" i used to love wolverine he used to be one of my favorite characters but after hearing so many people get completly rediculous about him im tired of him. he is not the be all end all there are many characters that he has no business in battles with such as gods and cosmic beings and the like he has no chance in these fights and he is a superhuman true but thats not enough to justify people treating him as unbeatable, he has limits. "

Oh, I get you. Totally. There are a couple Magneto fans out there that are actually more insane than I am. 
 
If anyone thinks I am an apologist...they really need to meet these people. I've been stalked by a Magneto fan for saying the character is morally ambiguous and finding validity with his most of his portrayals through the 1990's, rather than insisting, as this crazy person did, that the only "true Magneto" is the character during his Reformation Period of the 1980's and that Magneto is a hero. She was following me around a couple message boards making all kind of really looney accusations. She even went so far as to find out my real name and started bandying it on the message boards.The mods then stepped in and said they had just about enough of that.
 
So yeah, there are some really bat-sh&^-crazy fans out there who can make it very not-fun for the rest of us.
 
If they are just being a bit delusional about the character place in the M.U., just try to ignore them. It could be a lot worse.

"@Watch Dog: sorry but listening to delusional fans has made my brain feel like a fried egg "

" Oh, I get you. Totally. There are a couple Magneto fans out there that are actually more insane than I am.   If anyone thinks I am an apologist...they really need to meet these people. I've been stalked by a Magneto fan for saying the character is morally ambiguous and finding validity with his most of his portrayals through the 1990's, rather than insisting, as this crazy person did, that the only "true Magneto" is the character during his Reformation Period of the 1980's and that Magneto is a hero. She was following me around a couple message boards making all kind of really looney accusations. She even went so far as to find out my real name and started bandying it on the message boards.The mods then stepped in and said they had just about enough of that.  So yeah, there are some really bat-sh&^-crazy fans out there who can make it very not-fun for the rest of us.  If they are just being a bit delusional about the character place in the M.U., just try to ignore them. It could be a lot worse. "

" @Pania said:

" Oh, I get you. Totally. There are a couple Magneto fans out there that are actually more insane than I am.   If anyone thinks I am an apologist...they really need to meet these people. I've been stalked by a Magneto fan for saying the character is morally ambiguous and finding validity with his most of his portrayals through the 1990's, rather than insisting, as this crazy person did, that the only "true Magneto" is the character during his Reformation Period of the 1980's and that Magneto is a hero. She was following me around a couple message boards making all kind of really looney accusations. She even went so far as to find out my real name and started bandying it on the message boards.The mods then stepped in and said they had just about enough of that.  So yeah, there are some really bat-sh&^-crazy fans out there who can make it very not-fun for the rest of us.  If they are just being a bit delusional about the character place in the M.U., just try to ignore them. It could be a lot worse. "

Well technically when you think about it Magneto is a hero. I mean, he might be evil and all, but the truth is that when he did the things he did for his people. And not to mention that he was correct in everything he stood for. Only that sometimes he got a bit crazier and did really evil things that had nothing to do with his vision, but still he is a hero in the eyes of the persecuted mutants. 
 
Yet, if magneto and the mutant kind existed in reality he and his group would be called terrorist. He is a heroto his people, but not to the humans and the mutants that believe in coexistence. "

" i used to love wolverine he used to be one of my favorite characters but after hearing so many people get completly rediculous about him im tired of him. he is not the be all end all there are many characters that he has no business in battles with such as gods and cosmic beings and the like he has no chance in these fights and he is a superhuman true but thats not enough to justify people treating him as unbeatable, he has limits. "

"@joshmightbe: I know what you mean.  The Deadpool fans can be so over-enthusiastic that it can kill the enjoyment for others (like me).  That's when you have to stop yourself from reading all the threads.  Or at least the threads with bad grammar and spelling mistakes in the title ;) "

" @xerox-kitty said:

"@joshmightbe: I know what you mean.  The Deadpool fans can be so over-enthusiastic that it can kill the enjoyment for others (like me).  That's when you have to stop yourself from reading all the threads.  Or at least the threads with bad grammar and spelling mistakes in the title ;) "

I feel this way about Batman.  I'd like Batman a lot more if there weren't for Batfanboys.  Unfortunately sometimes they have influence cause they're writers *rolls eyes*  (looking at you Frank Miller, Dark Knight, Dark Knight Strikes Back, All-Star Batman.....and so on and so on...). "

" @robbiesol said:

" @xerox-kitty said:

"@joshmightbe: I know what you mean.  The Deadpool fans can be so over-enthusiastic that it can kill the enjoyment for others (like me).  That's when you have to stop yourself from reading all the threads.  Or at least the threads with bad grammar and spelling mistakes in the title ;) "

I feel this way about Batman.  I'd like Batman a lot more if there weren't for Batfanboys.  Unfortunately sometimes they have influence cause they're writers *rolls eyes*  (looking at you Frank Miller, Dark Knight, Dark Knight Strikes Back, All-Star Batman.....and so on and so on...). "

You can't be at Frank Miller's non canon Batman stories for provoking fanboyism.People shouldn't take them so seriously. "

" @joshmightbe said:

" i used to love wolverine he used to be one of my favorite characters but after hearing so many people get completly rediculous about him im tired of him. he is not the be all end all there are many characters that he has no business in battles with such as gods and cosmic beings and the like he has no chance in these fights and he is a superhuman true but thats not enough to justify people treating him as unbeatable, he has limits. "

This is exactly the point I made in the "Most overrated character thread." If your so called fallout with Wolverine is based on the cases that me and Castleking made against Ares for Wolverine.The problem lies with you,not with us.He's the big Wolverine fan..not me.I only debate based on what I see and comics and then I tally in the stats and how they work against each character.I don't ever try to make a character out to be more than he is unless I'm not actually serious (which in this case I was).So what you're doing right now is basically whining because you can't prove us wrong and that just makes you look bad especially when we've been asking for proof otherwise for over 10 pages.  Fanboyism made me start hating Deadpool because people would come in debates and just makeup stuff about him even lie about the fights he's been in when I read the comic.If I fabricated anything,I can see you being mad but I didn't so you're playing yourself. "

I totally see your perspective, there are a few characters that I HATE and i HATE them cause of the COMICVINE Fans here who have just made them stink like expensive cheese.
 
#1 BLACK PANTHER..........@ his vine fans............whatever he doesnt matter to ANYONE  can you say D-TEAM?
#2 HULK............to his VINE army................hes a character that you cant do much with I respect his place in comicdom but yall suck.
#3 Deadpol..........@ his VINE fans.............hes not boba fett! BAM in your face! go ahead and star a cult for the guy the world will know him as the family dollar version of WOLVERINE.
 
@ josh i know wolverine is overused but in a thread i started a while back it seemed that (and I was very shocked by this) that wolverine very well may have replaced spiderman as Marvels POSTER BOY, so that could be the reason for this and the fan reaction. 
I love wolverine and the thing that gets me about him is not his fans for I know and respect his limits but the fact that IMO i never see the guy win a fight!  I mean that in all fairness. I have never seen him win a fight in new avengers granted i see him getting TORE the F up but thats about it. the best wins I have seen him in lately that I know is in oldman logan over redskull and Hulk but outside of that I think marvel uses his regen to show someone getting beat to death more than anything.

" @Vance Astro said:

" @joshmightbe said:

" i used to love wolverine he used to be one of my favorite characters but after hearing so many people get completly rediculous about him im tired of him. he is not the be all end all there are many characters that he has no business in battles with such as gods and cosmic beings and the like he has no chance in these fights and he is a superhuman true but thats not enough to justify people treating him as unbeatable, he has limits. "

This is exactly the point I made in the "Most overrated character thread." If your so called fallout with Wolverine is based on the cases that me and Castleking made against Ares for Wolverine.The problem lies with you,not with us.He's the big Wolverine fan..not me.I only debate based on what I see and comics and then I tally in the stats and how they work against each character.I don't ever try to make a character out to be more than he is unless I'm not actually serious (which in this case I was).So what you're doing right now is basically whining because you can't prove us wrong and that just makes you look bad especially when we've been asking for proof otherwise for over 10 pages.  Fanboyism made me start hating Deadpool because people would come in debates and just makeup stuff about him even lie about the fights he's been in when I read the comic.If I fabricated anything,I can see you being mad but I didn't so you're playing yourself. "

I don't recall any case being made by you, period! If you call saying Wolvie is faster, he will win, a case, then you made one. As for the thread at hand, it does get bothersome and frustrating when people, get to that level of fanboysm, it really becomes quite difficult, to debate or simply, to have a logical discusssion. "

One thing I don't like about Wolverine, and super-popular characters in general, is that he can never lose any battle (except maybe against an Ennis-written Punisher). Even when he appears in other people's books he always battles them to a standstill, says something like "you're pretty good and deserve your own comic", they say something like " you're the best there is at everything Mr. Wolverine" and he leaves. I get why they do this, you can't have your cash-cow getting his butt kicked all the time, but you're absolutely right, he is one of the lowest powered characters in the Marvel universe.
 
Edit: Hmm, seems like someone completely disagrees with me. Well speedlgt I guess you're right, he usually doesn't win fights but I don't think he loses them either.

" @Vance Astro: i didnt star this thread out of spite or out of any particular liking for a character, and no not everyone tries to force their point of veiw but i started this thread to vent frustration at those who do cause every time i say that wolverine can be beat by anyone i get 60 pms telling me im wrong i could say thanos could beat him and i gaurantee atleast 5 people would try to tell me how wolverine would curbstomp him even though gods have had trouble putting him down, so it just gets iratating "

When I was younger I read the X-Men  and I heard everyone going on about how great Wolverine was. I freely admit he was my least favorite X-Man. As I have gotten older, and more cynical, I have re-evaluated my feelings and have to admit I like him some. 
BUT I do agree with you that fans go overboard thinking he could take on some characters. I could make a list of those he would lose to

so don't listen to them.

I think Wolverine is the worst Marvel Comic superhero ever!!! $#@& him! He is a disgrace to Charles Xavier's the X-Men.

This is why it's best to find another thread when it begins to devolve into "character rules/sucks" arguments.

I think Wolverine is one of the best X-Men characters to ever see paper and ink. However, I know he has his limits, and can't face off big threats alone, teamwork is a main factor and that's what they teach us through the comics. Heck, even Steve Rogers couldn't defeat the Red Skull alone (Captain America : Reborn) he needed Captain America's as well as the Avengers to succeed. 
 
As a Wolverine fan first and foremost, I know there exists some fans who think Wolverine can take on the world alone, and some fans who think realistically and know that sometimes feats cannot be conquered alone. 
 
As for the people who write him off, I do not share your point of view, but I respect it enough to let you say as you please without starting a riot, which is probably what you're looking for.