Darwyn Cooke draws her as fat

#1 Posted by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

Darwyn Cooke is pretty underrated as far as cheesecake artists go, up there with Benes and Deodato. Sadly, he makes Wonder Woman look like a fat opera singer with a sword. I get less of a warrior princess superhero vibe and more of a Uwe Boll's Blubberella.

#2 Edited by Kraya (203 posts) - - Show Bio

I won't pretend to be an expert, but so far all Wonder Woman art I've seen from Cooke does not make her look "fat" at all. He rather presents her the way an ideal woman would have looked like in the... I dunno... 60s or 70s? She looks more curvy/ fleshy/ whatever you want to call it. I, personally, don't much like that look either, but "fat" is the wrong word for it. Here is an example for what I am referring to:

Now, if you meant a newer representation that does indeed make her look fat, I apologise. As I said, I am not an expert.

#3 Edited by dshipp17 (944 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd thought some type of custom drawing had been issued to someone; he just draws a beautify woman that is not either skin and bone or masculinity butch; she just has a realistic female frame; maybe unusual for comics but not in the way of the everyday female that's in good shape.

#4 Posted by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

http://comicsmakemehappy.blogspot.com/2011/03/new-new-wonder-woman-costume.html

#5 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, sure, that's fat

(Rolls eyes contemptibly)

#6 Posted by fodigg (6130 posts) - - Show Bio

Darwyn Cooke is pretty underrated as far as cheesecake artists go, up there with Benes and Deodato. Sadly, he makes Wonder Woman look like a fat opera singer with a sword. I get less of a warrior princess superhero vibe and more of a Uwe Boll's Blubberella.

Ridiculous. He may be my favorite Wonder Woman artist. That this:

—can be considered "fat" just shows how ridiculously skinny female superheroes are routinely drawn.

#7 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by Veshark (9057 posts) - - Show Bio

He draws her thick, not fat ;)

#9 Posted by joshmightbe (24434 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't like the stick figure chicks anyway so the art looks fine to me.

#10 Posted by Wolverine08 (37968 posts) - - Show Bio

She's thick, not fat. I like thick!

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#11 Posted by OmniBeast (475 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah... Fat is the entirely wrong way, I'd say thick.

#12 Posted by joshmightbe (24434 posts) - - Show Bio

Also Thick makes a lot more sense for an Amazon warrior than the skinny super model look.

#13 Edited by lolzstastic (214 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, because this totally needed to be a thread.

#14 Posted by RedLantern23 (883 posts) - - Show Bio

Do comic books really disillusion kids THIS much? There are so many things wrong with the OP I dont even know where to start.

#15 Posted by dmessmer (356 posts) - - Show Bio

My copy of Absolute New Frontier has been sitting on my shelf for quite some time now waiting for me to crack it open. This thread has inspired me to do so - because the drawings don't look fat, they look awesome!

#16 Posted by joshmightbe (24434 posts) - - Show Bio

@redlantern23: To be fair he does have Hollywood and the fashion industry desperately trying to convince everyone that anorexic chicks are hot as well. Personally I don't find visible skeletal structure to be sexy but I don't make the trends.

#17 Posted by TDK_1997 (14395 posts) - - Show Bio

He draws her more like a classic version of her.It is like the ideal shape of a woman in the 50's or 60's.

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#18 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

You have a terrible understanding of body types.

#19 Edited by AweSam (7360 posts) - - Show Bio

@redlantern23: Have you seen comic women? Of course this Wonder Woman would look thicker compared to most of the modern ones.

I don't think she's fat, just a bit chubby. I dislike how he draws her.

#20 Posted by fodigg (6130 posts) - - Show Bio

She's not even "thick" or "chubby", she's just not rail-skinny. She has curves, but he still draws her waist inhumanly skinny. If you don't like the art style—well hey that's a valid criticism—but why slag on the character using these particular body-shaming terms? Just say you prefer the modern style to the classic pinup.

To use these terms for what is clearly an idealized female body type, albeit one from the 40s-50s, well I don't see how that's going to make anyone who actually is rail-skinny or curvy or heavy-set feel better about themselves. Granted, that may not be your immediate goal, but why hate?

Personally I'm always pleased to see more variety in body types in superhero art.

Goddam right, Amanda, goddam right.

#21 Edited by RedLantern23 (883 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam: Thats the entire point though. This warped view of how a woman should look is getting out of hand. Its sad that someone could consider any Wonder Woman thats not drawn as a stick a "fat opera singer" in OP's words.

In this little thing called "reality" the Wonder Woman drawings in question are closer to the scale of an actual woman.

#22 Posted by AweSam (7360 posts) - - Show Bio

@redlantern23: Yes, because we want comics to be realistic. That's why we read about people who can fly and shoot lasers from their eyes. Your argument should include male heroes.

#23 Posted by Xwraith (14477 posts) - - Show Bio

She's not full-on fat.

And while we're at it chubby girls > twigs.

#24 Posted by etragedy (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually Darwyn Cooke draws in a retro style, so his Wonder Woman looks like a pinup from the Golden Age - go look at any of the nosecone artwork on WWII bombers and you will see similarly proportioned females.

#25 Posted by Bruxae (12132 posts) - - Show Bio

@xwraith said:

She's not full-on fat.

And while we're at it chubby girls > twigs.

#27 Posted by BumpyBoo (7604 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks like a pretty twisted definition of fat to me.

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#28 Edited by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

She is chunky, at the very least. I said fat, not morbidly obese.

#29 Edited by RedLantern23 (883 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam: thats a horrible comparison. People cant fly or shoot lasers out of their eyes. Body size is a real thing. And thats not the point. The point is, the OP has such a warped view of women that a he views a proportionately drawn woman as fat. Its ridiculous.

#30 Edited by SCORPIO_CASSADINE (707 posts) - - Show Bio

Aint nothin like a big girl.

#31 Edited by AweSam (7360 posts) - - Show Bio

@redlantern23: I wasn't comparing anything, I was making a point. I agree that she doesn't look fat, but I'm almost 100% sure he just over-reacted. Kind of like what you're doing.

#32 Posted by trebean (619 posts) - - Show Bio

@bruxae said:

@xwraith said:

She's not full-on fat.

And while we're at it chubby girls > twigs.

No, well for me anyway.

#33 Edited by Dernman (14606 posts) - - Show Bio

I really don't like his version. I like a taller, leaner, and more athletic with muscle definition looking version.

#34 Posted by RedLantern23 (883 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam: Your point really had nothing to do with what I said?

#35 Posted by AweSam (7360 posts) - - Show Bio

@redlantern23: You were comparing Wonder Woman to real women. I said comics and reality are two different things.

#36 Edited by dshipp17 (944 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997: That's actually the ideal shape of a beautify shaped woman from today too; I don't know about ideal for today versus 40s, 50s, and 60s, but I guess beauty and body shape are in the eyes of the beholder. She and her body look as good as a beautify and physically fit realistic woman should look right now in 2013. I don't know though; maybe it's that I'm a colored man while you're a white man. Those hips and behind are delightful for me and the things I look for in women.

#37 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

You're literally wrong all the time.

#38 Posted by dshipp17 (944 posts) - - Show Bio
#39 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

@dshipp17 said:

@knightrise: Do you mean I'm wrong all of the time?

Nope. You're new, so I'll explain the message-reply system. If I were talking to you, I'd have either hit reply or quote so that you'd receive a notification. Otherwise, most people won't go back and check a thread to figure out if someone was trying to talk to them.

#40 Posted by kfhrfdu_89_76k (3709 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

Also Thick makes a lot more sense for an Amazon warrior than the skinny super model look.

She wasn`t meant to be a warrior originally. More like a perfect woman, or something. Perfectness varies depending on the person you ask from, of course. And what time period one lives in.

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