i've just caught up with Wonder Woman and have to say i'm definitely enjoying this new take on her character!! admittedly i didn't read much pre flashpoint Wonder Woman, and maybe this is why i don't have the negative of many other readers!!

you are not alone :)

It is pretty awesome

Clearly your not, but you should compare.

@jphulk26: i will certainly pick up some trades to compare!! any recommendations?!

@SoA said:

you are not alone :)

This. :-)

The people who hate are just loud. They are not greater in number than the people who like the book. Just look at the sales numbers!

@Nightwing82: Gail Simone The Circle. Best place to start.

Also Greg Rucka´s run, try the series he does with Medusa as the villain, I forget what its called, but they´re on DC digital library.

Glad your enjoying WW ;)

The only other good runs were Perez and Rucka.

Simone was so cheesey and boring that her work was unreadable. It saddened me because I wanted to like it.

I was feeling like that too, i think its one of best new 52 titles that gets over looked. To me its better than Justice League Dark.

@OutlawRenegade said:

The only other good runs were Perez and Rucka.

Simone was so cheesey and boring that her work was unreadable. It saddened me because I wanted to like it.

@OutlawRenegade: SO NOT TRUE. I think Simone had moments when I wasn´t so into it, but at her best she was really good and better than Rucka or Perrez. I just like more when she wrote it for herself or for everyone, but sometimes it was too girly, and then it seemed cheesy, it was like she was consiously writing a girls book. But I stress that was rare. She also had to follow a continuity that had been kinda made wierd by the guys writing before her, who had Donna Troy as WW, and Diana had given up the mantle. But she recovered well. I would love to see what her and Rucka would have done with the opportunity the New 52 gave of wiping the slate clean and just writing a modern WW. It would be much better than Azzerrelo.

By the way are you guys all game of thrones fans?

Also no offense, but do we need another New 52 WW love fest? really? There´s a New 52 respect thread.

@jphulk26: Agree to disagree about Simone. Most fansites don't hold her run in high regard from what I've seen.

@OutlawRenegade: Yeah we´ll agree to disagree, because The Circle is considered one of the best WW stories of all time, was the year Gail was nominated for various comic awards because of her work on ww and Birds of prey, is the best sellin WW Graphic Novel after Gods and Mortals, and "alot alot" of WW fans don´t like what Azzerrello is doing. This site seems to be where you Azzerreloites all hang out.(no offense) But I will agree to disagree.

@Nightwing82 said:

i've just caught up with Wonder Woman and have to say i'm definitely enjoying this new take on her character!! admittedly i didn't read much pre flashpoint Wonder Woman, and maybe this is why i don't have the negative of many other readers!!

Yeah, most of you preface your love of Azzarello's run with variations on "I never really liked Wonder Woman before...". Well guess what? She had many fans prior to him getting his mitts on her and most of us are pissed off by his fraudulent interpretation. It's destroyed everything I loved about the character. She's a hollow shell without a soul and for me my favorite comic has been ruined.

@OutlawRenegade said:

The only other good runs were Perez and Rucka.

Simone was so cheesey and boring that her work was unreadable. It saddened me because I wanted to like it.

Simone's run sucked, but at least she made an attempt to actually write Wonder Woman. What you people are enjoying now is a tale of the Olympians with Wonder Woman's name slapped on the cover. They've been elevated and she's been diminished in order to tell their story. What was once the premier super-heroine of either universe has become one out of hundreds of Zeus' demigod bastards. A character meant to be the ultimate feminine role model has become a Hercules with breasts that's only relevant due to her father and boyfriend. It makes Simone's lackluster run look like golden scripture from Heaven.

I'm not a fan. I liked her in Justice League so I tried the first few issues but I was pretty disappointed.

@SCORPIO_CASSADINE:

LOL. I don´t agree with your presentation of your argument, but I do agree with what your saying. I just can´t stand Azzerrello´s WW. Its an interesting story, but its not a wonder woman story, and what is worse is that for all the changes he´s made to the mythos, the actual execution of this story is flat and boring. I mean I could forgive him for the changes if it was a horror story that was actually scary, or a greek god drama worth the name but it isn´t. The characters dull, the dialogue lifeless, his new origin unoriginal and unthoughtful.

Its to bad because I think the art is well done, but apart from it being an interesting concept, it is really a hollow husk of a story.

@SCORPIO_CASSADINE said:

@Nightwing82 said:

i've just caught up with Wonder Woman and have to say i'm definitely enjoying this new take on her character!! admittedly i didn't read much pre flashpoint Wonder Woman, and maybe this is why i don't have the negative of many other readers!!

Yeah, most of you preface your love of Azzarello's run with variations on "I never really liked Wonder Woman before...". Well guess what? She had many fans prior to him getting his mitts on her and most of us are pissed off by his fraudulent interpretation. It's destroyed everything I loved about the character. She's a hollow shell without a soul and for me my favorite comic has been ruined.

as i said i never read much WW pre flashpoint i never said i didnt like her or she didn't have any fans just that i was enjoying this current story!! and i've seen plenty of WW fans who have the same views as you do hence why i asked the question!!

I can say that after issue 12 and with the release of issue 15, that I am no longer enjoying the title. I'm just really done with Gods and Monsters and would like to see something more familiar, a year and quarter into this relaunch. Cheetah should have been introduced in Azzarello's pages, not Justice League. But it's obvious that Azzarello and Johns have an understanding of what aspects of Wonder Woman that they are going to reveal. I think that's why sales have dropped so drastically for Swampthing and Animal Man because these titles are taking way too long to get to the end of the plot and those who have kept an eye on it are like . . . thought that would be over by now, I'll pass.

@OutlawRenegade: the sales clearly say that people don't care about it,she was selling better before the rebot.

@Vance Astro: she didn't need to change,zeus daugther?,she didn't need that.

@jphulk26 said:

@SCORPIO_CASSADINE:

LOL. I don´t agree with your presentation of your argument, but I do agree with what your saying. I just can´t stand Azzerrello´s WW. Its an interesting story, but its not a wonder woman story, and what is worse is that for all the changes he´s made to the mythos, the actual execution of this story is flat and boring. I mean I could forgive him for the changes if it was a horror story that was actually scary, or a greek god drama worth the name but it isn´t. The characters dull, the dialogue lifeless, his new origin unoriginal and unthoughtful.

Its to bad because I think the art is well done, but apart from it being an interesting concept, it is really a hollow husk of a story.

I hate the art too. That's what so infuriating, people rave about how good the book is, and it seems like it's only to spite Wonder Woman's long term fans. Granted, while I don't find Chiang's art enjoyable, I can see why some people would. However the constant amateur-night fill-ins are horrible, yet people turn a blind eye to them and say that they love it.

How many play on words can be digested before it's finally enough? Every formulaic issue is the same, we're introduced to a new weird, hipster or monster god and watch scheming deities stand around saying bad puns and cryptic quips. Plus the story moves sooooooooo sloooooow. There's very little action and when there is, it isn't depicted clearly. Certain panels are amorphous and open to do it yourself interpretation. Plot holes go unnoticed and deus ex machina that would normally be eviscerated are greeted with open arms. It's like I'm living in the Twilight Zone.

The small amount of character development and fleshing out all goes to the gods. We have more of a sense of their personalities than we do the eponymous hero. I feel like I know Strife better than Diana. Fifteen issues in and we still don't know Wonder Woman's origin, her powers, her motivation, or why she's so different from her murderous sisters.

The whole series is a busted Timex in a Rolex box and people don't know a knock-off when they see one.

@Vance Astro said:

@gokuwarrior said:

@Vance Astro: she didn't need to change,zeus daugther?,she didn't need that.

I agree with you. The original story was fine. She is probably the only member of the Justice League aside from Batman that didn't need any tweaks.

just a side question is Cas Sandsmark still a daughter of Zeus?!! so are Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl now sisters?!

Profit is still profit even if it is coming from interesting Greek gods rather than Wonder Woman.

@Vance Astro said:

@gokuwarrior said:

@Vance Astro: she didn't need to change,zeus daugther?,she didn't need that.

I agree with you. The original story was fine. She is probably the only member of the Justice League aside from Batman that didn't need any tweaks.

just a side question is Cas Sandsmark still a daughter of Zeus?!! so are Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl now sisters?!

I agree with the decision to base the reboot origin of Wonder Girl on Trigon since both Wonder Girl and Trigon belong to the universe of the Teen Titans and makes sense.

@Dernman: thats too bad could have given Wonder Woman another dimension like Superman with Superboy/Girl and Batman with his various sidekicks

@Dernman: i get where your coming from maybe sidekick was the wrong word but the potential for a meaningful interaction between the 2 from time to time would have been good

@SCORPIO_CASSADINE: I´ll come back and reply to this properly cause you touch on somethings are very interesting and worth discussing, but for now I´ll just say it´s like your speaking from my mind brother.

@Nightwing82 said:

@Dernman: thats too bad could have given Wonder Woman another dimension like Superman with Superboy/Girl and Batman with his various sidekicks

agreed

Well there is still a chance that donna troy will reapear, plus fury is the last amazon on earth-2.

@SCORPIO_CASSADINE: wonder woman didn't need to change,her title needs more promotion,and she needs more exposure on her own outside comics,most of her sales from 2006-2010 were very good in the US and outside the US,and she proved she can be succesful on her own outside comics,because her animated movie is the 4 best selling animated movie from DC.

before the rebot she was selling more than 60.000 with most of her issues just in the US,plus the sales in the rest of the world,her current comic is in the 20.000 mark in the US and i don't know how much is selling in the rest of the world,so the change didn't make her good.

You are not the only one.Azzarello is making some pretty awesome stuff.