Azzerello? Leave or Stay
I love the Wonder Woman series! My only problem is that he needs to stop making the story arc so long. There's only been one arc for the past two years. But it's not a huge complaint because he's introducing New Genesis and we're seeing new things all the time.
I agree that his being on one story for nearly two years now is becoming a bit much to stomach; it's been like a simple move of about a block or 2 has to be a complete issue. I'm just interested in how he'd be moving from issue to issue with a different villain or a rotation of villains, just like, you know, what you'd expect in a comic book about a superhero. I'm ok with his story, in terms of execution, even if it is to allow Wonder Woman to advance two blocks at a time, but leaning towards his leaving the longer he withholds Athena, Dr. Psycho, her traditional villains, and a bit of sex appeal (e.g. how about some barefeet and/or implied nudity and/or sexual overtures; can easily be done if that's a problem with Chiang, given that he's often been substituted for by another artist), and an approach towards at least a normal comic book pace. Wouldn't hurt to also know more about Wonder Woman and some context to her current state (e.g. things like why was she in London, than vacationing in New York, than how well does her environment know her and feel about her; how do people feel about her and how she treats them).
By all means, please go create the original character for which the current title of Wonder Woman is merely a vehicle.
I still think most people who love the current state of Wonder Woman have really not liked the character created and depicted since her 1940s comic book debut. You know, the one that interacted with humans and fought to make the world outside of her world better by example. Is her current threat endangering the world around... even a little? Is New York or Dallas at risk of destruction?
WW older fan base has not left her. Her "new" fan base would not be sufficient to sustain her and ride out the bumpy roads she faces and has faced over the years. The older fan base is not just here and/or will leave when the current writer does.
Part of this current character's standing is still based on the assumption that she is an agent of peace, cares about mankind outside of her bloodline, has a mission, and is loved by a world that she seems to avoid in her own title.
Actually, I do not like the art or the catfish appearance of Poseidon. It looks like something out of 70s Disney movie. The Incredible Mr Limpet.
The portrayal of the Amazons as raping attackers does a disservice to Diana. Is this what her people want her to teach the outside world? That Amazons are hateful barbarians?
Pretty sure it was displayed clearly that Diana didn't know anything about the dark secret of the Amazons, and she was horrified when she found out ---- so I don't see how it does a disservice to her. Apart from that, there's this one issue that's been on my mind for a while now, I think it dates back to the release of Superman #13 where Clark benched the entire planet for days or whatever, and all of a sudden there were these Wonder Woman fans all over the forum complaining about how Azzarello's run sucked because he didn't give Diana over-the-top feats like that. Azzarello focuses on the plot, and the feats he gives the character like beating up Moon actually have stuff to do with the plot. Lobdell's nonsense with Superman's strength literally had nothing whatsoever to do with the plot and was completely unnecessary beyond giving battle forum addicts something to praise the lord over. Would you honestly prefer something like that to the rich, layered story Azzarello has been spinning?
I don't doubt that there are more legitimate reasons for why someone would dislike Azzarello's run ---- a lot of people have complained that he doesn't feature Diana's traditional rogues' gallery, and that's an understandable complaint. But complaining that his run sucks because "0 feats" just strikes me as an incredibly shallow reason to follow a book or a character, though I suppose everyone is entitled to their reasons.
What was the point of the Amazons dark secret as raping murderers? How does this add to Diana's strength or character to know that people who called her "Clay" also abused men & killed fresh born babies? Perhaps, it would help if the new 52 Amazons were established so we knew their current values and motivations... But like most of new 52, readers are to just assume most of what they knew of historical characters is the same until a story says otherwise. That type of writing is not new & original & progressive; it is lazy and insulting to an audience. It also adds to the feeling of disconnect.
The current character in WW is interesting and great, but it is not WW. This character is the second coming of I Ching era in my book. History will repeat itself.
K, so say he leaves, does that magically erase what he has laid down? If he goes then what? Is the next writer going to reboot her origin after all the issues that Azzy has written since the new52? He has to stay.
Would him leaving magically erase his run like he magically erased her past & excluded her villains...
Yep. That's how comics have and can work. Next person can alter or revise past writers work. Believe it or not, MARVEL does this without the whole company wide reboot.
I was a fan of WW before the New52 came along and I'm still a fan now. Azzarello's run is most certainly different than what I've seen before, but I think that's kind of the point. Diana wasn't my favorite super hero because she was as strong as Superman or because she had an island full of perfect sisters. I was and am a fan of Wonder Woman because of what her character represented to me as a woman. She was strong and empathetic and fierce and she didn't let any of her male colleagues define her. She is still all of those things in her solo book, and those qualities are all the more evident because of her new surroundings. Her extended family may be conniving and have these dark secrets, but that just emphasizes how great Diana really is.
@sinisteri: leave and bring back perez,let him show people once again how a wonder woman comic should be.
by the way and off topic,i see that somepeople respond to my comment in the topics but they don't appear in my messages box,i only see them when i come back to the topic,is that a problem?.
I don't really care, his story is good, it just needs to pick up the pace... and daaaayyyyyuuuum those gods are ugly, Gods were supposed to be beautiful, those things like like monsters you find in an RPG ...Poseidon looks like one of those WOW murlocks ...
I think it dates back to the release of Superman #13 where Clark benched the entire planet for days or whatever, and all of a sudden there were these Wonder Woman fans all over the forum complaining about how Azzarello's run sucked because he didn't give Diana over-the-top feats like that. Azzarello focuses on the plot, and the feats he gives the character like beating up Moon actually have stuff to do with the plot. Lobdell's nonsense with Superman's strength literally had nothing whatsoever to do with the plot and was completely unnecessary beyond giving battle forum addicts something to praise the lord over. Would you honestly prefer something like that to the rich, layered story Azzarello has been spinning?
Its funny because this is exactly what was being asked for.... random apocalyptic objects heading towards earth that were clearly specified in terms of size, mass, density, composition, and speed that Wonder Women would single-handedly save the word from...
@citizenbane: arazzello's wonder woman is not the real wonder woman,her heroic side is missing,her villans are gone,the amazons are gone and everything they represented to diana,wonder woman has been needing help to fight her oppinents most of the time,and she hasn't done anything impressive,she sucks now and is a flop because of arazzello,perez's run was much better writen and of course,it sold more than arazzello's run.
It is funny that Diana consistently needs so much help fighting her foes than Superman or Batman do.
She is a woman who needs help & can't finish an adventure in her own book. This is progressive and what she needed to be successful? Setiously!?
And this is best WW that some fans like?
@citizenbane: I think you are in my reply，about"0 feats"for you,it's just shallow reason?I dont think so
I'm like wonder woman,not just story is cool or something
Of course, this is also very important, but for me,is not main reason
most important reason is that I'm isnt have the power like her,attracted me to see how use her power to influence the story and handle more and more problems and difficulties,if wonder woman no power,just have cool story,I think I would be not a wonder woman fans,I mean,sorry,My enligh is bad
I like wonder woman,not just she has a cool story,I like her power,I like to see how handle she goddess of power in the comic book,that was attracted me
I think he should go, but not because everything he's done is terrible or anything like that. I agree that the way he treated the Amazons is problematic and I felt that it was unnecessary - it didn't really advance the story or help to develop Diana's character - it just felt like a giant f-you to the existing continuity (if there is such a thing in the New 52).
On the other hand, the way he reinvented the Greek gods and wove Diana's conflict into theirs was really great stuff, thus I really enjoyed the first 12 or so issues.
But since then, the story has been spinning its wheels and spending too much time on everyone but Wonder Woman. The battle between Orion and The Firstborn is interesting in its own right, but it's become unclear how Wonder Woman fits into it all. It's bad enough that Wonder Woman often gets the short end of the stick in Justice League, but to do it to her in her own book is getting really annoying, especially given how slowly the story is now moving.
It seems to me like Azzarello has plenty of good story ideas, but has already burned through his best Wonder Woman story ideas. So, he should leave and write something else and DC should bring someone with fresh ideas to handle Wonder Woman.
This is a sexist version of WW. She is written to appear strong, but she needs help to fight her opponents while not resolving her first story challenge. This WW is not in the same league with Batman and Superman even though she is "more" powerful than Superman.
Perez Wonder Woman would have resolved baby drama by issue 3 no later than 6. If baby is Zeus, the entity of truth would have known it by now. Or is she so powerful that truth is only in her lasso now?
@sinisteri: Agree it
I 'm like wonder woman,Includes stories, history, emotion, personality，But the final decision I become her fans.IS because she has greater of power like goddess
Some people say that it is shallow ，but if wonder woman just a normal woman,I would be say,I'm not her fans
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