard time as Hellspont seemed to or Kryptonite man who he's fought too.

Maybe she would be a decent challenge for him but given the fact that Superman seems stronger then Diana and had trouble with him, I doubt she'd fair well against Hellspont honestly.

#172 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

My guess is Wonder Woman likes to use her bracelets to deflect bec. her bras are not made of strong material.

#173 Posted by Press Oblivion (1643 posts) - - Show Bio

@colonyofcells said:

My guess is Wonder Woman likes to use her bracelets to deflect bec. her bras are not made of strong material.

LOL!

If Superman is Super Strong then is Wonder Woman Wonder Strong?

#174 Edited by drgnx (3566 posts) - - Show Bio

@Press Oblivion said:

@colonyofcells said:

My guess is Wonder Woman likes to use her bracelets to deflect bec. her bras are not made of strong material.

LOL!

If Superman is Super Strong then is Wonder Woman Wonder Strong?

Is that a Wonder-Bra Joke?

#175 Posted by Press Oblivion (1643 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx said:

@Press Oblivion said:

Is that a Wonder-Bra Joke?

Not intentionally but feel free to make it your own :)

#176 Posted by Epicbeast3000 (956 posts) - - Show Bio

@xxxddd: What about captain marval, black adam, highfather, ares, orion, spectre, source and a billion more.

#177 Posted by Press Oblivion (1643 posts) - - Show Bio

@Epicbeast3000 said:

@xxxddd: What about captain marval, black adam, highfather, ares, orion, spectre, source and a billion more.

To them, Wonder Woman is really strong too.

#178 Posted by Epicbeast3000 (956 posts) - - Show Bio

@Press Oblivion: Dude, I mentioned source. You are a wonder woman fanboy/girl. If you think wonder woman could beat any of these guys in pure strength, You are so very very very very very wrong!

#179 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

My guess is Wonder Woman can beat the Hulk if Wonder Woman removes her 2 bracelets and all of her clothes.

#180 Edited by fanboiii (19 posts) - - Show Bio

First of all, nice article Babs!

I'm not the kind of fan that gets hung up on power levels. I think it's really situational. Even the best athletes don't always perform their best. Why can't the same apply to superheroes? Sometimes they just don't have the gusto or right circumstance to give it their all.

What I like about Wonder Woman is that she isn't constant. She can be stronger or depowered, which is way more interesting. She also has different weapons and powers. That makes her more unpredictable and gives her an edge in battle. Also, she's a passionate fighter unlike Batman who's a reserved fighter. Anyway, when it comes to Wonder Woman, it's not about how strong she is, but how she shows strength. I'm not interested in definitive power stats.

#181 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

Magic > Superman.

#182 Edited by WDW (1516 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on powers abilities and weapons, Wonder Woman should always be able to kick supermans ASS in a fight. Thats what she does! Whats what makes her different from every other powerhouse in DC comics.

However Superman is still MORE POWERFUL and probably stronger than Wonder Woman.

Wonder Woman is strong sure but It's not really her claim to fame or why she is Wonder Woman. Even if she lost all her powers, her abilities alone would still make her a superhero but her strength level combined with her skills and weapons make her TRULY UNIQUE in the DCU

All versions of Superman have way more powers than wonder woman which enable him to do other superhero things that Wonder Woman can never do.

All versions of Wonder Woman have abilities and weapons which would enable her to kick superman's ass if she needed to.

So trying to determine how strong she compared to the standard base line of supermans strength is pretty meaningless. Just assume she is strong enough to hurt superman level beings without getting caught up with who is actually stronger.... thats up to the writer

DISCLAIMER: I am simply bringing superman into this discussion to establish a baseline strength level and comparison. Please do not take this as a battle thread post.

#183 Posted by jphulk26 (1332 posts) - - Show Bio

@WDW said:

Based on powers abilities and weapons, Wonder Woman should always be able to kick supermans ASS in a fight. Thats what she does! Whats what makes her different from every other powerhouse in DC comics.

However Superman is still MORE POWERFUL and probably stronger than Wonder Woman.

Wonder Woman is strong sure but It's not really her claim to fame or why she is Wonder Woman. Even if she lost all her powers, her abilities alone would still make her a superhero but her strength level combined with her skills and weapons make her TRULY UNIQUE in the DCU

All versions of Superman have way more powers than wonder woman which enable him to do other superhero things that Wonder Woman can never do.

All versions of Wonder Woman have abilities and weapons which would enable her to kick superman's ass if she needed to.

So trying to determine how strong she compared to the standard base line of supermans strength is pretty meaningless.

DISCLAIMER: I am simply bringing superman into this discussion to establish a baseline strength level and comparison. Please do not take this as a battle thread post.

Completely agree, but I think she´s only a little less strong than Superman or Supergirl, just because of their higher durability. But she more than makes up for that in skill and magic weapons.

#184 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman; a new series brought to you by Deus Ex Machina. 

#185 Posted by a88378438 (3420 posts) - - Show Bio

I think without her bracelets she may as strong as Superman.,so she should be can lift earth weight just like superman...

#186 Posted by marvel123 (377 posts) - - Show Bio

why does it pain some people to see wonder woman stronger than superman?, why does wonder woman need to be as strong as the kryptonians in general (male and female)?

also in both dc and marvel it seems that the super powered aliens are a litte stronger than the myth gods

it doesn't seem like being a god/ demigod means anything in comics....(not that it should)...you can be a god and be a "PUNY god" Hulk

#187 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is the first superhero and in dc, there is also a tradition of making Superman the most powerful superhero using whatever means so most people will claim Superman is more powerful than Wonder Woman.

#188 Posted by marvel123 (377 posts) - - Show Bio

i guess there can NEVER be an undisputed Strongest hero

But there is a title for the undisputed fastest hero (some 1 in the flash family)

#189 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@fanboiii: wonder woman's power level is consistent,most of the time she is doing high level feats,we know what a powerhouse she is,but some people don't understand a basic point in her character,she is a warrior with honor that wants every fight to be fair,so she won't be going all out if her opponent can't take all her power,she won't speedblitz an opponent that can't handle super speed,that's why she didn't use her super speed and flight while fighting big barda,or while she trains with black canary,and that proves that she holds back much more than some people think.

#190 Posted by darkman61288 (777 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman is the strongest woman on Earth at the moment. Powergirl and Supergirl need time to be able to surpase her but they will. They are also many beings more stronger and more powerful than WW and SM. Like the Spectre, H'el, the Endless, Lucifer Morningstar, his brother Micheal, infinity man, Darkseid, and Finaly the Presence. Not exactly in that order other than the Presence being number 1.

#191 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Rather then speculating on who is the strongest, for stories to work, it is enough that Wonder Woman is strong enough to fight Superman, Supergirl, Power girl, Martian Manhunter, Captain Marvel, Darkseid, Zeus, Lucifer, etc.

#192 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkman61288: that's a big speculation that you're doing,wonder woman was always more powerful than supergirl and powergirl before new 52,and she'll keep being more powerful until we see otherwise.

judging by your comments,you seem to have something against wonder woman being the most powerful female hero,and i just don't understand why.

#193 Posted by darkman61288 (777 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: It makes sense that they are stronger than WW. They are both from Kpyton right. Besides this the New 52 things are different now like you yourself said in other posts.

#194 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkman61288: kriptonian aren't all at the same level,you think that because they are superman counterpart,they are as strong as him?,they aren't,superman has always been stronger than supergirl and powergirl,it is shown all the time in their respective feats,so they aren't stronger than wonder woman,they never were,and things are different in new 52 yes,but we don't know how that will turn out to be,wonder woman being a semi-goddess now could also mean that now she is even more above them than before 52,we still have to wait and see.

#195 Posted by fanboiii (19 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: Her power is definitely not consistent. I'm talking about how it currently is in the comics. It depends on her willingness and control. We've seen instances in her solo book where she wasn't really willing to fight, like her loss against Apollo. We've seen her losing control. But she definitely can be very powerful with her god mode and new swords.

#196 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@fanboiii:ok,but i was talking about her power level before new 52,her power was very consistent before 52,right now in the new 52,her power is consistent too,because we really haven't seen much of her power,she wasn't willing to fight against apollo,but that doesn't mean inconsistency,then in her fight gainst artemis we saw how determinated she is when she is willing to fight,but in the new 52 she hasn't shown many high level feats yet,we still have to wait,she is still developing her power.

#197 Posted by midnightblue91 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

It would be close but overall I want to say Superman because he is invulnerable to sharp objects bullets ect, and she isn't. But it would definetly be close

#198 Posted by PowerWoman (3576 posts) - - Show Bio

Why bump this thread?New 52 superman EASILY lift earth five days

Superman at least billions and billions time stronger than Wonder Woman

/thread

#199 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@gungunw: she hasn't always been close to superman,she was more powerful than him during their original runs,the thing is that i would be happy seeing her pre 52 feats at least,because so far she hasn't done anything in the powerhouse category,so i hope to see better feats soon.

#200 Posted by PowerWoman (3576 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: Yeah,and someone says Superman can bench entire solar system

http://www.comicvine.com/superman/4005-1807/forums/i-calculated-how-strong-superman-is-new-52-751618/

so....i dont know what is DC next....

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