as guy who seen it and been thru it that not what emasculating is beside now i wondering how grace know how it feels to be emasculated by his girlfriend she a woman she wouldn't understand

@marvel123: also if you want a great example of ww emasculating someone it would be orion when ww grab his ball and threatening to cut them of if he didnt start respecting her such a badass moment also he deserve it

@darknightspideyfanboy Lol oh yeah, who can forget that? Diana threatening to rip off Orion's balls is a much clearer example of emasculating! That would SURELY deprive him of strength. LOL

@darknightspideyfanboy: i do agree with that. side note: WW has always been portrayed well in animated tv series/movies (battle-wise) She gave superman the beatdown (thinking he was a monster) in jlu, she defeated mera, steve treavor, aquaman and shazam in jl flashpoint. she only lost once to aquaman in jlu because he cheaply took her into the water.

lol i'm sure orion deserved it

@archizoom: oh, no...i'm sorry if it sounded that way........that sounds extremely sexist. that's not at all what I was trying to do when i asked this question. lol lesson learned : think things through before posting.

in giving some characters good credibility/ reputation by using great feats (which every character needs) sometimes it goes to the detriment of other characters. for the flash is suppose to be the fastest hero in the dc universe (not because he's a male) and the kryptonians are known to be fast but still not nearly as fast as the flash. flash has one power, let the flash be in a league of his own. I'm Not saying that she's emasculating the flash by being tied in a race and i'm not saying that she shouldn't have super speed....however, when people post scans like this, trying to show she's just as fast as the flash; it's definitely a good feat for WW, but it kinda makes the flash seem less special.

@marvel123: I see and I agree with that, but if that's what's troubling you then your problem is with Superman .. He's almost as fast as the flash, almost as smart as the Bat, now Soule's gonna have Diana teach him the art of war so soon he'll be almost as skilled as Wonder Woman. He's only short of a ring.

@archizoom: maybe, thanks for the discussion though

@marvel123: that was good movie but in the comic i believe when clark came in diana and aquaman were easily over power the funny part is that this wasnt a bulk up superman but he look like he had anorexia

I think Azzarello's Wonder Woman has much more potential to emasculate other men than past incarnations. In the past, the fact that Diana could overpower almost any man with ease was emasculating enough by itself. Writers didn't need to go any further than that. However, with Azz's run, the encroachment of male influence in Diana's life has made her a bit too masculine for my taste.

@archizoom:

Its what I've been saying for ages, Superman is at the level now where he doesn't really need the rest of the JL!

As for Azzarello's Wonder Woman, I haven't read that much of his run, but I am still waiting for her to take a victory against ANY heavyweight male character. I thought when she took off her bracelets in Issue 23 she was gonna give First Born a battle, but he quickly smashed her into the ground....

When she removed her bracers I thought she was going to at least put up some resistance before eventually losing this fight but as per usual it only took one hit. My guess is that the First-Born will fall but Diana won't be his conqueror, she and her friends will defeat him together. Apparently they vowed to give us nothing but endless humiliation while Superman pulls a new trick out is cute little kryptonian ass every month. Superman is the world's greatestdefender, his parents were the best scientists in Krypton, Lois is the best journalist on the planet, Lex Luthor is the world's most intelligent men, Brainiac the most intelligent entity in the Universe so since all superlatives are Superman's due he needs a Universe of his own where he can destroy galaxies with a sneeze.

@archizoom:

So I take it you're not the biggest Superman fan in the world lol!

Actually the only consolation I could take from the First Born WW fight was that First Born gave Orion an even bigger beating before WW came in and Orion usually gives Superman a good run for his money as seen in Superman # 20.

..but for me, taking off the bracers should be like Wolverine going bezerker, it should make a difference.

Why DO comic book writers have to nerf female characters? Katniss Everdene wasn't nerfed in Hunger Games and Lara Croft dished out some beatings in Tomb raider and does anyone remember those old Cynthia Rothrock China O'Brien martial arts films from the late 80s, early 90s? She kicked ass!!

@bezza: I like Superman, what I don't like is how they handle him, in contrast to how they handle everybody else. I like the shy, awkward Clark from Kansas, but I loathe Kal-El, the Kryptonian Aristocrat. I believe we could have an amazing Superman without overdoing it. Superman is like that exceptionally good-looking friend that really just makes you feel like shit.