The Amazon princess, blessed with god-like super abilities, Wonder Woman is one of Earth's most powerful defenders of peace, justice, and equality and a member of the Justice League. She is considered an archetype for many heroines outside of comic book. Her initial origin depicted her as a clay baby brought to life by patron goddess Aphrodite, but in recent years she has been depicted as the daughter of Zeus and Amazon queen Hippolyta.
I was pretty torn on it each issue up to Convergence. I thought WW's voice was inconsistent, both w/in the title and from other DCU titles she appeared in. I thought she was too whiny and there was some dialog that seemed aimed at 8 year olds (which there's nothing wrong w/, just not for me).
I decided to switch to trades so I haven't read any of it yet. I doubt it can be much worse then Azzarello though.
Then you will be unpleasantly surprised. Not only didn't Lady Finch jettison the stuff the Wonder Woman purists hate about the new 52, she added more bad stuff. It's one of those you can't love or love to hate, you just patiently wait it out
I decided to switch to trades so I haven't read any of it yet. I doubt it can be much worse then Azzarello though.
Then you will be unpleasantly surprised. Not only didn't Lady Finch jettison the stuff the Wonder Woman purists hate about the new 52, she added more bad stuff. It's one of those you can't love or love to hate, you just patiently wait it out
I think that once you finally come to terms with Wonder Woman's rebirth as the offspring of Zeus brought up in a nation of good-for-nothing female barbarians, you'll see that Azzarello had the best take on this post-relaunch incarnation of Wonder Woman while M.Finch is contending with Soule for the wooden spoon.
The first issue of this run had great promise, but, than the Finch(es) started writing a continuation of the Azzarello run ever since. This is not to say anything about the Azzarello run one way or the other, I was just expecting a completely different take on the character, and their first issue lead me to believe that it would happen. There's still a chance to back up to their first issue and make their own take on the character. The Finch(es), and everyone who writers Wonder Woman in other places like Justice League, need to introduce Dr. Psycho as a Wonder Woman villain. I definitely would like them to close out the current story arc as soon as next issue and at least take a different direction, if not introduce Dr. Psycho; I want them to scrap plans to introduce a new villain and go back to Wonder Woman's villains and modernize them; the only villain that has not had such exposure so far, relative to Wonder Woman, is Dr. Psycho, so start with him.
The first issue of this run had great promise, but, than the Finch(es) started writing a continuation of the Azzarello run ever since. This is not to say anything about the Azzarello run one way or the other, I was just expecting a completely different take on the character, and their first issue lead me to believe that it would happen. There's still a chance to back up to their first issue and make their own take on the character. The Finch(es), and everyone who writers Wonder Woman in other places like Justice League, need to introduce Dr. Psycho as a Wonder Woman villain. I definitely would like them to close out the current story arc as soon as next issue and at least take a different direction, if not introduce Dr. Psycho; I want them to scrap plans to introduce a new villain and go back to Wonder Woman's villains and modernize them; the only villain that has not had such exposure so far, relative to Wonder Woman, is Dr. Psycho, so start with him.
DC already introduced Dr Psycho in Superboy, he's some pissed off telepathic teenager with a bald head covered in scars. And there was no mention of his famous misogyny. It was pretty terribad.
The first issue of this run had great promise, but, than the Finch(es) started writing a continuation of the Azzarello run ever since. This is not to say anything about the Azzarello run one way or the other, I was just expecting a completely different take on the character, and their first issue lead me to believe that it would happen. There's still a chance to back up to their first issue and make their own take on the character. The Finch(es), and everyone who writers Wonder Woman in other places like Justice League, need to introduce Dr. Psycho as a Wonder Woman villain. I definitely would like them to close out the current story arc as soon as next issue and at least take a different direction, if not introduce Dr. Psycho; I want them to scrap plans to introduce a new villain and go back to Wonder Woman's villains and modernize them; the only villain that has not had such exposure so far, relative to Wonder Woman, is Dr. Psycho, so start with him.
DC already introduced Dr Psycho in Superboy, he's some pissed off telepathic teenager with a bald head covered in scars. And there was no mention of his famous misogyny. It was pretty terribad.
I know he's already been introduced in Superboy and I made a whole post about it in the Wonder Woman's Joker or Lex Luthor thread, but I don't know all the details of Dr. Psycho's new background. He was also briefly introduced in Justice League where there might have been a connection to Wonder Woman, along with a possible misogyny background. My point was that he needs to be introduced in an interaction with Wonder Woman, preferably in her own book.
I like this run waaaay better than Azzarello's. Sure Meredith has kept everything I hated about his, but it's a lot more centric to Wonder Woman and her world. There's not umpteen flashier characters crowding her out of her own book. The story focuses on superhero adventure, more than a warrior's quest, for the most part and the art while terribly inconsistent still is better than Chiang's. I've also been genuinely surprised by some of the turn of events, like the First Born revelation, the Hippolyta soup mix that created Donna Troy and the slaughtering of the male Amazons. As hard as it was to watch, they had to go. Paradise Island should only be for women, even if they are man hating, backstabbing harpies and it doesn't look quite as primitive as it did in Azzarello's run. At least we have the Greek columns and Donna Troy back.
I like this run waaaay better than Azzarello's. Sure Meredith has kept everything I hated about his, but it's a lot more centric to Wonder Woman and her world. There's not umpteen flashier characters crowding her out of her own book. The story focuses on superhero adventure, more than a warrior's quest, for the most part and the art while terribly inconsistent still is better than Chiang's. I've also been genuinely surprised by some of the turn of events, like the First Born revelation, the Hippolyta soup mix that created Donna Troy and the slaughtering of the male Amazons. As hard as it was to watch, they had to go. Paradise Island should only be for women, even if they are man hating, backstabbing harpies and it doesn't look quite as primitive as it did in Azzarello's run. At least we have the Greek columns and Donna Troy back.
I'd rather Donna Troy stay gone than have this version.
I like this run waaaay better than Azzarello's. Sure Meredith has kept everything I hated about his, but it's a lot more centric to Wonder Woman and her world. There's not umpteen flashier characters crowding her out of her own book. The story focuses on superhero adventure, more than a warrior's quest, for the most part and the art while terribly inconsistent still is better than Chiang's. I've also been genuinely surprised by some of the turn of events, like the First Born revelation, the Hippolyta soup mix that created Donna Troy and the slaughtering of the male Amazons. As hard as it was to watch, they had to go. Paradise Island should only be for women, even if they are man hating, backstabbing harpies and it doesn't look quite as primitive as it did in Azzarello's run. At least we have the Greek columns and Donna Troy back.
I'd rather Donna Troy stay gone than have this version.
I hope Wonder Woman wraps her lasso around her and set her on fire like she did to Martian Manhunter. The Fishes has ruined a character that could've been great.
I like this run waaaay better than Azzarello's. Sure Meredith has kept everything I hated about his, but it's a lot more centric to Wonder Woman and her world. There's not umpteen flashier characters crowding her out of her own book. The story focuses on superhero adventure, more than a warrior's quest, for the most part and the art while terribly inconsistent still is better than Chiang's. I've also been genuinely surprised by some of the turn of events, like the First Born revelation, the Hippolyta soup mix that created Donna Troy and the slaughtering of the male Amazons. As hard as it was to watch, they had to go. Paradise Island should only be for women, even if they are man hating, backstabbing harpies and it doesn't look quite as primitive as it did in Azzarello's run. At least we have the Greek columns and Donna Troy back.
I'd rather Donna Troy stay gone than have this version.
I hope Wonder Woman wraps her lasso around her and set her on fire like she did to Martian Manhunter. The Fishes has ruined a character that could've been great.
agreed ... Donna deserved better ... even the Wally fans must be thinking "wow, it CAN be worse"
I've been having mixed emotions. It feels like for every amazing issue there is a terrible one. I don't like seeing Diana complain so much. I hate having to see the Justice League in almost every issue. She's a strong independent woman who don't need no league! I do prefer the artwork but even then sometimes it looks too strange. I do enjoy the concept and the direction of were the book is going but I don't like the way it's getting there. The dialogue seems really forced and lazy but once again the idea behind it seems great. Ugh, why can't they get a co.writer or maybe just a different writer.
I never even bothered to continue after the end of Azzarello and Chiang's run, I already knew that anything coming after them, if not taken up by another inspired duo, is just going to be throw away garbage.
It's been a roller coaster. One issue was good then the next bad then the next was good again. I liked the Annual but I'm not sure if I'm willing to continue the title. I'll give the new creative team another chance and hope the writing gets better and the art stays consistent with the job done on the annual.
Still better than Azz. Same sh!t, but at least it happens a lot faster.
if by faster you mean truncated and half-@ssed then I agree!
I can understand people not liking Azzarello's run since he did something new and unfamiliar with fans. To think the Finches' atrocious that they call creativity was any better is a different story.
It's been a roller coaster. One issue was good then the next bad then the next was good again. I liked the Annual but I'm not sure if I'm willing to continue the title. I'll give the new creative team another chance and hope the writing gets better and the art stays consistent with the job done on the annual.
You liked the annual, I didn't think that was possible tbh, and how can the art stay consistent when it's always been inconsistent...
It's been a roller coaster. One issue was good then the next bad then the next was good again. I liked the Annual but I'm not sure if I'm willing to continue the title. I'll give the new creative team another chance and hope the writing gets better and the art stays consistent with the job done on the annual.
You liked the annual, I didn't think that was possible tbh, and how can the art stay consistent when it's always been inconsistent...
Say what you will but the art is an improvement from Chiang's 2 dimensional and minimalist work. Seriously Azz carried the team on that run. And that's why I said "hope". Quite frankly I'd rather have someone like Brian Buccellato writing and Andy Kubert doing art on the book for a long term. But the Finchs aren't doing a terrible job on the book and I think they could improve.
Finches aren't doing anything better than Azz and yes, it's truncated and half-@ssed, but I would take fast cr@p over slow cr@p any day of the week.
But I have two things to say about the Finches:
1) I'm not a great fan of the art (ranges from nice to atrocious), but at least it's not Chiang (coloring book art... sorry, he's not bad, but I don't like his 2D, minimalist, blocky art... only thing I like are postures).
2) They are bad for a number of deserved reasons, but they just founded their cr@p on the cr@p Azz served them and weren't experienced/talented enough to do any better.
Finches aren't doing anything better than Azz and yes, it's truncated and half-@ssed, but I would take fast cr@p over slow cr@p any day of the week.
But I have two things to say about the Finches:
1) I'm not a great fan of the art (ranges from nice to atrocious), but at least it's not Chiang (coloring book art... sorry, he's not bad, but I don't like his 2D, minimalist, blocky art... only thing I like are postures).
2) They are bad for a number of deserved reasons, but they just founded their cr@p on the cr@p Azz served them and weren't experienced/talented enough to do any better.
My problem with the Finchs is that they've regressed the story rather than moved it forward. Azzarello wasn't for everyone, you don't like him so I'm not going to even attempt to discuss it with you, but he did leave the solo series pretty wide open ... tabula rasa so to speak ... the Finchs could have done just about anything they wanted to with their run, they chose to take a path that deconstructed the Amazon's and made Diana a whiney little girl. Blaming Azzarello for their poor choices is ridiculous.
Still better than Azz. Same sh!t, but at least it happens a lot faster.
if by faster you mean truncated and half-@ssed then I agree!
I can understand people not liking Azzarello's run since he did something new and unfamiliar with fans. To think the Finches' atrocious that they call creativity was any better is a different story.
I liked the story, didn't love all the elements, but it was entertaining for me. I do find it highly amusing that so many people want to blame Azzarello for all things bad about WW ... he's not the devil folks, just a writer who wanted to tell a specific story and had the clout to get his way. I wish we had more of that kind of freedom ... I loved that WW solo series wasn't dragged in every crossover and lame editorial event for 3 years! Kept the flow of the book clean and easy to read and follow.
@csg_cl: The story was definitely good. The elements weren't really there but I am fine with it. Azzarello isn't the direct problem but he accidentally (emphasis on that) set Wonder Woman up for other writers to have her all over the place. I do prefer to have more freedom in the writing than to do something that is forced though. He was really the only one that kept focus on her story rather than outside stories.
@csg_cl: The story was definitely good. The elements weren't really there but I am fine with it. Azzarello isn't the direct problem but he accidentally (emphasis on that) set Wonder Woman up for other writers to have her all over the place. I do prefer to have more freedom in the writing than to do something that is forced though. He was really the only one that kept focus on her story rather than outside stories.
I also enjoyed the simplified art of Chiang/Sodzuko ... admittedly that took some time to appreciate, but once I got into it I really find myself missing it! Probably why I liked the second story in the Annual more than the first.
@scorpio_cassadine: I'm far too tired of redemption stories to even look at this one. Redemption seems to be the go-to storyline for just about everyone these days. So far in this series and the last one I've come to the conclusion that DC just doesn't like the amazons and they aren't too fond of Donna either. Reminds me of Amazon's Attack. The only difference between this run and Azzarello's run is the body count. I'd rather have the title canceled than see Donna and the amazon's continue slaughtering their way through innocents.
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