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So my question is simple, being a wolverine fan since he was widely the most popular character when I was growing up, i'm slightly attached to his character but ever since I've been surfing comicvine I've come to the conclusion that he's actually pretty tame compared to a vast amount of characters.
So what's the greatest accomplishment of Wolverine when its comes to his skill as a fighter? Or is he just generally nothing special?
Wolverine
Character » Wolverine appears in 16078 issues.
A long-lived mutant with the rage of a beast and the soul of a Samurai, James "Logan" Howlett's once mysterious past is filled with blood, war, and betrayal. Possessing an accelerated healing factor, keenly enhanced senses, and bone claws in each hand (along with his skeleton) that are coated in adamantium; Wolverine is, without question, the ultimate weapon.
Is Wolverine weak?
Wolverine is often touted as "the best there is at what he does", but X-force (pre-Uncanny X-Force, post-Cable X-Force) detailed how X23, his clone...ish daughter w/o adamantium bones (but w/ adamantium claws) comments on how he "heals too slow" and how his bones/age drag him down.
He has lots of experience to.
As for "how strong" he is... he does not have superhuman strength... however, he probably has captain-america-like "best possible" human strength, due to his constant healing and constant "exercise" (lugging around those bones). However, his bones also - again - slow him down and require more effort/strength to move.
I always knew he wasn't great when it came to his strength, but has he ever overcome odds in a fight in which he's considered an underdog?
I always knew he wasn't great when it came to his strength, but has he ever overcome odds in a fight in which he's considered an underdog?Sabertooth was often Wolverine's "Venom"... IE, the guy he could not beat. But like Spiderman, he overcame this.
Wolverine's most recent "local threat" was Romulus, a near-immortal mutant who was grooming him his entire life to be his replacement. He out-think Romulus, which was "overcoming some odds"...
Generally, when Wolverine is in a fight, he's not stronger than his opponent... but cuts. It's the typical Scissors VS Rock story.
Wolverine is stronger and a better fighter than Cap. He is more agile, faster too.
Logan is awesome. Some think its cool to not like the most popular guy, but they are in denial... Logan is awesome!
Is Captain America weak? Is Batman weak? Is Daredevil weak? No, no way...
Wolverine's mutant powers give him incredible healing powers, and heightened senses. Because of his healing ability, he was able to survive the process that fused Adamantium (the hardest metal in the Marvel universe) to his entire skeleton, so his bones are unbreakable... Now, the downside to that is that, adamantium is poison to the body, so his healing factor is having to constantly deal with the adamantium poisoning. If one turns off his healing ability, he would likely die from the adamantium poisoning.
What has made Wolverine so popular is not his power level. So, what is it?
1: He's just interesting... His CHARACTER aside from any powers is just VERY interesting.
2: His history. He's very long lived. He's been all over the world, lived in many different cultures, speaks many different languages, and has picked up many different skills just from the natural course of living.
3: He's a trained Samurai. He is not like many other marvel characters that were trained in martial arts or shown how to use a sword; Logan WAS / IS an actually Samurai.
4: He's a super spy / black ops agent. Much like The Black Widow... Most of us love The Black Widow. She has no super powers, but she is highly trained, very intelligent, quick on her feet, and just VERY good at what she does... Wolverine has this in addition to everything else he has going for him.
So, he's VERY hard to kill, he's nearly impossible to break (physically), he's a super spy, he's a Samurai, and he likes beer....
Would you want him to be the diplomatic liaison on your team? LOL!!!! Of course not.
Would you put him against Galactus, Thanos, Superman, or the Sentry in a one on one fight? Um... Only if you want to see him tortured... He's not in their class with regard to power levels... it's not likely that he'd ever beat the Hulk in a fight, but he would definitely slow him down and he would SURVIVE... He has fought the Hulk, one on one, and SURVIVED... THAT in itself should say something about whether or not he is weak.
Consider just SOME of the things he has survived:
- One on one fight with The Hulk
- A nuclear blast from Nitro
- Being stabbed through the heart with a Katana by Kitty Pryde while she was possessed.
- A fall to the ground FROM ORBIT... (On Breakworld.) Think about that. Burning up on entry, and THEN smashing into the ground.
and the list goes on. Now, this doesn't mean he CAN'T be killed. He can. And it wouldn't take a cosmically powerful character to do it. Kitty Pryde could kill Wolverine by phasing him into the earth, or a wall... Or she could kill him like she did in Exiles (this was a Kitty and Wolverine from other dimensions). I believe Dust (Sooraya) could kill Wolverine by flaying the flesh off his bones until there's none left... If Elixir (Josh Foley) could touch Wolverine (without getting killed himself) he could shut Wolverine's healing power off. Blink could Kill Wolverine by teleporting away his organs, repeatedly, until he lost the ability to heal...The Human Torch (when he comes back from the dead, and he will) could kill Wolverine by going super nova and burning every bit of flesh off of Logan's bones... Magneto could OBVIOUSLY kill Wolverine. it's likely that Emma Frost could kill Wolverine with a psychic attack...maybe...(POSSIBLE, but I don't know how likely it is.)
Okay... He's 'hard' to kill but not impossible. He has many different skills. He has a great history. He's a warrior and a super spy. He's a hunter and a tracker... and he REALLY likes beer... He's NO boy scout. He's not pretentious, and he NEVER gives up on his friends or team mates....
No, he's not weak.
@MoshinDMoe: Is he weak? No... Absolutely not... Is Captain America weak? Is Batman weak? Is Daredevil weak? No, no way... Wolverine's mutant powers give him incredible healing powers, and heightened senses. Because of his healing ability, he was able to survive the process that fused Adamantium (the hardest metal in the Marvel universe) to his entire skeleton, so his bones are unbreakable... Now, the downside to that is that, adamantium is poison to the body, so his healing factor is having to constantly deal with the adamantium poisoning. If one turns off his healing ability, he would likely die from the adamantium poisoning. What has made Wolverine so popular is not his power level. So, what is it? 1: He's just interesting... His CHARACTER aside from any powers is just VERY interesting. 2: His history. He's very long lived. He's been all over the world, lived in many different cultures, speaks many different languages, and has picked up many different skills just from the natural course of living. 3: He's a trained Samurai. He is not like many other marvel characters that were trained in martial arts or shown how to use a sword; Logan WAS / IS an actually Samurai. 4: He's a super spy / black ops agent. Much like The Black Widow... Most of us love The Black Widow. She has no super powers, but she is highly trained, very intelligent, quick on her feet, and just VERY good at what she does... Wolverine has this in addition to everything else he has going for him. So, he's VERY hard to kill, he's nearly impossible to break (physically), he's a super spy, he's a Samurai, and he likes beer.... Would you want him to be the diplomatic liaison on your team? LOL!!!! Of course not. Would you put him against Galactus, Thanos, Superman, or the Sentry in a one on one fight? Um... Only if you want to see him tortured... He's not in their class with regard to power levels... it's not likely that he'd ever beat the Hulk in a fight, but he would definitely slow him down and he would SURVIVE... He has fought the Hulk, one on one, and SURVIVED... THAT in itself should say something about whether or not he is weak. Consider just SOME of the things he has survived: - One on one fight with The Hulk - A nuclear blast from Nitro - Being stabbed through the heart with a Katana by Kitty Pryde while she was possessed. - A fall to the ground FROM ORBIT... (On Breakworld.) Think about that. Burning up on entry, and THEN smashing into the ground. and the list goes on. Now, this doesn't mean he CAN'T be killed. He can. And it wouldn't take a cosmically powerful character to do it. Kitty Pryde could kill Wolverine by phasing him into the earth, or a wall... Or she could kill him like she did in Exiles (this was a Kitty and Wolverine from other dimensions). I believe Dust (Sooraya) could kill Wolverine by flaying the flesh off his bones until there's none left... If Elixir (Josh Foley) could touch Wolverine (without getting killed himself) he could shut Wolverine's healing power off. Blink could Kill Wolverine by teleporting away his organs, repeatedly, until he lost the ability to heal...The Human Torch (when he comes back from the dead, and he will) could kill Wolverine by going super nova and burning every bit of flesh off of Logan's bones... Magneto could OBVIOUSLY kill Wolverine. it's likely that Emma Frost could kill Wolverine with a psychic attack...maybe...(POSSIBLE, but I don't know how likely it is.) Okay... He's 'hard' to kill but not impossible. He has many different skills. He has a great history. He's a warrior and a super spy. He's a hunter and a tracker... and he REALLY likes beer... He's NO boy scout. He's not pretentious, and he NEVER gives up on his friends or team mates.... No, he's not weak.All this.
After reading "Wolverine Goes To Hell" it gives a testament to how strong he is mentally as well.
yes. = /
look at the strength thread and stop making statements in the form of facts rather then your personal opinion.
Wolverine is stronger and a better fighter than Cap. He is more agile, faster too. Logan is awesome. Some think its cool to not like the most popular guy, but they are in denial... Logan is awesome!So we're just ignoring all those times Cap beat him down then?
Wolverine was a great concept but he's been hampered with over exposure and bad writing over the years. He's puts up a good fight but he tends to rely way too much on his ridiculous healing factor nowadays. He's like a mutant bullet sponge.
Worst healing factor moment for me was when he regenerated his entire organic tissue after an explosion from Nitro.
Seriously Marvel, WHAT THE HELL ?!!
No, Wolverine is not weak. While he doesn't have super-strength, he should at least be stronger than Captain America. I mean, think about it: The dude's bones are coated in adamantium which adds at least 100 lbs to his body weight. It's a feat alone to just walk with that much weight on you at all times let alone scrap with the Hulk like it was practice.
His fighting skills are superb and he's shown that numerous times while fighting Cap, Sabretooth, Silver Samurai, Gambit, etc. He's got so much experience it's ridiculous. Over 110 years to be exact.
His healing factor is probably one of the strongest in Marvel and possibly in all comics. He's held his own against Hulk (and probably lasted longer than someone like the Thing, imo), taken a blast from Nitro point blank, and had adamantium put into his body via Weapon X and having it ripped out by Magneto. I could go on and on.
So, in short, he's not weak.
@Wise Son said:His brain was intact, more or less, though, right?Worst healing factor moment for me was when he regenerated his entire organic tissue after an explosion from Nitro. Seriously Marvel, WHAT THE HELL ?!!Wolverine was a great concept but he's been hampered with over exposure and bad writing over the years. He's puts up a good fight but he tends to rely way too much on his ridiculous healing factor nowadays. He's like a mutant bullet sponge.
Deadpool has had many deaths where they destroy his brain and he comes back not a blank slate... and that's even worse.
It's a feat alone to just walk with that much weight on you at all times let alone scrap with the Hulk like it was practice.Unless it was like Titanium, which is very light even for a strong metal.
when the f#$%? did Cap beat him down? o_O
enemy of the state? context, pls.
the shield bash was a joke and cap was the one to land the final hit after the battle damage soak he took on from other heroes.
cap was at the right place at the right time.
and the muramasa blade one, Cap didnt win jack sh#$...
This, i agree he is a good character design, but he is WAY too over exposed, being on two Avengers teams, on the X men, on X force AND having his own series, geesh, and i also agree he relies way too much on his healing factor, seeing as how he has had a century of fighting training,and mastered probably more martial arts than Batman, why would he take all of the punishment, i.e bullets, slashes, flame throwers, when he could easily dodge it? technically he can probably defeat an army WITHOUT his clawsWolverine was a great concept but he's been hampered with over exposure and bad writing over the years. He's puts up a good fight but he tends to rely way too much on his ridiculous healing factor nowadays. He's like a mutant bullet sponge.
@Gambit1024 said:Nope, it says on the bio that he's 300 with the metal, 200 something without.It's a feat alone to just walk with that much weight on you at all times let alone scrap with the Hulk like it was practice.Unless it was like Titanium, which is very light even for a strong metal.
@Wise Son:Exactly. I'm thinking he's a bit of a masochist. He'd have to be a glutton for punishment to take all those unnecessary beatings when they could be avoided..
This, i agree he is a good character design, but he is WAY too over exposed, being on two Avengers teams, on the X men, on X force AND having his own series, geesh, and i also agree he relies way too much on his healing factor, seeing as how he has had a century of fighting training,and mastered probably more martial arts than Batman, why would he take all of the punishment, i.e bullets, slashes, flame throwers, when he could easily dodge it? technically he can probably defeat an army WITHOUT his clawsWolverine was a great concept but he's been hampered with over exposure and bad writing over the years. He's puts up a good fight but he tends to rely way too much on his ridiculous healing factor nowadays. He's like a mutant bullet sponge.
i have Wolvien entire appearance from his 1st appearance to 2001.
care to tell me what fights Cap proved himself superior?
Wolverine has even beaten Cap's @$$ when he was given a wolf mentality and Cap nearly got three adamantium blades run through his head had the woman controlling Wolvie had not stopped him.
in a flashback cap storytaking place in mid 40's Captain America got his sh#$ pushed in by a gang of hand ninjas which Wolverine had to show up and rescue Cap from his decapitation.
Wolverine even trashed talked Cap a few time in the 80's from time to time. i remember when Wolverine told Cap that a terrorist is what a big army calls the little army and stared him down..
so pls give examples of Cap beat down of Wolverine.
@Wise Son said:As far as I've heard Ultimate Wolverine can heal himself from a single cell. Plus without the Adamantium he heals faster and is faster, but since the metal constantly "kills" so his healing factor is constantly working.Worst healing factor moment for me was when he regenerated his entire organic tissue after an explosion from Nitro. Seriously Marvel, WHAT THE HELL ?!!Wolverine was a great concept but he's been hampered with over exposure and bad writing over the years. He's puts up a good fight but he tends to rely way too much on his ridiculous healing factor nowadays. He's like a mutant bullet sponge.
Cap fanboys stand down. Logan is better fighter, he is stronger, takes punches from Hulk and took a nice shot from Wonderman who has Sentry level strength and shrugged it off. If it was Cap, he would have died.
Logan can take anything Cap can dish out while Logan just needs to pop his claws once and Cap is dead again.
Wolverine's pretty cool. He's often beat up a lot becasue he can take a lot of punishment due to a advanced healing factor
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