I been trying to touch my finger on whats wrong with the New 52 interpretation of Wonder Woman. I think might have found the problem. Someone clearly didn't like the direction she was going in and decided to modify most of her history with the reboot. Did it benefit her? Most fans would disagree. Her new history seems more like a fan fiction or else world background than something you would see in canon. The reboot has gain new fans while also unsatisfying long-term fans. Here are some important questions: What can a creative team do to balance out Wonder Woman's old aspects and new aspects? How can they satisfy the majority of Wonder Woman's fanbase?

Its not fan fiction, it approved by DC. This is the new Canon.

The reboot has gain new fans while also unsatisfying long-term fans. Here are some important questions: What can a creative team do to balance out Wonder Woman's old aspects and new aspects? How can they satisfy the majority of Wonder Woman's fanbase?

I like where they have gone. However I am not a WW fan, and only follow along with her in the JL book. Maybe soon die hard fans woul care more, but from what I have heard it seems like they have done a lot to improve WW.

I also prefer her new origin story.

They need to remove the bad fan fiction and rediscover WW. There is no WW without her true (and widely superior) origin, personality, cast, mission, spirit...

"Approved by DC" makes this travesty just sad, not canon. New52 isn't salvageable, only rebootable. It's broken at its core.

If someone is not interest in a character without changing it, then he has no business at all around that character.

@hawk80: well said

How is it not Canon? This is a DC book. Written by authors hired by DC to sell. Any stories they create are part of the mythos.

New 52 is doing fine in my opinion. There have been good stories and bad. I don't think its the New 52 universe that is the problem, but the lack of good writers on key books.

I like her new Godly roots and power set. I think that there are some aspects that can be explored more deeply as far as her attributes and accessories like the lasso and battle attire to further enrich the character. I also feel that characters like Steve Trevor and Etta Candy should not be stuck in the periphery of her world but grounded supporting cast members, tethering and anchoring her to "Man's World".

I would really like to peal away her Zena Warrior Princess persona, but the nature of her heritage does present a problem with the older theme of fighting for peace, a premise swimming in oxymoron.

Does it feel like Fan Fiction . . . . I see where that statement is coming from and I try to keep in mind that the Powers that be want to increase the sales figured of title and will try new ways to achieve that, to make Wonder Woman more appealing.

I don't think she needs a reboot, there are always creative ways to work everything out that will tie everything together and give Wonder Woman the characterization that she deserves, give the fans what they desire from the title, and attract new readers to attain higher earnings.

The New 52 version sucks. Like Hawk80 said, you don't put a writer that dislikes a character in charge of their reboot. That strategy is flawed from it's inception. They could improve her by elaborating on her history in the new continuity and expanding and explaining her role and powers as God of War, but DC seems too lazy to do that. They'd rather have her swimming in the toxic soup of inexperience and bad writing that's the recipe of Finch's run. If they don't care, why should we?

^ Bingo

Somaya is talking that the quality of the new WW story is poor like fanfictions and/or have similarities like fanfictions cliches, that comment is not questioning if it is canon or not

You're gonna need to be more specific people.

What part of her story sounds like fanfiction to you and why?

What the hell, fan fiction? As opposed to her nonfictional biography? What's that even supposed to mean? Only writers that want to write Wonder Woman stories (in other words, fans of Wonder Woman) write Wonder Woman stories. It's ALL fan fiction.

They'll probably retcon the character soon to match the upcoming Wonder Woman movie and there's pretty good reason to believe Snyder and Capullo will be the ones doing it, we're waiting for Capullo to wrap up the tv pitch he's working on with Mark Millar.

Everything after the original creator is fanfiction.

BB

@billy_batson: In that case, none of it is canon then :).

The story azzarello told was good IMO and the first born was an excellent addition but as I've said before the entire reworking of the Amazon's and Diana's origin was deplorable and ultimately an attempt to give her the stereotypical tragic backstory because everyone thibks heroes need some batmanification or something instead of just making new characters

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@agent41: Azzarello is a WW fan, he just didn't care for her until he started writing her. Nice try though trying to disregard his work. Would definitely work on a forum with people of outdated mindset who always think they make up for the majority of the fanbase.

No he's not. He wrote her until he liked her, after ditching most of the things that made her Wonder Woman along the way and turning her into his own creation. That's not the same thing as appreciating a character initially and wanting to do what's best for them. He executed his vision with no regard for what makes her fans like her and he did his best to disrespect those fans while doing it.

@deathfalcon182: if you weren't a fan of her until you changed core parts of her mythos that says alot

There are 35 consecutive readable issues of Wonder Woman plus a #0 issue, Secret Origins issue and Villains Month one-shot in the New 52. That is a monumental achievement in the character's history.

QFT.

If he's only a fan once he's changed the whole character, then he doesn't count as a fan. He is a fan of his own creation, not Wonder Woman. This being said by someone who doesn't dislike the Azzarello run the way many on here do.

@saren: Sir, I could care less about what she achieved. That is so momumental for a DC character. I am referring to her poor quality stories and character development in the New 52.

Yeah saying something does not make it so. Her character was never touched, her characterization is pretty consistent compared to pre new 52 self. Did he have a few missteps? Sure. Was his take on the characters' mythos different than previous ones? Absolutely. Does not make ones work "fan fiction" or "garbage" or anything you guys claim. Furthermore his run received critical claim and the new and old fans loved it alike. Step out of this forums to some larger communities on internet and you'll see. You guys here can think whatever you want, mentality of vocal minority =/= actual truth. In the end everyone is entitled to their opinion however right or wrong they are.

No actually what you're referring to is the inner hatred you have built up for everything that DC does regarding the character. You'll dismiss work of any creator as long as it has new 52 label on it, you'll dismiss Earth One which is as close to the Marston's original intent as it'll ever get because you hate Morrison and quick to dismiss his work too. Ah what was it? Yes, "DC needs to put sex scenes in WW:E1 otherwise virgin men won't buy it and it'll tank." That was seriously the biggest lmfao moment I had on this board, thanks. Let's see you also hate the idea if Gadot being WW, expected at this point. Seriously this amount of salt can not be healthy for you. Advice would be let the hated go but if you can't, it's understandable. Fictional characters are very serious thing of course.

Maybe if writers weren't so arrogant as to think they can fix a character with little regard to the characters history then shed have gotten 35 consecutive issues worth of readable material much sooner.

@deathfalcon182: Anything else you want to tell me? Your post almost put me to sleep. I'm not going to address any of the points you made because it is nonsense.

@somayareece: The run with the Finches or Azzerallo's run?

@somayareece: Sure, I must be seeing things, my bad. It's not like there was a thread titled "Should there be sex scenes in WW : E1" or anything like that. Sorry for almost putting you to sleep with something I wrote on an internet board because that's entirely possible. I'll try to be more careful next time.

I think peace in the middle east can be achieved before that ever happens.

@agent41: Elaborate how her character is different from her pre new 52 self. I'm strictly talking Azz here. As for the characterization being different in all the new 52 books, Johns didn't know how to write her until Forever Evil and I didn't pay much attention to Soule's work. Again when you're talking about "facts", start presenting them instead of claiming stuff.

Firstly he was talking about the characterization not the changes to origin and the likes. Her powers did not change anything drastically that is you just being picky. And as much as I love Diana her "classic" supporting cast and villains wasen't much to start with.

@agent41: how does that translate to not a consistent characterization? It's the same as it was in Rucka's WW. It's like saying Morrison wrote a Batman that fights gods, solves cosmic mysteries, fights crime on global level and Snyder writes more Gotham centric Batman with grounded villains with dark humor and somehow they are completely different in characterization.

I swear like over half of the threads in the WW forum are full of complaints and whining. I'm actually amazed when I see a positive thread in this section.

When WW will be back, positive threads will be back too.

No they wont, because other people will just show up and complain... or maybe it's just same people.

A complaining bunch of azzarellites and new52ers is a really small price to pay. You would be surprised by the amount of hate you would remove by scrapping the bad fan-fiction that passes for WW these days...

Considering the people who liked Azzarello's run weren't the ones whining for 3,5 years, scrapping the current status wont change anything... especially not since the people who didn't like that run were the same people who complained under Simone, complained under JMS and is still complaining under Finch.

And if this is what passes as bad fanfiction, I'd love to read good fan fiction, because that must be tremendous.

@outside_85 said:

You have the right to have an opinion. Even this one, apparently...

They complained because azzarello ruined WW and will complain until his garbage will go away forever. Give back WW to the fans and fans will stop complaining. Is simple as that.

Do be mad at me for simply telling you what it was like.

And then they will find something else to complain about because they have no idea what they actually want, other than something to complain about.