*Respect given to Jinzin for compiling the majority of this info over at the KMC forums. I know some don't enjoy clicking links so here is a rehash for most of my viner ppl!*
Also going back and forth cooking dinner etc, checking links while I can, already pulled a good bit that appeared broken out. Work in progress.
The best there is at what he does. That’s a term that’s been thrown around a lot by Wolverine for years now. He is (arguably) at the apex of the pyramid when it comes to technical fighting. He has (arguably) a threshold of pain above anything we have seen out of a street level. He has (arguably) an endurance level unheard of by street levels. When it comes down to it, after reading his books, watching movies and hearing debates (mostly in the battle forums) what he is best at is not being understood completely by anyone. And I think that is a huge reason he is still interesting to this day. You just don't know what to expect.
Let’s start by taking a quick look at his fighting. He has been shown to beat some of the very best out there. He has been shown to have been trained by the very best. We have seen him bullet dodge. We have seen him speed blitz fight. We have seen him move faster than the human eye, doing all this without taking a hit. We HAVE seen it. It’s just hard to sort through all of it because for every bullet he dodges, he tanks 20 more. He takes hits from the Hulk and gets knocked out by a deer. Every situation that you can describe that Logan does something amazing, you can list 20 more times he has slipped on a banana peel (so to speak). If seeing is believing here are some scans for you.
Wolverine cuts a man’s tie in half without damaging the shirt underneath. An excellent display of skill and the control he has with his claws.
Cyclops assesses that Kitty must have learned that move from Wolverine: Uncanny X-Men 175
Wolverine blocks Riptides projectiles with his claws, an impressive showing for a weakened Wolverine.
Wolverine fights some Brood (and praises them on their combat skills), then displays an amazing degree of accuracy and control as he cuts Storm out of a skin tight net that holds her with a single swipe of his claws... again.
Wolverine, Colossus and Nightcrawler get into it with a bunch of cannon fodder nobodies. In spite of the fact that he is fighting a bunch of losers, Wolverine still shows an impressive amount of coordination as he lays into them with a smile on his face.
Wolverine destroys two incoming ninja while dancing and doesn't even drop his date:
Storm’s narrative reveals that she has been trained in hand to hand combat by Wolverine: Uncanny X-men 180
Wolverine teaches Storm how to fire a hand gun: Uncanny X-Men 187
(Srank) Wolverine shows his skills and accuracy as he stabs a quarter with his middle claw without even looking.
Wolverine breaks into the Danger Room while Dazzler is training. He effortlessly avoids the dangers... he even uses the lasers firing at him to light his cigar.
Wolverine comes to the Punisher's rescue but the villains have taken off in a helicopter... no worries, Wolverine knocks the helicopter out of the air by throwing a wretch at it!
Wolverine displays some of his hand to hand skills, taking down and disarming a group of thugs with his bare hands. There is also a nice display of strength here as Wolverine swings around a full grown man with on hand like he is a pillow.
A severely weakened Wolverine (the guy has one foot in deaths door... and will for years) demolishes three of Pierce’s robotic hounds.
Cyclops describes Deathverine as a “living, breathing, killing machine, more a force of nature than a man.”
(Srank) Wolverine manages to stay air borne, using the flight capabilities of his opponent for three pages before she manages to shake him off.
Wolverine shows his pinpoint accuracy with his claws - catching a grenade on the tip of his claw by stabbing it into the grenade's pinhole.
(Srank) Wolverine is constantly training, he eve uses the Danger Room to simulate the assassination of Magneto... and hell, he even manages to kill him a few times.
(Srank)Professor X hitches a ride in Wolverine’s mind when the X-Men are transported to another plan of existence. Xavier is amazed how Wolverine operates, his “muscles and mind working in perfect harmony... [his] senses picking up every sight, every sound.” The bombardment of Wolverine’s senses and the strain on his body of having Xavier in his head is stated to be beyond the level of human endurance... so it is doubtful Wolverine was even performing at 100% efficiency and yet Xavier was still amazed.
Wolverine – who is trying to recover from some nanites that shut down his healing factor – throws down with some heavily armed soldiers. There seems to be significant collateral damage in the surrounding area, but Wolverine didn’t get a scratch.
Wolvie puts a large man in a standing Kamora while simultaneously kicking his friend’s asses:
Wolverine threatens to use a nerve pinch on Rogue before she takes off from the fight:
Wolverine KO’s Storm with a nerve pinch:
Wolverine's got the skill to nail three bullseyes with darts without looking; He then stack-bullseyes them:
Wolverine deals with Tess the robot, making use of his skill and actually produces damage against it; Where as Cap got tossed around:
Wolverine has to come in to save Cap from the Hand ninja:
Wolverine IS Captain America: Just give the man a trash can lid and see what he can do.
Wolverine shows a nice little display of skill against the overwheling numbers of the Collective Man:
Wolverine easily manhandles Crusher Creel and ex-heavyweight boxing champion:
Wolverine uses his skill to block one man's lunging punch and use it against his comrade:
Wolverine nonchalantly uses a Chin-na hold to toss a large man through a wall:
Wolverine uses his fighting prowess to fight back against the hand:
Wolverine without a healing factor and shackled with his arms behind his back takes on a few armed guards with his feet:
Wolverine takes down an airplane with a sword throw using his left hand:
Yea, the majority of that is against a bunch of no names, so the list continues...
Wolverine gets the jump on Black Panther; Thing's intervention helps Black Panther survive the encounter but in all fairness Wolverine had a surprise attack and a killing intent while BP didn't; Nice display on Wolverine's behalf tossing BP around though:
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Wolverine layeth down the ownage upon Blade (AFTER having an admitted fight with Omega Red):
In their second fight Wolverine has the mind of a werewolf (which is less than impressive when you see that mind on display in caps thought boxes an issue or two later; he refers to his shield as "shiny thing") and is STILL capible of bring Cap down; cap supporters say this isn't a win, but if Cap was so prone to defend himself and raise his shield from Wolvie's claws, he sure didn't do a good job of defending himself from Moonhunters needle. .... Anyways:
Wolverine incapacitates Cap's evil doppleganger during the Infinity War:
(non 616) Wolverine outright KILLS the Captain during an alternate version of Inferno:
(non 616) Wolverine makes short work of Conan while in a state of Berserker Rage; He once again shows how crafty he can be while in this state going after Conan's hand instead of his sword:
Not much of a fight, just Logan knocking out Crossbones with a single punch, something I've never seen Cap OR Redskull do:
Wolverine puts DD in a full nelson in only a few panels, even after DD blindsides him:
(non 616) Wolverine kills an enhanced snake mutated DD:
I hadn’t previously realized that this is actually a fairly impressive feat for Wolverine so I hadn’t added this into the thread until very recently. Anyway, Wolverine is brainwashed, his thoughts are not his completely his own, and what little control over his thoughts he does retain is still shown to be in contrast with several conflicting influences. In spite of that AND the fact that he was trying to fight his brain washing and conditioning and stop from bagging another mask Wolverine’s still able to kick DD hard enough to make him drop his
billyclubs and fight him into a corner delivering a nasty gash to DD’s solar plexus. DD manages to knock some of the brainwashing loose with a dumbbell to the head and the jolt of mental freedom makes Wolverine lose his equilibrium causing him to stumble and trip onto a sword. Still, he’s capable of nearly besting a top tier even without any of his own thoughts or skills to aid him. Some people claim that the Hand had some influence in the fight, but by the time DD and Wolverine started actually getting into it, there were only two or three Hand
Wolverine mentioning his attempts to resist Hydra/Hand’s orders:
Though argueably meta/superhuman Elektra's abilities have been honed through training, she has no super powers through gifts of science, magic, or mutation so I put her into street level: Bone-Clawed Wolverine in his feral state outmaneuvers Elektra into where HE wants her to go:
Here for the same reasons as Elektra; Junzo's badass enough to toss Iron Fist aside like a child twice, and powerful enough to KO Luke Cage with two blows; He even has control over the elements... Doesn't save him from the onslaught that is Wolverine though:
Fury brings a ton of toys to the fight and even recognizes that Wolverine's holding back against him.. Neither does him any good:
Wolverine easily dispatches Matsuo who has matched psylocke in the past in h2h combat:
(non 616) Wolverine kills Moonknight:
(616 canon surprisingly) Wolverine beats up on Nightman while standing up to his tasers:
During training with Ogun, Logan loses himself to a berserker rage and beats the master down:
Wolverine has his first confrontation with the demonized Ogun, he get thrashed from one end of town to the other, until he once again loses himself to a berserker rage; Then he rails through Ogun:
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Logan disarms demonized Ogun without even having to resort to berserker rage this time:
Wolverine picks Punisher off; Punisher just fought a Gorilla so he isn't up to 100%:
Wolverine gets ambushed; Him and Punisher go back at it, Punisher manages to hold him till the fight stops, but that's all.
Even written by Garth Ennis, Punisher admits that Wolverine's able to walk all over him; In fact, he attributes any advantage he gains throug this fight as dumb luck:
5. http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/...unisher5kr7.jpg (after that, Wolvie gets the ro sham bo.)
(non 616) Wolverine one shots Punisher in Punisher’s own Pun vs. the MU book:
Wolverine gets revenge for Punisher running him over with a steam roller; Wolverine's just playing with him the whole time and
still kicks his ass:
Wolverine who's been tortured and had his life force sucked out of him by the Vampire Styx meets up with Razorfist, Razorfist does surprisingly pretty well... at least till Logan unleashes TEH CLAUSE!:
(non 616) Makes rather quick work of Red Sonja:
Wolverine easily hands Shang Chi his ass on a platter:
Wolverine easily takes down Shatterstar; Shatterstar finds himself shocked to be infront of "Lord Wolverine" who's a legend of the future:
They fight again, but under mush harsher conditions:
Wolverine takes down Shingen:
He is known as a berserker first and foremost in the marvel universe. Where does this come from? Why would he do this when he has the ability to do MORE? It’s simple. From a writer’s standpoint it doesn’t showcase his super human power. His main power that is shown is NOT that fact that he can do these things, it’s the fact that he can get his ass kicked and keep going. That IS his power. Why would you write a super hero book and not showcase their main ability? If you took the amount of punishment Logan takes in a given year of books and spread that damage around to the entire street level community of marvel (minus the ones with some sort of healing factor) it would wipe them out. Don’t like reading your Wolverine that way? Go read Iron Fist if you want someone shown consistently as one of the best fighters in the MU. That is IF’s main attraction. It’s NOT Wolverines. It’s a side attraction with him. For proof of this, simply take a bit of time to look at some covers of Wolverine books vs Covers of other widely known heroes. Oddly enough, while most comics show their characters doing wonderful things with their powers...most of the time you see Wolverine on his cover getting stomped choked claws broken you name it.
Now, lets jump into the Healing factor. I read a post some time ago, and I really enjoyed it. I wish to god before every Wolverine vs thread in the battle forums readers would take a min to read this about the character. All credit for this write up should be directed at jinzin of the KMC forums.
*Okay well, for the knock out scenario let us first examine how knock outs occur in the first place.
Knock outs happen when the brain is rocked back and forth inside the head causing it to bounce around in the skull. When it does so the electrical synapses that fire off in the brain which help to dictate balance and motor skills get jolted. When the brain hits the front of the skull they fire from the front backward, and when it hits the back of the skull, the opposite.. When the Synapses get caught in the crossfire, it causes the nervous system to "short circuit" causing the person to lose their motor skills and consciousness.
By way of boxing and full contact fighting statistics it's rare for people to be knocked out for more than a minute, it's extremely rare for them to slip into a coma.
This is important because:
Wolverine's been described on multitudes of occasions as taking damage from bullets, knives or explosions that would kill a man, ten men, twenty, an elephant, and even a herd of elephants... Yet in most of these references Wolverine continues not only to struggle, but to put up a full fledged fight. We know for certain that Wolverine can heal from an exploded heart in as fast as a few minutes, and once his nervous system regenerates he's able to pull off the same feat with his entire mass from a skeleton as well.
One incident in particular comes to mind; Wolverine and Sabretooth were kicking the livin hell out one another, Wolverine recognized that they were trading punishment that would have killed dozens of men; Wolverine can heal from mortal afflictions capable of killing dozens of men fast enough not to be bothered by it to slow down his fight with another vicious superhuman... Why is this important?
Because: Think about the rate at which you heal; A scrape, a cut, they might take a few days do scab over, and can take up to a few weeks before their appearance completely subsides. Think about that rate of healing and then think about how long it would take your body to heal at that rate from a knive wound. Weeks? Months?
Imagine how long it would take to regenerate an entire arm at that rate of healing... It would probably take decades... These are wounds Wolverine recovers from in minutes, seconds even.
When you put all that into perspective, recovering from a knock out at the rate Wolverine heals is practically nothing. Theoretically he could heal from a KO in a nanosecond or less.
It's conceivable that Wolverine DOES get knocked out every time he gets hit by a brick, but he heals from the KO so fast that he recovers before he loses his balance or falls over... It's even possible that he experiences flashes of blackouts without falling down.
Another explanation is that Wolverine's healing factor has adapted his body to it.
The human body is an extraordinary thing. In martial arts, the fighter can condition their body to be capable of rending through steel without breaking a bone. How is this possible?
Constant training; the use of forearm to forearm, causes substantial damage to the outer bone. The body then deposits calcium into pockets of the bone. These calcium deposits make the bone denser, and denser and denser.. Eventually the martial artist can graduate to practicing with the wooden dummy, and then the iron dummy.
Now, we know that Wolverine's healing factor restores him just the way he was before he took whatever damage he's had to heal from, HOWEVER, we also know that Wolverine's brain learned how to heal over itself, to protect Wolverine from mental damage; It's possible that it also learned how to protect him from physical damage as well, developing something akin to "Homer Simpson Syndrome".
This would explain why it was easier for bricks to knock him unconscious in his classic appearances than it seems to be now.
Perhaps it's grown tissue inside the skull to keep the head from bouncing around...
Either one of these explanations are plausible, but both are speculation.
Just adding a bit to this. I see many times in comics that Logan doesnt KO other heros. Why not? If he is the best he should def be able to! Let's take a min to look at this and figure out why.
Most of the heroes that Logan tangles with and is compared to are heroes that are extremely agile, are bricks or have healing factors. These are the people we often see him pitted against on the VS forums. I see constantly "he cant even tag" or "he isnt strong enough to" and those arguments are complete...poop. I'll tell you why.
We will start with Spider-Man. Keep in mind that Logan's strength (when compared to most of these, even Spider-Man) is a joke. He doesn't have the strength to outright KO most of these guys. What he has the ability to maim and kill these guys. That's what the claws are for. That's what the weapon surplus project intended. They didn't intend for KO's. His weapons ARE his claws. Is he going to punch Peter Parker in the face and get a KO? No, he would kill him. Is he capable of it? Sure as shit is! Why doesn't he? Take a min to think about this, I shouldn't even have to answer. For more on these fights, and Logan's "inability" to tag him, check out some of these scans and then make a more educated opinion.
Three authorities including a Spiderman writer on top of a majority of fans give the nod to Wolverine taking Spiderman in a straight fight:
According to Shield's/Nick Fury's personal files, Wolverine operates on a higher overall Power Level than Spiderman:
Spiderman's file has him at an 8:
While Wolverine's boast a 9:
While these two had met before on shakey grounds at best in an X-Men team-up it wasn't until Secret Wars that Spiderman and Wolverine actually got a chance to measure each other up in person. Wolverine, underestimates Parker and it costs him a bit of humiliation, Wolverine's pretty embarrassed though Spiderman's smack does next to nothing as Wolverine's immediately on his feet again.
In their second and probably most famous encounter, Wolverine and Spiderman met at odds when Wolverine was forced to attempt to kill his lover to save her from a fate worse than death, Spiderman being who he is rushes into a situation that isn't his business. He gives Wolverine everything he's got and seemingly puts him on the defensive for a while, Wolverine also puts up an amazing display of speed that has Spiderman considering that Logan may very well be faster than himself, Wolverine eventually manages to land three positions on Spiderman that could have easily been kill shots but he's not out for blood, when the fight ends in what Spidey assumes is a stalemate, we see that while Wolverine's quick to disappear from the scene, Spiderman's fatigue/adrenaline/and stress has already caught up to him:
I've seen arguments that stated that Wolverine simply couldn't hit Spiderman in the graveyard and that it had nothing to do with him holding back, I disagree, and one of the major reasons why I disagree is because immediately after that battle in Spectacular, Logan tracked Pete down to talk to him a bit. With one noncholant swing he was able to rip through Parker's clothing before Parker could even react:
In their next encounter, it's fairly clear that IF Wolverine did have any inability to legitimately tag Parker that had nothing to do with CIS, he had definitely lost it by this time around; Spiderman attacks Wolverine from behind and up top thinking he's an imposter, with his back to Spiderman Logan dodges his punch. Logan also manages to smack Peter back a fairly large distance with a single blow, and manages to assert at least SOME degree of superiority to Peter in h2h combat here:
While Spiderman is attempting to stop Wolverine, Wolverine is quick to grab Spiderman by the throat and ram his head into a tree threatening him at clawpoint:
Wolverine being goaded into a rage is attempted to be subdued by Spiderman and Daredevil, in spite of Spiderman's speed, agility, reflexes, and attempt to web Wolverine to a wall, Wolverine tears the wall dwn and drops Spiderman with a nut shot ouch:
Though Wolverine is webbed up from head to toe in a non-fight with Spiderman, All he needs is one free wrist to have him completely out of the webbing in no time:
After Spiderman's upgrades from The Other, Wolverine still manages to tag Parker in mid combat drawing blood from the Spider's gut, Parker tries to retaliate but passes out from blood loss, in spite of the barrage Logan allows himself to take he stands and mocks Spiderman like nothing happened:
5. http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/1536/humilitytx9.jpg ( I apologize for the obnoxious paint, I simply didn't have enough will power to scan by this point anymore)
(non 616) Spiderman once again manages to find himself at clawpoint with an angry Wolverine:
(non 616) Wolverine makes extremely short work of Spiderman's cacoon webbing:
After Fallen Son, Spiderman attacks Logan out of anger; Wolverine's quick to put him back in his place.
In another timeline Wolverine killed Peter during the Inferno Saga:
Yet in another Spiderman gets as close to a real win as he's ever gotten over Logan since Secret Wars, but thanks to Hydra's tech, Logan manages to kill Parker Anyway: