They always show the Queen & Wonderwoman throwing buses around, riping open safes, etc. But how strong all the other Amazons, as strong as the Queen or WW or is the Queen and WW really strong when compared to the other Amazons?
Wonder Woman
Character » Wonder Woman appears in 8808 issues.
The Amazon princess, blessed with god-like super abilities, Wonder Woman is one of Earth's most powerful defenders of peace, justice, and equality and a member of the Justice League. She is considered an archetype for many heroines outside of comic book. Her initial origin depicted her as a clay baby brought to life by patron goddess Aphrodite, but in recent years she has been depicted as the daughter of Zeus and Amazon queen Hippolyta.
How strong is the "average" Amazon?
In the golden age, silver age and bronze age, all the amazons were super strong which was why Diana would participate in contests with the other amazons. Post-coie, it was decided to make Wonder Woman unique so amazons just have normal strength. In the New 52 reboot, the amazons also just have normal strength. The male children of amazons also just have normal strength. But amazons and even their male children are immortal.
That actually hasn't been established in N52 era.
There was some discussion on that here:
The Amazons: Super Powered?
As far as this current era of Amazons, there's nothing definitive. With the advent of Diana's origin change, we don't know what still applies from the previous incarnations.
Pre-New 52 15 tons supposedly while WW was 100+, new 52 no idea, they got turned into asps before it could be answered.
@colonyofcells said:
Did not know that about the male children of Amazons-cool! Where are the examples of that in the comics?
I'd like to read those issues!
In the golden age, silver age and bronze age, all the amazons were super strong which was why Diana would participate in contests with the other amazons. Post-coie, it was decided to make Wonder Woman unique so amazons just have normal strength. In the New 52 reboot, the amazons also just have normal strength. The male children of amazons also just have normal strength. But amazons and even their male children are immortal.
I would assume the female and male children of the amazons are all immortal (but can be killed) but have no super strength. The male children of the amazons are working for the god of fire. http://talkingcomicbooks.com/2012/07/new-amazons/
Says this Amazon can lift ten tons?
http://www.comicvine.com/phillipus/29-10909/
I always thought the Queen and WW was MUCH stronger than the average Amazon because they had been touch by the Gods so much and the other Amazons got stronger as they got older!
Wonder Woman Says She Got Faster Reflexes than Superman and could take him in a fight!
post-coie and pre-flashpoint, i heard rumors that some amazons got extra powers thru the power of prayer to the greek gods. I heard rumors that Wonder Woman used to pray to get the temporary power boost or even new powers.
@colonyofcells: pre 52 amazond had super strength and super speed too,not to the level of diana,but it was stated that even the weakest and slowest amazon is way stronger and faster than any peak human.
@argusx:
pre 52 amazond had super strength and super speed too,not to the level of diana,but it was stated that even the weakest and slowest amazon is way stronger and faster than any peak human.
@GWHH:
pre 52 amazons had super strength and super speed too,nowhere near diana's level,but it was stated that even the weakest and slowest amazon is way stronger and faster than any peak human.
Diana and Donna are the only ones who were born (or created) with natural strength. Hippolyta, as Wonder Woman, gets hers from the Gauntlet of Atlas I believe.
Amazons have greater than regular human level strength. These should help. First scan is part of the contest in WW issue 1 (V2). The woman in front is Diana so ignore her. The woman behind her is just a regular Amazon. Second scan is from WW Annual number 1. A regular Amazon holds together Dooms Doorway with just her body. Note that she is only able to hold it for so long and needs the weight of that large lumber collection to completely seal it. Hope this helps.
Pre-coie, Wonder Woman and the other amazons could do contests as equals. Post-coie, Wonder Woman got the Captain Marvel like origin so Wonder Woman could not really do contests with the other amazons anymore even if other amazons were slightly stronger than other humans. Post-flashpoint, Wonder Woman is now the daughter of Zeus, so even though Wonder Woman seemed same as other amazons when she did not know her father was Zeus, once Wonder Woman found out her father was Zeus, Wonder Woman now knows her power levels are light years ahead of the other amazons even if the other amazons are slightly stronger than normal humans.
@colonyofcells said:
Pre-coie, Wonder Woman and the other amazons could do contests as equals. Post-coie, Wonder Woman got the Captain Marvel like origin so Wonder Woman could not really do contests with the other amazons anymore even if other amazons were slightly stronger than other humans. Post-flashpoint, Wonder Woman is now the daughter of Zeus, so even though Wonder Woman seemed same as other amazons when she did not know her father was Zeus, once Wonder Woman found out her father was Zeus, Wonder Woman now knows her power levels are light years ahead of the other amazons even if the other amazons are slightly stronger than normal humans.
What do you mean contests? In her second volume there were only 2 contests that I'm aware of. The first one to decide who would become Wonder Woman in which Diana disguised herself because her mother forebode it and the second one where Diana's powers are nerfed when she's on the island and Artemis wins.
Since Diana spent many years with the amazons before becoming Wonder Woman, I would assume young Diana must've done many contests over the years with other amazons before becoming Wonder Woman, particularly pre-coie. Post-coie, there were probably also many contests before Diana became Wonder Woman altho the other amazons probably knew they could not win.
@colonyofcells said:
Since Diana spent many years with the amazons before becoming Wonder Woman, I would assume young Diana must've done many contests over the years with other amazons before becoming Wonder Woman, particularly pre-coie. Post-coie, there were probably also many contests before Diana became Wonder Woman altho the other amazons probably knew they could not win.
OK gotcha. I'm not familiar with Pre-crisis WW. Post-crisis everyone knew she was special and leagues above them in every stat. They don't seem like the type of community to punish her for that by excluding her from any potential events.
@GWHH: the amazon queen hasn't god like powers,only wonder woman has god like powers,the amazon queen is the most powerful among the normal amazons,but she is nowhere near wonder woman's level,and all the amazons are way stronger and faster than a peak human,it's been stated many times,for example if you read perez first issue,you can see normal amazons moving giant rocks,being faster than any athlete,etc,etc .
@Joygirl: the amazons durability has a weakpoint against piercing weapons,but they are super durable against everything else,but wonder woman is way above the other amazons of course.
@gokuwarrior said:
Who is "perez" and what issue/series is that in?
@GWHH: the amazon queen hasn't god like powers,only wonder woman has god like powers,the amazon queen is the most powerful among the normal amazons,but she is nowhere near wonder woman's level,and all the amazons are way stronger and faster than a peak human,it's been stated many times,for example if you read perez first issue,you can see normal amazons moving giant rocks,being faster than any athlete,etc,etc .
@GWHH: perez is one of the best writers woder woman had,look at some scans in the first page of this topic,there you'll see some strength feats by normal amazons before new 52.
@gokuwarrior said:
@GWHH: the amazon queen hasn't god like powers,only wonder woman has god like powers,the amazon queen is the most powerful among the normal amazons,but she is nowhere near wonder woman's level,and all the amazons are way stronger and faster than a peak human,it's been stated many times,for example if you read perez first issue,you can see normal amazons moving giant rocks,being faster than any athlete,etc,etc .
I don´t think Queen Hippolyta is the most powerful, just one of the best warriors. I mean you have Artemis who is pretty bad ass on the battle field. I think the answer to The OP ultimately it comes down to The Amazons being extremely well trained and in peek human condition, for a man, not a woman. Like all of them would have the strength level of Batman. So I guess it is a kind of Superpower, when you look at it, but they were created by The Gods.
@jphulk26: all the amazons are stronger,faster and more durable than any peak human,you can watch some scans in the first page of this topic.
@GWHH: George Perez is the writer that took ov Wonder Woman after Crisis On Infinite Earths. He pretty much revolutionized the character. He's responsible for Wonder Woman Volume 2, issues 1 - 62.
Since everyone talking about peak human condtion. I thought I would toss out the peak human standard for discussion!
According to the DC comics wiki link this is batman strength an skill level. Anyone want to argee disargee with this?
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_(Bruce_Wayne)
Peak Human Strength: Batman regularly bench-presses at least 1000 lbs. during his exercise routine.
@GWHH: well,normal amzaons are much stronger,much more durable and much faster than batman,you can see some scans posted her thast prove it,all the amazons are super human,they are nowhere near wonder woman's level because she has god like powers,but all the amazons are super human level.
In issue #3 a po'ed Diana cold cock's Aleka(the big red headed amazon)on her way to the funeral pire and didnt knock her off her feet.so i would say there strength(maybe just on the island) is pretty equal to Diana's.
I havealways thought that also. On the island the women are all super level strong. WW is just a bit better than most of them. But when they leave the island. Other than the Queen, WW, Donna Troy, Wonder Girl. They lose there SUPER strength and just become very strong maybe above peak levels humans for most. Bench Press 1000 pound no problem. And some are stronger than other for what ever reason. They work out more on the island, pray to the Gods more or are just favored by the Gods, etc.
In issue #3 a po'ed Diana cold cock's Aleka(the big red headed amazon)on her way to the funeral pire and didnt knock her off her feet.so i would say there strength(maybe just on the island) is pretty equal to Diana's.
@gwhh: they are not wonder woman strength level,also, Donna Troy, Wonder Girl.both not has some great feats can match wonder woman strength,can you scan some wonder woman say Donna Troy, Wonder Girl.is equal to her strength?
here:even in the GA,the amazon not in the wonder woman strength level,they are would be stronger than best man but nothing like wonder woman
also, Donna Troy, Wonder Girl strength feats is poor,both never prove they are really in the wonder woman strength level
@skunkstein: Oh no, an average aesir can lift over 30 tons.
Amazons have appeared in Demon Knights. The New 52 amazons don't seem to be that powerful like the super amazons of pre-coie. They do seem to be immortal.
NOW that some COOL scans. Where you come up with these from and what year and issue are they from?
here:even in the GA,the amazon not in the wonder woman strength level,they are would be stronger than best man but nothing like wonder woman
also, Donna Troy, Wonder Girl strength feats is poor,both never prove they are really in the wonder woman strength level
@gwhh: wonder woman v1...when I read them,I saved them,i dont really remember they are from which issue
I assume you have all heard of Exoristos from Demon Knights? Nowhere is it ever mentioned she is considered an abnormality amongst Amazons save for her exile and inability to fit into Hippolyta's rules and demand for discipline. And she can do this:
Awe man . . . now I have to get Demon Knights. . . Thanks for posting these scans though, great stuff!
Here is a amazon at least equal to diana in power from pre- new52.
In fact she is more powerful in the pre-new52.
She has not shown up in the new-52 or not yet.
Nubia- A Black wonder woman
Nubia / Nu'Bia
Nu'Bia from Wonder Woman (vol. 2) #1
Notable aliases
Wonder Woman
Abilities
All the powers of Wonder Woman. Nu'Bia also possesses the ability to open dimensional portals and a paralyzing "Cold Sight".
Powers and abilities
Nubia possessed a magic sword created by Mars which was the only weapon on Earth that could counteract Diana's magic lasso. She could also glide on air currents like Wonder Woman and possessed super-strength as well as all other Amazon abilities.
Post-Crisis
Nu'Bia wears special magical armor with a raised embossed lion's head on its breastplate. Nu'Bia has been shown traveling back and forth to Hades at will, and from there to other mythological realms. Typically when she is about to appear at a new location the lion's head on her armor appears as part of the doorway, suggesting that the armor may be the source of this ability. In honor of an ancient pact, the Gorgons of the underworld blessed Nu'Bia with the Cold Sight, which allows her to turn anyone to stone. She carries an unspecified magic sword.
Nu'Bia has 3,000 years of combat experience providing her expertise in both hand to hand combat as well as with hand held weapons. As a Themyscirian Amazon she also possesses immortality that allows her to live indefinitely in a youthful form, but does leave her open to potential injury and death depending on her actions. She also possesses enhanced strength and intelligence. As shown by fellow members of her tribe, she has the capability to break apart steel and concrete with her bare hands, jump over 12 feet from a standing position, has a high durability factor, enhanced healing, and the ability to absorb and process a vast amount of knowledge in a short period of time.
Nu'Bia, in addition to the other Themyscirian Amazons, possesses the ability to relieve her body of physical injury and toxins by becoming one with the Earth's soil and then reforming her body whole again. The first time Diana does this she prays to her god Gaea saying: "Gaea, I pray to you. Grant me your strength. You are the Earth who suckled me, who nurtured and bred me. Through you all life is renewed. The circle which never ends. I pray you, mother Gaea, take me into your bosom. Please, let me be worthy." During writer John Byrne's time on the comic it was stated that this is a very sacred ritual to the Themyscirians, only to be used in the most dire of circumstances.
Nubia greets Diana,
art by Ramona Fradon.
Amazons of Themyscira
History
The Amazons of Themyscira are a race of immortal warrior women that live on the mystically hidden island of Themyscira. They were created by a coterie of Olympian gods over three thousand years ago to serve as their messengers to the world in the name of peace and justice. The youngest and most powerful of the Amazons, Princess Diana, left her protective nation of sisterhood, renouncing her immortality to fight the forces of evil in Man's World as Wonder Woman!
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Amazons_of_Themyscira
Amazons (DC Comics)
Origin
The Amazons of Paradise Island were first created by William Moulton Marston as part of the origin story of his creation, Wonder Woman. These Amazons were a race of immortal super-women that lived on the magical Paradise Island. Favored by Aphrodite, the Goddess of Love, the Amazons thrived in peace for centuries, but remained aloof from the world of Man. The youngest and most powerful of the Amazons, Princess Diana, left her protective nation of sisterhood, renouncing her immortality to fight the forces of evil in Man's World as Wonder Woman.
Superhuman strength, speed, reflexes, stamina, durability, superior hand-to-hand and weapons combat skills
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons_%28DC_Comics%29
The Amazons' Gifts
The people of Paradise Island are by all accounts ageless, appearing as adult women in their prime, despite being over three thousand years old.
Universally they are skilled in all forms of armed and unarmed combat that was present in the Hellenistic World. Their long lives spent in training for combat having honed their skills in these styles to near supernatural levels, such as piercing the throat of a jet pilot with a bow and arrow.
As a boon from the gods, all amazons posses superhuman strength and durability, though they all vulnerable to piercing attacks. Such as Artemis once easily overpowering Batman, but was sedated with a tranquilizer.
Despite their conservative society and preferred way of living, the Amazons are a technologically advanced people having created such items as the Purple Healing Ray and its opposite the Purple Death Ray and in some incarnations been responsible for creating the Invisible Plane Wonder Woman pilots. In the latest incarnation however the plane was originally an alien device given to Diana, since then replaced with a plane from Wayne Enterprise with the same abilities.
http://www.comicvine.com/amazons-of-themyscira/4060-42494/
Amazon powers and abilities
All Themyscirian Amazons possess various degrees of superhuman strength, speed, stamina and extraordinarily acute senses which were gifts blessed to them by their gods. As shown by various tribe members, they have the capability to break apart steel and concrete with their bare hands,jump over 12 feet from a standing position, have a high durability factor, enhanced healing, and the ability to absorb and process a vast amount of knowledge in a short period of time. Themyscirian Amazons also possesses immortality that allows them to live indefinitely in a youthful form, but does leave them open to potential injury and death depending on their actions. They also have developed high levels of hand-to-hand combat training, mastered over 3,000 years, and are experts in the use of various hand held weapons.
Themyscirian Amazons also possess the ability to relieve their bodies of physical injury and toxins by becoming one with the Earth's soil and then reforming their bodies whole again. The first time Diana does this she prays to her god Gaea saying: "Gaea, I pray to you. Grant me your strength. You are the Earth who suckled me, who nurtured and bred me. Through you all life is renewed. The circle which never ends. I pray you, mother Gaea, take me into your bosom. Please, let me be worthy." During writer John Byrne's time on the comic it was stated that this is a very sacred ritual, to be used only in the most dire of circumstances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themyscira_%28DC_Comics%29#Amazon_powers_and_abilities
Nubia
An Amazon warrior who was charged by the Greek Gods with defending the entrance to the river Styx and the Tartarus Gate. Sometime during her time in the underworld, Nu'bia met the Zoroastrian god of light, Ahura Mazda, and became his lover. Nu'bia sided with Wonder Woman.
History
Nubia was Wonder Woman's "black sister", created from black clay, just as Diana was created from white clay. Both were brought to life by Aphrodite, but Nubia was stolen by Ares/Mars (the Greek and Roman names were interchangeable, and more often than not, the Roman names were used. Mars was one of the gods whose Roman name was used.), so Nubia did not get the powers that was given to Diana.
Mars raised Nubia to be his warrior, giving her a special ring to keep her mind clouded. Years later, Diana met Nubia, who became her roommate. After several battles, Wonder Woman was able to release Nubia from Mars' control, when she used the heat of the sun, reflected off her bracelets, to cause the ring to expand and fall off. Nubia defied Mars, and optioned to lead her warriors to the ways of peace. It was then that Queen Hippolyte revealed the truth: Nubia was Diana's sister!
Nubia is also seen in a few issues of Superfriends, in which she is wearing a costume inspired by Wonder Woman:
A gold disc with a red feather in the top center.
A blue, strapless, legless bodysuit with yellow ovals over the breasts.
A pair of white gauntlets, over which are a pair of Amazon bracelets.
Tall, yellow boots, with the top edges folded down.
Nubia costume inspired by Wonder Woman
Other Versions
Earth-23
In the last issue of Final Crisis, a new Nubia appears as the Wonder Woman of Earth-23 and has regular dealing with the Superman of her Earth.
She differs from the New Earth Diana in that she seems to be based on (the equivalent of on her Earth) and has complete access to its technology and mystical devices, suggesting her position may be more akin to Queen Hippplyta rather than Diana.
Nubia's Wonder Woman armor is different from that of the New Earth Diana in that has actual body plates covering her abdomen area showing stomach muscles in grey plate.
The specific background of has yet to be fully revealed at this time.
Pre-Crisis
Nubia possessed a magic sword created by Mars/Ares which was the only weapon on Earth that could counteract Diana's magic lasso. She could also glide on air currents like Wonder Woman and possessed super-strength as well as all other Amazon abilities.
Post-Crisis
Nu'Bia wears special magical armor with a raised embossed lion's head on its breastplate. Nu'Bia has been shown traveling back and forth to Hades at will, and from there to other mythological realms. Typically when she is about to appear at a new location the lion's head on her armor appears as part of the doorway, suggesting that the armor might be the source of this ability. In honor of an ancient pact, the Gorgons of the underworld blessed Nu'Bia with the Cold Sight, which allows her to turn anyone to stone. She carries an unspecified magic sword. She possesses super-human strength and all other abilities equal to that of a standard Themyscirian Amazon and has millennia of experience in fighting and killing demons.
Powers and abilities
Nubia's Powers are thought to be just like her sister Diana since they both were made the same way.
Superhuman Strength: She has the ability to lifted far in excess of 100 tons.
Superhuman Durability: Nubia possesses a high resistance to damage and magical attacks. Like Wonder Woman Nubia is extremely resistant to blunt force attacks.
Flight: Nubia is capable of unassisted flight through magical means.
Superhuman Reflexes: Nubia was easily able to keep up with Wonder Woman in a Hand-to-Hand battle and she possesses reflex abilities similar to speedsters, such as the Flash. Batman noted that Wonder Woman's reflexes are superior to that of even Superman himself.
Superhuman Speed: Since Nubia has superhuman-reflexes her speed should be on the same level as Wonder Woman's.
Superhuman Agility: Nubia's agility is far beyond that of even an olympic level athlete.
Superhuman Stamina: Nubia can last a great deal of time in any fight and with virtually anyone. She has held her own in combat with foes as powerful as a Wonder Woman.
Healing: Nubia can heal at superhuman levels.
Superhuman Senses: All five of Nubia senses can be used at an superhuman degree.
Hand-to-Hand Combat: Nubia is a trained warrior and can fight with the best of the best.
Weaknesses
Nubia is somewhat vulnerable to piercing weapons, such as projectiles.
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http://www.comicvine.com/nubia/4005-34121/
@jphulk26 - Nice to see I´m added to a conversation I didn´t even enter. Good to know I´m thought of. I hink the OP question is just the wrong way to think about things. I guess cause I always think as a writer, where as many think as fans. I honestly think again it is entirely dependent on the story being told. My preference is the only superpower they have is immortality and that they only seem superpowered because they are such skilled warriors. I think that make them badass and makes ww special or unique.
But again to me this question is like asking, how fast is the batmobile? Or how smart is Superman? Or how technologically advanced are the Amazons? It depends on the story you´re trying to tell about the character, as long as it does not violate or corrupt their core story and mythology, I don´t think it matters.
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