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    The Amazon princess, blessed with god-like super abilities, Wonder Woman is one of Earth's most powerful defenders of peace, justice, and equality and a member of the Justice League. She is considered an archetype for many heroines outside of comic book. Her initial origin depicted her as a clay baby brought to life by patron goddess Aphrodite, but in recent years she has been depicted as the daughter of Zeus and Amazon queen Hippolyta.

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    Wonder Woman is a character who seems to be lacking in continuity constants. The only consistent things that always reappear in her stories are her mother, the amazons, Themyscira, and the lasso...Other than that, everything else has been pretty much a bit of a free for all.

    Are there any specific things you would like to be firmly established in her mythos, with no changes or retcons from writer to writer? Perhaps her power level, her rogues, supporting cast, or her home away from home?

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    Wonder Woman is a character who seems to be lacking in continuity constants. The only consistent things that always reappear in her stories are her mother, the amazons, Themyscira, and the lasso...Other than that, everything else has been pretty much a bit of a free for all.

    Are there any specific things you would like to be firmly established in her mythos, with no changes or retcons from writer to writer? Perhaps her power level, her rogues, supporting cast, or her home away from home?

    power levels most of the time are consistent so no problem with that,her rogue gallery is good but they need more exposure and good writting outside her title,and about her constant as a character,it is like i was talking to other user,when looking at her ctalogue as a whole,we could agree that she's compassionate to those in need,empowering women and girls alike that they are more than what they are and can be better,despite her situations with her mother and the amazons she was able to be a diplomat for Themyscria while at the same time be a heroine,she's the spirit of truth when it comes to the mythos of the character,and is the "wise yet caring older sister" point of view to man's powerful demeanor,this is the way perez portrayed her,ruka portrayed her,simon portrayed her,azzarello portrays her among others,so we already have a definitive aspect of her personality,power and what she stands for,the main concern now is to keep it that way instead of trying to change it.

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    I think yes.

    I think Steve Trevor should be constant.

    I think someone needs to take her supporting cast and take the best from all her runs including this one and stick with that supporting cast. I really like Zola from the current series for instance and I´d like to see different versions of her in future. kind of reminds me of the girl from The Hiekita. I also would love to see The Kapitalis´s back, Mindy Myer as her public relations specialist, the staff of Themyscira House and of course Etta Candy.

    She should be a diplomat. Its simple, easy to understand and gives her a reason for superheroing as she will always be hearing about world events.

    Gateway City should be brought back and given some kind of theme.

    Her villains should be worked on as well including the ones from Azz´s run. But the two or three I´d like to see more done with is Dr. Psycho, Alkyone and Ares. I like Veronica Cale as a kind of background villain as well, whose more trying to sully WW name.

    I think if DC did this - which they won´t, cause they´re morons - it would make WW alot less confusing to naysayers.

    I think this Zeus origin should be dropped as well. Just stick with the original, it was fine.

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    Wonder Woman is a character who seems to be lacking in continuity constants. The only consistent things that always reappear in her stories are her mother, the amazons, Themyscira, and the lasso...Other than that, everything else has been pretty much a bit of a free for all.

    Are there any specific things you would like to be firmly established in her mythos, with no changes or retcons from writer to writer? Perhaps her power level, her rogues, supporting cast, or her home away from home?

    This is a great idea.

    Something that should be constant with Wonder Woman are her strengths and weaknesses.

    1) Wonder Woman is Wonder Woman with her bracelets on. Wonder Woman's power level is equivalent to that Carol Danver's at Marvel; this power level is second to Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Captain Marvel. However, those characters are not out of Wonder Woman's league, but the Justice League episode: For the Man Who Has Everything should be the guiding principle by which Wonder Woman's strength is measured. From there, those other characters should be standardized; moving a planet should be retconned away and left back to the Silver Age archives.

    2) Removing Wonder Woman's bracelets either boosts her power level and/or makes her go berzerk; her power level goes to that slightly above Superman's power level. Having her bracelets bound by any living entity renders her weak and removes a significant portion of her fighting skills; basically, she only retains her intelligence; like Superman, this is her Kryptonite.

    3) The constant villains in in her rogues gallery should be Dr. Psycho (or, Dr. Psycho and Veronica Cale are a special team unit), Cheetah, Duke of Deception, Inversion, Inside Out Man, Egg-Fu, Silver Swan, Giganta, and Circe. Any character not listed can just be a recurring character, every now and than.

    4) The constant supporting characters are the Amazons, Hippolyta, Ferdinand, Zola, Steve Trevor (e.g. but not as a love interest, per se), I'Ching, and the Holliday Girls, which includes Etta Candy.

    5) Her base of operation is in a location where Dr. Psycho has his base of operation. Here, Wonder Woman poses in her Diana Price guise, but, eventually, Dr. Psycho will make the connection; even so, this will always remain her base of operation.

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    @dshipp17:the episode the man who has everything has no way to rank her strength because that only showed that mongul was stronger,how would you use that to calculate her strength in tons?, wonder woman is way stronger than ms marvel,and i'm not talking about planet strength feats,i'm talking about the most basic feats between the 2 characters,carol has only 2 100 tons feat in her whole career while i have seen houndreds of wonder woman's feats lifting things around the 150.000-200.000 tons;speed carol is supersonic in travel speed,wonder woman's consistent speed feats put her travel speed at massively hypersonic,combat speed carol has only shown more speed than a peak human while wonder woman's reflexes are extremely fast reacting to hypersonic and even light speed attacks consistently,wonder woman has way more durability,carol has been taken down consistenly by opponents in the 100 tons range,while wonder woman has been consistently taking hits from characters on the 200.000 tons rank,taking nukes,powerful energy attacks from gods,etc.

    why would having her bracelets bound reduce her skills?,they aren't the same as powers,she won't forget how to fight and all her martial art training just because her bracelets were bound.

    dr psycho and giganta neec upgrades,power wise they don't have enough power to face WW,unless you maker dr psycho a pre time god like batman,and why would she work for a man like dr psycho?,it makes no sense.

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    @dshipp17:the episode the man who has everything has no way to rank her strength because that only showed that mongul was stronger,how would you use that to calculate her strength in tons?, wonder woman is way stronger than ms marvel,and i'm not talking about planet strength feats,i'm talking about the most basic feats between the 2 characters,carol has only 2 100 tons feat in her whole career while i have seen houndreds of wonder woman's feats lifting things around the 150.000-200.000 tons;speed carol is supersonic in travel speed,wonder woman's consistent speed feats put her travel speed at massively hypersonic,combat speed carol has only shown more speed than a peak human while wonder woman's reflexes are extremely fast reacting to hypersonic and even light speed attacks consistently,wonder woman has way more durability,carol has been taken down consistenly by opponents in the 100 tons range,while wonder woman has been consistently taking hits from characters on the 200.000 tons rank,taking nukes,powerful energy attacks from gods,etc.

    why would having her bracelets bound reduce her skills?,they aren't the same as powers,she won't forget how to fight and all her martial art training just because her bracelets were bound.

    dr psycho and giganta neec upgrades,power wise they don't have enough power to face WW,unless you maker dr psycho a pre time god like batman,and why would she work for a man like dr psycho?,it makes no sense.

    What ever Wonder Woman was shown doing in the past, just discard it; this is a reset; her power level is equivalent to those of Carol Danvers. Since everything is a reset, everything Perez willed is gone, so Dr. Psycho has the ability to psychically affect Wonder Woman, especially if Maxwell Lord was able to affect her; Dr. Psycho is in another psychic league as compared to both Maxwell Lord and Martian Manhunter; additionally, although Dr. Psycho affected Superman in the New 52, I don't think he's even been in contact with Wonder Woman in the New 52; if so, please point me to where the contact occurred, so that I can look it up. Initially, Diana Prince and Dr. Psycho just simply happen to occupy the same building; initially, there was no compelling reason for them to be occupying the same building except by happenstance; there is no need to have supernatural psychic abilities; Wonder Woman is not the equivalent to Athena and I don't know where you got that idea about Wonder Woman from; it's never been required to have supernatural physic abilities to affect Wonder Woman psychically; when it comes to the Dr. Psycho/Wonder Woman dynamics, consider Perez's will gone and in the archives. Similar to the way removing the bracelets makes her berzek, binding her bracelets together causes her to have a phobia to fighting, so that explains her reduced fighting skills. Similarly, any living entity can use Wonder Woman's lasso to both bind her and compel her to obey, including an order to allow her bracelets to be bound by the entity holding the lasso.

    Oh, one other thing that I forgot, Wonder Woman's character/personality; her personality is like the other Amazons; you should be able to tell that she's an Amazon by personality; Wonder Woman is not in the outside world, as an ambassador of peace; initially, she left Paradise Island, simply because Hippolyta and the Olympians forbid it, and out of curiosity, spurred by Steve Trevor's crash landing; she stays because she doesn't like the way the outside world is operating, in terms of some of the inequalities between men and women, magnified by her Amazon tendencies; she thinks women should be much more assertive and combative towards men; this personality makes the dynamics between Dr. Psycho and Wonder Woman very intriguing, but also makes it difficult for her to be on the Justice League; she's a bit like Wolverine, as far as being on the Justice League; if a plan does not jive with her feelings, she'll try to go at it alone; she'll be interesting trying to operate in a Middle Eastern country, a place where Dr. Psycho likes to frequent on vacations. After a number of years, we'll than get a Wonder Woman more resembling how she's currently depicted.

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    @dshipp17 - where did you get that idea about ww? doesn´t sound anything like her. I even like New 52 version more than that and that beserker thing when she takes off her bracelets is as ridiculous as her losing her powers when bracelets bound. its crap and should be forgotten.

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    @dshipp17: in the new 52 she is also way more powerful than carol davners,sorry,we already know that new 52 WW can lift in excess of 100.000 easily with bracelets on,she showed to be too fast for supergirl to react,and proved to be fast and durable enough to fight 2 full grown up kryptonians,carol doesn't compare at all.

    dr psycho can't hurt WW physically,a peak human would break its hands hitting her,dr psycho needs at least great telekinesis powers and some way to survive a hit by WW,he needs upgrades,otherwise he can only fight her inderectly,like being the brain behind a master plan.

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    @dshipp17: in the new 52 she is also way more powerful than carol davners,sorry,we already know that new 52 WW can lift in excess of 100.000 easily with bracelets on,she showed to be too fast for supergirl to react,and proved to be fast and durable enough to fight 2 full grown up kryptonians,carol doesn't compare at all.

    dr psycho can't hurt WW physically,a peak human would break its hands hitting her,dr psycho needs at least great telekinesis powers and some way to survive a hit by WW,he needs upgrades,otherwise he can only fight her indirectly,like being the brain behind a master plan.

    Again, get the idea that Dr. Psycho needs an upgrade to his psychic abilities to affect Wonder Woman; Dr. Psycho does not need an upgrade; his abilities just simply can affect Wonder Woman, as he's on another league from Maxwell and Martian Manhunter, already; if Dr. Psycho’s abilities can affect Superman, they can affect Wonder Woman; the struggle should come into place as to whether Dr. Psycho can affect Martian Manhunter; if Batman and Steve Trevor can physically interact with Wonder Woman, than so should Dr. Psycho; time to make things make sense; Dr. Psycho will be using his brains to figure out something, should he want to affect Wonder Woman, physically. Dr. Psycho can be the master mind behind some type of scheme, also.

    In this new environment, we don't care about that ton scale created by Marvel; the planet moving stuff has been discarded as ridiculous, so surmising that Wonder Woman lifts more than 100,000 is just something you're guessing.

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    @dshipp17 - where did you get that idea about ww? doesn´t sound anything like her. I even like New 52 version more than that and that beserker thing when she takes off her bracelets is as ridiculous as her losing her powers when bracelets bound. its crap and should be forgotten.

    I get the idea from parts of her background; I disagree; this is an opportunity to fix Wonder Woman and bring consistency to her background; time to make Wonder Woman's character make logical sense; she's an Amazon and people should be able to tell that she's an Amazon; it's already been established that removing her bracelets affects, at least her power level, so, by that same premise, binding them should affect her also; the berzerk angle is established, also; therefore, I'm dealing with the issue of binding her bracelets together. Marston's background should not be discarded; if you don't like it, than ride out, if possible or just get used to it. You should have said it was crap when she got a power upgrade, when her bracelets were removed; if you like that, than you can learn to like this, unless, you actually disagreed with the so called god-mode angle; everybody else seems to like it.

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    @dshipp17 said:

    @linkjt said:

    @dshipp17: in the new 52 she is also way more powerful than carol davners,sorry,we already know that new 52 WW can lift in excess of 100.000 easily with bracelets on,she showed to be too fast for supergirl to react,and proved to be fast and durable enough to fight 2 full grown up kryptonians,carol doesn't compare at all.

    dr psycho can't hurt WW physically,a peak human would break its hands hitting her,dr psycho needs at least great telekinesis powers and some way to survive a hit by WW,he needs upgrades,otherwise he can only fight her indirectly,like being the brain behind a master plan.

    Again, get the idea that Dr. Psycho needs an upgrade to his psychic abilities to affect Wonder Woman; Dr. Psycho does not need an upgrade; his abilities just simply can affect Wonder Woman, as he's on another league from Maxwell and Martian Manhunter, already; if Dr. Psycho’s abilities can affect Superman, they can affect Wonder Woman; the struggle should come into place as to whether Dr. Psycho can affect Martian Manhunter; if Batman and Steve Trevor can physically interact with Wonder Woman, than so should Dr. Psycho; time to make things make sense; Dr. Psycho will be using his brains to figure out something, should he want to affect Wonder Woman, physically. Dr. Psycho can be the master mind behind some type of scheme, also.

    In this new environment, we don't care about that ton scale created by Marvel; the planet moving stuff has been discarded as ridiculous, so surmising that Wonder Woman lifts more than 100,000 is just something you're guessing.

    batman or steve hurting wonder woman with a punch is pure bad writting and you know it,and we have scans of wonder woman lifting bridges that weight more than 100.000 tons so yes she is way more powerful than ms marvel.

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    @linkjt said:

    @dshipp17 said:

    @linkjt said:

    @dshipp17: in the new 52 she is also way more powerful than carol davners,sorry,we already know that new 52 WW can lift in excess of 100.000 easily with bracelets on,she showed to be too fast for supergirl to react,and proved to be fast and durable enough to fight 2 full grown up kryptonians,carol doesn't compare at all.

    dr psycho can't hurt WW physically,a peak human would break its hands hitting her,dr psycho needs at least great telekinesis powers and some way to survive a hit by WW,he needs upgrades,otherwise he can only fight her indirectly,like being the brain behind a master plan.

    Again, get the idea that Dr. Psycho needs an upgrade to his psychic abilities to affect Wonder Woman; Dr. Psycho does not need an upgrade; his abilities just simply can affect Wonder Woman, as he's on another league from Maxwell and Martian Manhunter, already; if Dr. Psycho’s abilities can affect Superman, they can affect Wonder Woman; the struggle should come into place as to whether Dr. Psycho can affect Martian Manhunter; if Batman and Steve Trevor can physically interact with Wonder Woman, than so should Dr. Psycho; time to make things make sense; Dr. Psycho will be using his brains to figure out something, should he want to affect Wonder Woman, physically. Dr. Psycho can be the master mind behind some type of scheme, also.

    In this new environment, we don't care about that ton scale created by Marvel; the planet moving stuff has been discarded as ridiculous, so surmising that Wonder Woman lifts more than 100,000 is just something you're guessing.

    batman or steve hurting wonder woman with a punch is pure bad writting and you know it,and we have scans of wonder woman lifting bridges that weight more than 100.000 tons so yes she is way more powerful than ms marvel.

    Well, I'm not saying that Batman or Steve Trevor has over powered her; when you think of Steve Trevor, does the idea of him needing to over power her come to mind? It certainly does not occur that way to me; Dr. Psycho's physical interaction with Wonder Woman is at that level, unless he wants to physically harm her; than, it's thinking more of Lex Luthor plotting against Superman; and, we must remember the binding of the bracelets together.

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    @dshipp17: The way I see it Wonder Woman should have some resistance to psychic attacks. The Amazons had a pretty high focus of psychic in the goldenage. I think Dr. Psycho could maybe manipulate her emotion, or make her see things, but he should be able to directly control her mind. Of course he'd also be able to control the mind of those around her.

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    @dshipp17: The way I see it Wonder Woman should have some resistance to psychic attacks. The Amazons had a pretty high focus of psychic in the goldenage. I think Dr. Psycho could maybe manipulate her emotion, or make her see things, but he should be able to directly control her mind. Of course he'd also be able to control the mind of those around her.

    I agree. I liked the fact that the golden age amazons could further increase their strength by channeling brain energy (some kind of neurochemical energy perhaps?) into their muscles. I'd like to see that return as a special part of Amazonian training. But azz's amazons at least IMO don't seem to be capable of utilizing such a unique training tactic.

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    @dshipp17: The way I see it Wonder Woman should have some resistance to psychic attacks. The Amazons had a pretty high focus of psychic in the goldenage. I think Dr. Psycho could maybe manipulate her emotion, or make her see things, but he should be able to directly control her mind. Of course he'd also be able to control the mind of those around her.

    Wonder Woman has no psychic powers like Martian Manhunter, however. I see where you're coming from, perhaps being accustomed to post-crisis Wonder Woman, but it would make for a fun and interesting story for Dr. Psycho to be able to use his abilities against Wonder Woman effectively.

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    I liked Rucka's Wonder Woman but I am easy to please when it comes to DC characters. I like Azzarello's version as well but like every writer's run with a character, there will be likes and dislikes. For me, I like Wonder Woman as super powerful. Making her more powerful is A.O.K. in my book.

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    @dshipp17: what i'm saying is that batman or steve tagging or hurting wonder woman is bad writting,no character able to take hits from characters above 100 tons and able to react to speeding bullets,lasers and more would be hurt or tagged by peak humans without the help of bad writting.

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    "For the Man Who Has Everything should be the guiding principle by which Wonder Woman's strength is measured."

    @dshipp17 Uh, that would mean that she wouldn't stand a chance at all against characters like Mongul, Doomsday, much less Darkseid...right? How would she ever close that overwhelming gap of power if she were to ever face them in battle?

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    @wonderwomanfan8 said:

    @muffin_sangria said:

    @dshipp17: The way I see it Wonder Woman should have some resistance to psychic attacks. The Amazons had a pretty high focus of psychic in the goldenage. I think Dr. Psycho could maybe manipulate her emotion, or make her see things, but he should be able to directly control her mind. Of course he'd also be able to control the mind of those around her.

    I agree. I liked the fact that the golden age amazons could further increase their strength by channeling brain energy (some kind of neurochemical energy perhaps?) into their muscles. I'd like to see that return as a special part of Amazonian training. But azz's amazons at least IMO don't seem to be capable of utilizing such a unique training tactic.

    Brain energy is on the right track but I'd rather it stay a bit more metaphysical rather then bring in stuff like neurochemistry. The way I see it is the reason Wonder Woman is more powerful then the other Amazons is because she still uses this same ability but because of the way she was created she has axis to a divine connection that she can pull power from as well.

    @dshipp17 said:

    Wonder Woman has no psychic powers like Martian Manhunter, however. I see where you're coming from, perhaps being accustomed to post-crisis Wonder Woman, but it would make for a fun and interesting story for Dr. Psycho to be able to use his abilities against Wonder Woman effectively.

    Well in pre-crisis the Amazons had the psionic ability to enhance their physical abilities, as well as their physic radios. I believe there was also astral projection and a few other things as well. That familiarity with psychic powers would at least give them some resistance. And in post crisis there was something about her alignment with truth that gave her a resistance to psychic attacks, or maybe she had to be holding her lasso I'm not totally sure.

    I'm all for giving Dr Psycho some power ups to his abilities but he should be about to take complete control over Wonder Woman. That would just mean he wins and Wonder Woman is done for. Effecting her emotions, making her see and here things that seem real, and controlling the other people around her is enough to make him a major threat without making him impossible to beat. You could even give him telekinesis if you really wanted to.

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    This is so simple @muffin_sangria, when WW has the lasso, she can´t be affected by psyhcic attacks, when she doesn´t she can.

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    @dshipp17: so you are saying just make her a female version of Superman. Mild mannered diplomate by day, super hero by night? Personally I like the idea that WW is a bit of an outsider to human society in the new run, she seems mystified by even the other hero's actions at times ... what need does she have for a secondary identity or a base of operations? Her purpose is to fight evil, she doesn't need money or fame etc ... she's better off as a symbol than a watered down female counterpart to Kal-El

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    @jdhaddad1973 said:

    @dshipp17: so you are saying just make her a female version of Superman. Mild mannered diplomate by day, super hero by night? Personally I like the idea that WW is a bit of an outsider to human society in the new run, she seems mystified by even the other hero's actions at times ... what need does she have for a secondary identity or a base of operations? Her purpose is to fight evil, she doesn't need money or fame etc ... she's better off as a symbol than a watered down female counterpart to Kal-El

    I agree. Shes NOT Supergirl or a female version of Superman. She doesn't belong in the city nor should she be there.

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    #23  Edited By Muffin_Sangria

    @dshipp17: so you are saying just make her a female version of Superman. Mild mannered diplomate by day, super hero by night? Personally I like the idea that WW is a bit of an outsider to human society in the new run, she seems mystified by even the other hero's actions at times ... what need does she have for a secondary identity or a base of operations? Her purpose is to fight evil, she doesn't need money or fame etc ... she's better off as a symbol than a watered down female counterpart to Kal-El

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    You're mild mannered comment made me think of this. It's from Twelve Labors of Wonder Woman if anyone is interested.

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