"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Slinger said:

" @DEGRAAF: That's the point. All characters are just as successful at beating their enemies as the writers want them to be. It has nothing to do with whether or not they are actually capable of it. Hence, Spider-Man beating Firelord. Wolverine sells a crap-load of comic books. He's probably one of, if not the, most successful characters of all time due to his franchisability. He's marketed as an underdog, because that's who America likes to root for, if he get's too tough to beat then people lose interest and sales drop. For a character designed to get the crap kicked out of him by the Hulk, I would say that Wolverine has done remarkably well, and is by no means a failure. "

so true"

Exactly thats why Superman sucks and is boring he always wins and impossible to beat and kill. "

dont read much superman huh?"

Yes. And i know doomsday killed him but he stil came back to life. And he is impossible to beat that just proved it. Also he is boring. He too damn strong. Sorry i like Batman better. He more interesting character. "

yeah but everyone comes back to life.  steve rogers, bucky, jason todd, thanos, iron fist... everybody comes back to life.  i love batman too but i think superman's just as interesting.  he's just on a higher scale of power then batman.  he can realistically fight more powerful villains and i think that's cool."

Yeah but all them people you named not unstoppable like Superman is. "

well then hate on him for being unstoppable, not for coming back to life!  of course then you must not like the martian manhunter, darkseid, captain marvel, black adam, doomsday, cyborg superman, the flash... or anyone like that."

lol ok but you do know that all those others i mentioned are just as unstoppable as he is and give him as good of a fight as he gives them.

"lol ok but you do know that all those others i mentioned are just as unstoppable as he is and give him as good of a fight as he gives them."

" @Apparition said:

"lol ok but you do know that all those others i mentioned are just as unstoppable as he is and give him as good of a fight as he gives them."

You forgot Juggernaut :P "

"@dreadmaster said:

" @Apparition said:

"lol ok but you do know that all those others i mentioned are just as unstoppable as he is and give him as good of a fight as he gives them."

You forgot Juggernaut :P "

lol no i left him out on purpose :P"

" @Apparition said:

"@dreadmaster said:

" @Apparition said:

"lol ok but you do know that all those others i mentioned are just as unstoppable as he is and give him as good of a fight as he gives them."

You forgot Juggernaut :P "

lol no i left him out on purpose :P"

Then you should choose your words wisely.I am on the hunt for people who need knowledge lolYou need to be more careful or else i'll show up  :P "

"@Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Slinger said:

" @DEGRAAF: That's the point. All characters are just as successful at beating their enemies as the writers want them to be. It has nothing to do with whether or not they are actually capable of it. Hence, Spider-Man beating Firelord. Wolverine sells a crap-load of comic books. He's probably one of, if not the, most successful characters of all time due to his franchisability. He's marketed as an underdog, because that's who America likes to root for, if he get's too tough to beat then people lose interest and sales drop. For a character designed to get the crap kicked out of him by the Hulk, I would say that Wolverine has done remarkably well, and is by no means a failure. "

so true"

Exactly thats why Superman sucks and is boring he always wins and impossible to beat and kill. "

dont read much superman huh?"

Yes. And i know doomsday killed him but he stil came back to life. And he is impossible to beat that just proved it. Also he is boring. He too damn strong. Sorry i like Batman better. He more interesting character. "

yeah but everyone comes back to life.  steve rogers, bucky, jason todd, thanos, iron fist... everybody comes back to life.  i love batman too but i think superman's just as interesting.  he's just on a higher scale of power then batman.  he can realistically fight more powerful villains and i think that's cool."

Yeah but all them people you named not unstoppable like Superman is. "

well then hate on him for being unstoppable, not for coming back to life!  of course then you must not like the martian manhunter, darkseid, captain marvel, black adam, doomsday, cyborg superman, the flash... or anyone like that."

I hate on him for mostly being unstoppable. I do not care really he keeps coming back to life. "

"@Sidney said:

"@Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Slinger said:

" @DEGRAAF: That's the point. All characters are just as successful at beating their enemies as the writers want them to be. It has nothing to do with whether or not they are actually capable of it. Hence, Spider-Man beating Firelord. Wolverine sells a crap-load of comic books. He's probably one of, if not the, most successful characters of all time due to his franchisability. He's marketed as an underdog, because that's who America likes to root for, if he get's too tough to beat then people lose interest and sales drop. For a character designed to get the crap kicked out of him by the Hulk, I would say that Wolverine has done remarkably well, and is by no means a failure. "

so true"

Exactly thats why Superman sucks and is boring he always wins and impossible to beat and kill. "

dont read much superman huh?"

Yes. And i know doomsday killed him but he stil came back to life. And he is impossible to beat that just proved it. Also he is boring. He too damn strong. Sorry i like Batman better. He more interesting character. "

yeah but everyone comes back to life.  steve rogers, bucky, jason todd, thanos, iron fist... everybody comes back to life.  i love batman too but i think superman's just as interesting.  he's just on a higher scale of power then batman.  he can realistically fight more powerful villains and i think that's cool."

Yeah but all them people you named not unstoppable like Superman is. "

well then hate on him for being unstoppable, not for coming back to life!  of course then you must not like the martian manhunter, darkseid, captain marvel, black adam, doomsday, cyborg superman, the flash... or anyone like that."

I hate on him for mostly being unstoppable. I do not care really he keeps coming back to life. "

thats why apparition said you must hate martian manhunter, darkseid,captain america, black adam, doomsday, cyborg superman. Also silver surfer, hulk, any gods and any hulk type character "

"@DEGRAAF said:

"@Sidney said:

"@Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Slinger said:

" @DEGRAAF: That's the point. All characters are just as successful at beating their enemies as the writers want them to be. It has nothing to do with whether or not they are actually capable of it. Hence, Spider-Man beating Firelord. Wolverine sells a crap-load of comic books. He's probably one of, if not the, most successful characters of all time due to his franchisability. He's marketed as an underdog, because that's who America likes to root for, if he get's too tough to beat then people lose interest and sales drop. For a character designed to get the crap kicked out of him by the Hulk, I would say that Wolverine has done remarkably well, and is by no means a failure. "

so true"

Exactly thats why Superman sucks and is boring he always wins and impossible to beat and kill. "

dont read much superman huh?"

Yes. And i know doomsday killed him but he stil came back to life. And he is impossible to beat that just proved it. Also he is boring. He too damn strong. Sorry i like Batman better. He more interesting character. "

yeah but everyone comes back to life.  steve rogers, bucky, jason todd, thanos, iron fist... everybody comes back to life.  i love batman too but i think superman's just as interesting.  he's just on a higher scale of power then batman.  he can realistically fight more powerful villains and i think that's cool."

Yeah but all them people you named not unstoppable like Superman is. "

well then hate on him for being unstoppable, not for coming back to life!  of course then you must not like the martian manhunter, darkseid, captain marvel, black adam, doomsday, cyborg superman, the flash... or anyone like that."

I hate on him for mostly being unstoppable. I do not care really he keeps coming back to life. "

thats why apparition said you must hate martian manhunter, darkseid,captain america, black adam, doomsday, cyborg superman. Also silver surfer, hulk, any gods and any hulk type character "

I do not. "

Black adam doesnt have the power of six gods.. he has small aspects of the gods power as a whole he is still not as powerful nor has a powerful of a single god.

"@Sidney said:

"@DEGRAAF said:

"@Sidney said:

"@Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Sidney said:

" @Apparition said:

"@Slinger said:

" @DEGRAAF: That's the point. All characters are just as successful at beating their enemies as the writers want them to be. It has nothing to do with whether or not they are actually capable of it. Hence, Spider-Man beating Firelord. Wolverine sells a crap-load of comic books. He's probably one of, if not the, most successful characters of all time due to his franchisability. He's marketed as an underdog, because that's who America likes to root for, if he get's too tough to beat then people lose interest and sales drop. For a character designed to get the crap kicked out of him by the Hulk, I would say that Wolverine has done remarkably well, and is by no means a failure. "

so true"

Exactly thats why Superman sucks and is boring he always wins and impossible to beat and kill. "

dont read much superman huh?"

Yes. And i know doomsday killed him but he stil came back to life. And he is impossible to beat that just proved it. Also he is boring. He too damn strong. Sorry i like Batman better. He more interesting character. "

yeah but everyone comes back to life.  steve rogers, bucky, jason todd, thanos, iron fist... everybody comes back to life.  i love batman too but i think superman's just as interesting.  he's just on a higher scale of power then batman.  he can realistically fight more powerful villains and i think that's cool."

Yeah but all them people you named not unstoppable like Superman is. "

well then hate on him for being unstoppable, not for coming back to life!  of course then you must not like the martian manhunter, darkseid, captain marvel, black adam, doomsday, cyborg superman, the flash... or anyone like that."

I hate on him for mostly being unstoppable. I do not care really he keeps coming back to life. "

thats why apparition said you must hate martian manhunter, darkseid,captain america, black adam, doomsday, cyborg superman. Also silver surfer, hulk, any gods and any hulk type character "

I do not. "

why they are all as invulnerable as superman, darkseid could only die one way and he will return, cyborg superman can not die in anyway, silver surfer is one of the stronest non god beings in marvel, black adam has the powers of like 6 gods. hulk is always considered as strong as or strong and more invulnerable than superman, nothing can really hurt him and he has no weaknesses as the hulk. "

you guys need to stop qouting the entire boxes and just qoute a single box, you guys are creating pages with every response.

Wolvy isnt a failure.
he changed alot of characters Lives.
and was a very important key player too. =D

Wolverine best in Marvel.

"Wolverine best in Marvel. "

"Wolvy isnt a failure.he changed alot of characters Lives.and was a very important key player too. =D "

"@DEGRAAF said:

"i posted this not saying that wolverine is a bad character or that he doesnt inpire others, i posted it saying he loses alot and even tho he was made to be basically indestructable unlike sabertooth or Daken,they both beat him almost every go around "

He loses a lot to Sabretooth because... wait no, he killed Sabretooth like two years ago. He loses to Daken because Daken is supposed to be Wolverine++. He was never meant to go up against Daken. Daken has been plot-deviced into comics to be able to one-up Wolverine. By these same standards, you could say that almost any hero is a FAILURE. Spider-Man is the worst failure ever. "

also i agree spiderman is the biggest failure out of all main character heroes

" ok he got the best of sabertooth once,he was smart to bc he probably wouldnt have gotten the best of him again so he killed him. 1 time outs of hundreds."

"@DEGRAAF said:

" ok he got the best of sabertooth once,he was smart to bc he probably wouldnt have gotten the best of him again so he killed him. 1 time outs of hundreds."

He has gotten the best of Sabretooth many a time. He beat him for the position of Death, which is how he got his adamantium back. He also beat him during the Mutant Massacre. These are just off the top of my head. It was a back-and-forth over decades, so don't try to say Wolverine always lost, or that he even lost 90% of the time, because it is simply not true.

@DEGRAAF said:

" ive never heard of daken supposed to be teh wolverine++. Ive only heard of him as his son, which being his son wolverine should have alot of experience on him "

Daken had his claws laced with the only thing that can actually kill Wolverine.

"

You will never see the phrase "Wolverine++" in a comic, so don't hold your breath on that one.

"also i agree spiderman is the biggest failure out of all main character heroes "

"@Shaianwillems said:

" @Korg: wat does dat mean?wolverine ++ "

He is the new Wolverine. Faster, stronger, better, additional powers, mohawk, tattoos, etc. His claws are coated in stuff that negates healing factors, and would be the death of Wolverine if he got tagged with them.

@Sidney said:

" How? "

He failed to stop a criminal who killed his uncle. He also leaves criminals webbed up all the time, when he knows full well that his webs dissolve in an hour. He failed to save Qwen Stacy, etc. He also cries like a little girl all the time, and has "quit" being Spider-Man more times than I can count. He's also a genius, but never uses his smarts to do anything of any real consequence, like Reed Richards and Tony Stark (and even Norman Osborn and others) have.

"

"Its true. He might be considereda bad ass but when it comes to his kind of mutants he is a failure. he loses to Sabertooth and Daken it seems like every time. Im not surre how he does against deadpool but deadpool was given their ability and wasnt born with it so i will say he isnt in the discussion.Between the three wolverines the only one until recently out of the three that was ever "upgraded" to be better than his natural self and yet he still loses constantly.Dont get me wrong i like wolverine as a character but i cant believe a failure like him is so popular and is a lead character and an icon. "

Everyone has there moments, be them good, bad & Epic Fail