Does WW emasculate male characters at times?

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#1 Posted by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio

Back in the day, when female comic characters weren't as popular and the women's activist movements were occurring, I could see the need for writers to show that WW truly meant business and wasn't a "force to be reckoned with" through emasculation (sort of). I still notice a few instances where she does that; and In this day and age, i don't think writers need to show her emasculating other male characters.

#2 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman emasculates everyone, not just male characters.

#3 Posted by Experio (14125 posts) - - Show Bio

Its necessarily in her character.

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#4 Posted by Muffin_Sangria (504 posts) - - Show Bio

So if Wonder Woman beats anyone else then it means she's emasculating them?

#5 Posted by ArchiZoom (1006 posts) - - Show Bio

Has Wonder Woman ever emasculated someone or you mean emasculate as in the shame of being beaten by a woman?

#6 Posted by ArchiZoom (1006 posts) - - Show Bio

Are you saying Wonder Woman should never again beat a man because it emasculates them (?) that all her foes should be female (?)

#7 Posted by Jayc1324 (9294 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes. Its not always a bad thing but yes she does.

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#8 Posted by Jayc1324 (9294 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam: was she able to do that by just guessing where the bullet was gonna go or does she have some other sense to tell her? Like what if the person would've shot at her lower body? Would she know to block there? While blindfolded I mean

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#9 Edited by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizoom: @muffin_sangria: certainly not......to me, giving someone a beatdown isn't the same as emasculating them. don't get me wrong, i like seeing powerful female characters, but i just don't see the need to have them emasculate males (whether it's through action or words)....I was thinking about a scene in the justice league war movie when i wrote this. Out of all the female characters (whether hero or villain) i've seen this recurring trend mostly with WW.

I'm guessing having a background where females are entirely independent, and self sufficient, ect........writers feel the need to throw in subtle comments or have her do certain things to promote "girl power"

#10 Edited by WonderWomanFan8 (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@awesam: was she able to do that by just guessing where the bullet was gonna go or does she have some other sense to tell her? Like what if the person would've shot at her lower body? Would she know to block there? While blindfolded I mean

She was blind at this point. And she wasn't just relying on her hearing. She was actually using her senses to detect changes in the air pressure around her to track movement. Ugh, that scene was so badass!

#11 Posted by darknightspideyfanboy (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: who are these male character you speak of?

#13 Posted by ArchiZoom (1006 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@awesam: was she able to do that by just guessing where the bullet was gonna go or does she have some other sense to tell her? Like what if the person would've shot at her lower body? Would she know to block there? While blindfolded I mean

She was blind at this point. And she wasn't just relying on her hearing. She was actually using her senses to detect changes in the air pressure around her to track movement. Ugh, that scene was so badass!

Yes but Black Canary should've died in that scene

#14 Edited by WonderWomanFan8 (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@wonderwomanfan8 said:

@jayc1324 said:

@awesam: was she able to do that by just guessing where the bullet was gonna go or does she have some other sense to tell her? Like what if the person would've shot at her lower body? Would she know to block there? While blindfolded I mean

She was blind at this point. And she wasn't just relying on her hearing. She was actually using her senses to detect changes in the air pressure around her to track movement. Ugh, that scene was so badass!

Yes but Black Canary should've died in that scene

LMAOOO...well I don't think she was trying to kill anyone. LOL

#15 Posted by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio

@darknightspideyfanboy: it could be anybody, but i was thinking about the scene in justice league war, where she uses her lasso on a random protester and gets him to confess that he cross-dresses in a WW costume. lol........i just had to think to myself, was that really necessary?.

#16 Posted by deaditegonzo (3624 posts) - - Show Bio

She has put Batman in his place on occasion, and of all characters he needs that. (And of course Batman has shown her up as well)

#17 Posted by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizoom: lol, well....there wasn't any Castrating in this movie.

artemis threatened to castrate steve treavor in the 2009 animated movie.....if that makes you feel better

#18 Posted by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizoom

@jayc1324 said:

Yes. Its not always a bad thing but yes she does.

I'd agree with this response

#19 Edited by darknightspideyfanboy (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: lol that guy was ass calling her a whore even holding ww doll hanging on a noose beside she wanted know what he had against her,he tell her,she called BS and used the lasso to find out the truth lol

#20 Posted by ArchiZoom (1006 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: lol that guy was ass calling her a whore even holding ww doll hanging on a noose beside she wanted know what he had against her,he tell her,she called BS and used the lasso to find out the truth lol

yes since the guy enjoys wearing women's clothes i'd say he voluntarily emasculates himself. She even kindly told him to embrace that side of him.

#21 Edited by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio
#22 Posted by darknightspideyfanboy (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: no reason just for laugh i guess it was kinda funny imho

#23 Posted by modernww2fare (955 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

Yes. Its not always a bad thing but yes she does.

#24 Edited by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by darknightspideyfanboy (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: cause i laugh when she look surprise about the cross dressing like she didn't expect that

#27 Posted by youmessinwithme (1181 posts) - - Show Bio

WW Emasculates anything.

#28 Posted by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizoom: lol, I like strong female characters, but there's just something about the way WW is portrayed at times that brings me back to the some of the misandristic ideologies of the amazons. I don't really see that with many other female characters like,storm, faora, korra, sif, hawk girl, jean grey, super girl and others.

On the other hand, I do understand that she is in fact the front-runner for female heroes.....I understand that writers want to show that she is just as capable as any other hero...which she is.

And poor steve trevor, yes at times he is portrayed as WW's "theoretical lois lane" But i've never seen superman pimp slap lois lane, he's never kicked her in the genitals, he doesn't make her feel like less of a woman, ect. call it insecure or not, but I think this scene represent part of the problem. and again, its not female characters in general, it's just something that i noticed in WW.

#29 Edited by WonderWomanFan8 (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123 Well, you have to look at it from her perspective. She comes from a seemingly xenophobic, all-female society of warrior women. For the most part, they've been separated from men for thousands of years. So in pursuit of discovering her purpose, she ventures off into the outside world, and finds that man's world affirms many things that she learned on Paradise Island. She eventually sees that neither world is perfect, so she takes her beliefs along with what she learns from her experiences to bridge the gap between her ancient society and the modern world, in present times.

Actually, that's a great way to summarize her journey overall. She's a powerful and skilled warrior who lives a sheltered life on Themyscira. She searches for her purpose, which takes her on a heroic journey to the outside world. That's her right of passage. It's a coming of age story, where she's the bridge between her ancient society, and the modern world.

#30 Edited by ArchiZoom (1006 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: That's because Lois and Superman's relationship follows the natural order of things. He's the strong protective male, she's the delicate female like society believes dynamics between men and women should be. In Steve and Wonder Woman's relationship those gender roles are inverted. Since Steve is the delicate, vulnerable party, he's perceived as the female half of this relationship despite being decisively male. This is because people see relationships, even homosexual ones, in terms of male and female.

I actually thought Steve gave Diana a very princessy treatment in this movie and I wasn't very happy about that. It pissed me off that she wore heels in the end and agreed to be treated like a lady because I think conforming to those male/female clichés completely defeats the character of Wonder Woman.

#31 Posted by The Stegman (23033 posts) - - Show Bio

She can "Emasculate" me any time ;)

#32 Posted by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizoom: I see what you are saying regarding the male/female clichés

@wonderwomanfan8: very well said

Note: this isn't a rant against WW, or WW fans, it was just an observation that was influenced by something that was said in this video, so I figured i'd ask comic vine. check it out if u have time SKIP TO 12:30

thanks for commenting y'all

#33 Edited by darknightspideyfanboy (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: that fight with faora and zod ws aweome hopefully superman take what wonder woman said seriously and learn how to fight because against people his own stregnth superman was going to lose especially if there was two beside the wonder woman and superman fanboy(which grace is) are always going to complain about there favorite hero not doing enough remember issue 1 and the wonder woman fan complain alot about DD taking her out

#34 Posted by Farkam (4791 posts) - - Show Bio

Female heroes have to be portrayed as acting extra tough in order to compete with the numerous male ones. At least that's how I have always seen it. I prefer when they are written naturally instead of including all that "hurr durr I am just as good a men are!" crap.

#35 Posted by WonderWomanFan8 (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123 Meh, I watched at the point you suggested from that video, and from that I don't agree with her definition of "emasculating". By the definition I found, emasculating someone means to deprive them of strength, or to make someone 'effeminized' in some way. Diana displaying possessiveness of her man doesn't deprive Kal of strength and the act of doing that doesn't seem to be masculine nor feminine, cause both women and men have the capacity to be "possessive".

#36 Posted by ClarkKent12 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say she empowers women more than emasculating men.

#37 Edited by ArchiZoom (1006 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: She didn't read the previous numbers so she's obviously under the false idea that Superman is Wonder Woman's boy toy in this book. She's the diametral opposite of how Grace thought she was being written though. She glorified Superman's masculinity throughout, to her own detriment actually and I can prove this if need be.

#38 Edited by Johnni_Kun (289 posts) - - Show Bio

I got another question. Why should we care? Women portrayal in comics are bad. They never stack up to their male counterparts. And with Wonder Woman, it's probably worse. She is currently being used to as a way to stroke the egos of Superman fanboys.(The one female comic character that shouldn't even be in that type of role.) I don't think that would ever happen if the roles were reversed. I said if there is anyway to show her as being superior in some aspect, like her have it. Along as it doesn't make her look like a irrational brute.

#39 Posted by Bezza (3373 posts) - - Show Bio

...not at all, if Wonder Woman beating powerful male characters counts as emasculation then it is us guys that have the problem! @johnni_kun have you read Superman Wonder Woman 5 yet? You will see that WW saves superman's butt this time...

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#40 Edited by Johnni_Kun (289 posts) - - Show Bio

@bezza: Yes. And that was one issue. I'm waiting to see if Soule will still keep the equality in the later issues.(which I doubt it.) However, that's not the only place she is being portrayed with Superman recently. Johns's JL run. The Injustice comics.(other recent medias) I'm also not a fan of her in the book anyway.(Although it's better than the others.)

#41 Edited by ArchiZoom (1006 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnni_kun: no because if Soule put Wonder Woman and Superman on equal terms, that would be perceived by some as an attack on Superman's masculinity. I think we're counting our chicken before they hatch. In issue 5 she seemed mighty powerful, saved Superman and all, everyone's really stoked about that but in the next, she'll fight Faora 1o1 and will probably struggle with that. Soule might even have her literally say something along the lines of "She's stronger than me (cause she's kryptonian) but she's no Amazon" as to further glorify Superman, reminding us, again, that Superman>>Faora>WonderWoman = Superman>>>WW. Superman needs to be the strong protective male in any relationship because he's the paragon of masculinity. He doesn't fare well in different relationship formats.

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#43 Posted by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: this isn't a debate or a spite thread, it's just a question......so feel free to share your opinions

@archizoom: @wonderwomanfan8: @darknightspideyfanboy: thanks for the input guys/gals.....as i said, I saw this review and heard the statements she made regarding WW and i figured i'd ask more people what they thought about it. so far, there have been mixed views....i do respect everyone's opinions though.

#44 Posted by darknightspideyfanboy (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: Grace didn't read the 4 previous issues so she clearly got the wrong idea about Soule's Wonder Woman. She's the diametral opposite of what Grace thought she was being written as. She glorified Superman's masculinity throughout, to her own detriment actually and I can prove this if need be.

lol she a superman fanboy cause of her father if i remember correctly and yeah grace was nvr and i do mean nvr fan of the relationship even saying the sm/ww relationship is like incest because how similar they are

#45 Posted by Erik (31604 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: I've never seen her emasculate male characters.

#46 Posted by PapiNacho (2364 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, but that is just the natural course of being an awesome superhero. I mean Superman and Batman emasculate male characters all day, every day. Here is proof:

#47 Posted by ArchiZoom (1006 posts) - - Show Bio

@darknightspideyfanboy: I like her videos, she's a very knowledgeable lady but she's obviously not very fond of Wonder Woman. Grace is one of those individuals who postulate that Wonder Woman's design is "flawed", she puts the onus on the character and I couldn't disagree more with that

#48 Posted by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnni_kun: i'd love to see characters such as Kara be completely equal to their male counterpart...she's suppose to process sunlight faster than supes and they have the same physiology. and hey, like u were saying, there are some aspects about WW that are superior to supes (as seen in the pic above)

@darknightspideyfanboy: @erik: @archizoom: lol.....in this scenario superman knows WW and bats are right............but i was also thinking of this when i asked the question.

@papinacho: that was a pretty good episode, bats definitely took me for surprise

#49 Posted by darknightspideyfanboy (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: my answer stop worry about it really doesnt matter there always going to be a story where superman prove his better than WW and vice versa also that the superman fanboy(like grace) and ww fanboy(like so many that are here) will always argue because there favorite superhero didnt do enough or represent well enough

#50 Posted by ArchiZoom (1006 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: my answer stop worry about it really doesnt matter there always going to be a story where superman prove his better than WW and vice versa also that the superman fanboy(like grace) and ww fanboy(like so many that are here) will always argue because there favorite superhero didnt do enough or represent well enough

...but this notion that wonder woman being better than superman at something is emasculating still zooms over my head. It sounds like, being a man he's supposed to be better and if he isn't, he's less of a man.

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