Is Wolverine weak?

#1 Posted by MoshinDMoe (13 posts) - - Show Bio

Hi I'm new, so if I broken any rules I apologise, I couldn't find any rules for this particular section 
 
So my question is simple, being a wolverine fan since he was widely the most popular character when I was growing up, i'm  slightly attached to his character but ever since I've been surfing comicvine I've come to  the conclusion that he's actually pretty tame compared to a vast amount of characters. 
 
So what's the greatest accomplishment of Wolverine when its comes to his skill as a fighter? Or is he just generally nothing special?

#2 Posted by labarith (730 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine is often touted as "the best there is at what he does", but X-force (pre-Uncanny X-Force, post-Cable X-Force) detailed how X23, his clone...ish daughter w/o adamantium bones (but w/ adamantium claws) comments on how he "heals too slow" and how his bones/age drag him down. 
 
He has lots of experience to. 
 
As for "how strong" he is... he does not have superhuman strength... however, he probably has captain-america-like "best possible" human strength, due to his constant healing and constant "exercise" (lugging around those bones).  However, his bones also - again - slow him down and require more effort/strength to move.

#3 Posted by MoshinDMoe (13 posts) - - Show Bio

I always knew he wasn't great when it came to his strength, but has he ever overcome odds in a fight in which he's considered an underdog?

#4 Posted by tensor (6085 posts) - - Show Bio

he gave red hulk a run for his money 

#5 Posted by labarith (730 posts) - - Show Bio
@MoshinDMoe said:
I always knew he wasn't great when it came to his strength, but has he ever overcome odds in a fight in which he's considered an underdog?
Sabertooth was often Wolverine's "Venom"... IE, the guy he could not beat.  But like Spiderman, he overcame this. 
 
Wolverine's most recent "local threat" was Romulus, a near-immortal mutant who was grooming him his entire life to be his replacement.  He out-think Romulus, which was "overcoming some odds"...  
 
Generally, when Wolverine is in a fight, he's not stronger than his opponent... but cuts.  It's the typical Scissors VS Rock story.
#6 Posted by Wise Son (1796 posts) - - Show Bio
Wolverine was a great concept but he's been hampered with over exposure and bad writing over the years. He's puts up a good fight but he tends to rely way too much on his ridiculous healing factor nowadays. He's like a mutant bullet sponge. 
#7 Posted by labarith (730 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually appreciate the healing factor boost.

#8 Posted by Kairan1979 (17085 posts) - - Show Bio
@Wise Son
which is ridiculous if we remember the amount of training he received.
#9 Posted by Wise Son (1796 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kairan1979: Exactly. He should be putting it to good use. Half the time he's just lunging in and out taking several rounds to the chest. Speaking of guns, why doesn't he use them anymore? Doesn't he think that would add some range? 
#10 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (5235 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine is stronger and a better fighter than Cap. He is more agile, faster too.  
Logan is awesome. Some think its cool to not like the most popular guy, but they are in denial... Logan is awesome!
#11 Posted by labarith (730 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edgeworth_11 said:
Wolverine is stronger and a better fighter than Cap. 
Stronger?  By definition, no.
#12 Posted by Timandm (3393 posts) - - Show Bio
@MoshinDMoe: Is he weak?  No... Absolutely not...
 
Is Captain America weak?  Is Batman weak?  Is Daredevil weak?  No, no way...
 
Wolverine's mutant powers give him incredible healing powers, and heightened senses.  Because of his healing ability, he was able to survive the process that fused Adamantium (the hardest metal in the Marvel universe) to his entire skeleton, so his bones are unbreakable...  Now, the downside to that is that, adamantium is poison to the body, so his healing factor is having to constantly deal with the adamantium poisoning.  If one turns off his healing ability, he would likely die from the adamantium poisoning.
 
What has made Wolverine so popular is not his power level.   So, what is it?
1: He's just interesting... His CHARACTER aside from any powers is just VERY interesting.
2: His history.  He's very long lived.  He's been all over the world, lived in many different cultures, speaks many different languages, and has picked up many different skills just from the natural course of living.
3: He's a trained Samurai.  He is not like many other marvel characters that were trained in martial arts or shown how to use a sword; Logan WAS / IS an actually Samurai.
4: He's a super spy / black ops agent.  Much like The Black Widow...  Most of us love The Black Widow.  She has no super powers, but she is highly trained, very intelligent, quick on her feet, and just VERY good at what she does...  Wolverine has this in addition to everything else he has going for him.
 
So, he's VERY hard to kill, he's nearly impossible to break (physically), he's a super spy, he's a Samurai, and he likes beer....
 
Would you want him to be the diplomatic liaison on your team?  LOL!!!! Of course not.
Would you put him against Galactus, Thanos, Superman, or the Sentry in a one on one fight?   Um... Only if you want to see him tortured...  He's not in their class with regard to power levels...  it's not likely that he'd ever beat the Hulk in a fight, but he would definitely slow him down and he would SURVIVE...  He has fought the Hulk, one on one, and SURVIVED...  THAT in itself should say something about whether or not he is weak.
 
Consider just SOME of the things he has survived:
- One on one fight with The Hulk
- A nuclear blast from Nitro
- Being stabbed through the heart with a Katana by Kitty Pryde while she was possessed.
- A fall to the ground FROM ORBIT... (On Breakworld.) Think about that.  Burning up on entry, and THEN smashing into the ground.
 
and the list goes on.   Now, this doesn't mean he CAN'T be killed.  He can.  And it wouldn't take a cosmically powerful character to do it.  Kitty Pryde could kill Wolverine by phasing him into the earth, or a wall... Or she could kill him like she did in Exiles (this was a Kitty and Wolverine from other dimensions).  I believe Dust (Sooraya) could kill Wolverine by flaying the flesh off his bones until there's none left...  If Elixir (Josh Foley) could touch Wolverine (without getting killed himself) he could shut Wolverine's healing power off.    Blink could Kill Wolverine by teleporting away his organs, repeatedly, until he lost the ability to heal...The Human Torch (when he comes back from the dead, and he will) could kill Wolverine by going super nova and burning every bit of flesh off of Logan's bones...  Magneto could OBVIOUSLY kill Wolverine.  it's likely that Emma Frost could kill Wolverine with a psychic attack...maybe...(POSSIBLE, but I don't know how likely it is.)
 
Okay... He's 'hard' to kill but not impossible.  He has many different skills.  He has a great history.  He's a warrior and a super spy.  He's a hunter and a tracker... and he REALLY likes beer...  He's NO boy scout.  He's not pretentious, and he NEVER gives up on his friends or team mates....
 
No, he's not weak.
#13 Posted by perry_411 (453 posts) - - Show Bio
@MoshinDMoe: He's average for a mutant
#14 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5825 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

#15 Posted by Kallarkz (3389 posts) - - Show Bio
@Timandm said:
@MoshinDMoe: Is he weak?  No... Absolutely not...  Is Captain America weak?  Is Batman weak?  Is Daredevil weak?  No, no way...  Wolverine's mutant powers give him incredible healing powers, and heightened senses.  Because of his healing ability, he was able to survive the process that fused Adamantium (the hardest metal in the Marvel universe) to his entire skeleton, so his bones are unbreakable...  Now, the downside to that is that, adamantium is poison to the body, so his healing factor is having to constantly deal with the adamantium poisoning.  If one turns off his healing ability, he would likely die from the adamantium poisoning.  What has made Wolverine so popular is not his power level.   So, what is it? 1: He's just interesting... His CHARACTER aside from any powers is just VERY interesting. 2: His history.  He's very long lived.  He's been all over the world, lived in many different cultures, speaks many different languages, and has picked up many different skills just from the natural course of living. 3: He's a trained Samurai.  He is not like many other marvel characters that were trained in martial arts or shown how to use a sword; Logan WAS / IS an actually Samurai. 4: He's a super spy / black ops agent.  Much like The Black Widow...  Most of us love The Black Widow.  She has no super powers, but she is highly trained, very intelligent, quick on her feet, and just VERY good at what she does...  Wolverine has this in addition to everything else he has going for him.  So, he's VERY hard to kill, he's nearly impossible to break (physically), he's a super spy, he's a Samurai, and he likes beer....  Would you want him to be the diplomatic liaison on your team?  LOL!!!! Of course not. Would you put him against Galactus, Thanos, Superman, or the Sentry in a one on one fight?   Um... Only if you want to see him tortured...  He's not in their class with regard to power levels...  it's not likely that he'd ever beat the Hulk in a fight, but he would definitely slow him down and he would SURVIVE...  He has fought the Hulk, one on one, and SURVIVED...  THAT in itself should say something about whether or not he is weak.  Consider just SOME of the things he has survived: - One on one fight with The Hulk - A nuclear blast from Nitro - Being stabbed through the heart with a Katana by Kitty Pryde while she was possessed. - A fall to the ground FROM ORBIT... (On Breakworld.) Think about that.  Burning up on entry, and THEN smashing into the ground.  and the list goes on.   Now, this doesn't mean he CAN'T be killed.  He can.  And it wouldn't take a cosmically powerful character to do it.  Kitty Pryde could kill Wolverine by phasing him into the earth, or a wall... Or she could kill him like she did in Exiles (this was a Kitty and Wolverine from other dimensions).  I believe Dust (Sooraya) could kill Wolverine by flaying the flesh off his bones until there's none left...  If Elixir (Josh Foley) could touch Wolverine (without getting killed himself) he could shut Wolverine's healing power off.    Blink could Kill Wolverine by teleporting away his organs, repeatedly, until he lost the ability to heal...The Human Torch (when he comes back from the dead, and he will) could kill Wolverine by going super nova and burning every bit of flesh off of Logan's bones...  Magneto could OBVIOUSLY kill Wolverine.  it's likely that Emma Frost could kill Wolverine with a psychic attack...maybe...(POSSIBLE, but I don't know how likely it is.)  Okay... He's 'hard' to kill but not impossible.  He has many different skills.  He has a great history.  He's a warrior and a super spy.  He's a hunter and a tracker... and he REALLY likes beer...  He's NO boy scout.  He's not pretentious, and he NEVER gives up on his friends or team mates....  No, he's not weak.
All this. 
After reading "Wolverine Goes To Hell" it gives a testament to how strong he is mentally as well.
#16 Posted by Timandm (3393 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kallarkz: True... All too often a characters strength of will is over looked... Logan is one of those that simply NEVER gives up...
#17 Posted by castleking (24747 posts) - - Show Bio
@labarith
 
yes.  = /
 
look at the strength thread and stop making statements in the form of facts rather then your personal opinion.
#18 Posted by MoshinDMoe (13 posts) - - Show Bio
@Timandm
Great post and I completely agree about his history, its simply awesome.
#19 Posted by joshmightbe (25871 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edgeworth_11 said:
Wolverine is stronger and a better fighter than Cap. He is more agile, faster too.  Logan is awesome. Some think its cool to not like the most popular guy, but they are in denial... Logan is awesome!
So we're just ignoring all those times Cap beat him down then?
#20 Edited by Feliciano2040 (665 posts) - - Show Bio
@Wise Son said:

Wolverine was a great concept but he's been hampered with over exposure and bad writing over the years. He's puts up a good fight but he tends to rely way too much on his ridiculous healing factor nowadays. He's like a mutant bullet sponge. 

 
Worst healing factor moment for me was when he regenerated his entire organic tissue after an explosion from Nitro.
 
Seriously Marvel, WHAT THE HELL ?!!
#21 Posted by Gambit1024 (10217 posts) - - Show Bio

No, Wolverine is not weak. While he doesn't have super-strength, he should at least be stronger than Captain America. I mean, think about it: The dude's bones are coated in adamantium which adds at least 100 lbs to his body weight. It's a feat alone to just walk with that much weight on you at all times let alone scrap with the Hulk like it was practice.  
 
His fighting skills are superb and he's shown that numerous times while fighting Cap, Sabretooth, Silver Samurai, Gambit, etc. He's got so much experience it's ridiculous.  Over 110 years to be exact. 
 
His healing factor is probably one of the strongest in Marvel and possibly in all comics. He's held his own against Hulk (and probably lasted longer than someone like the Thing, imo), taken a blast from Nitro point blank, and had adamantium put into his body via Weapon X and having it ripped out by Magneto.  I could go on and on.  
 
So, in short, he's not weak. 

#22 Posted by labarith (730 posts) - - Show Bio
@Feliciano2040 said:
@Wise Son said:

Wolverine was a great concept but he's been hampered with over exposure and bad writing over the years. He's puts up a good fight but he tends to rely way too much on his ridiculous healing factor nowadays. He's like a mutant bullet sponge. 

 Worst healing factor moment for me was when he regenerated his entire organic tissue after an explosion from Nitro.  Seriously Marvel, WHAT THE HELL ?!!
His brain was intact, more or less, though, right? 
 
Deadpool has had many deaths where they destroy his brain and he comes back not a blank slate... and that's even worse.
#23 Posted by Feliciano2040 (665 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambit1024 said:
It's a feat alone to just walk with that much weight on you at all times let alone scrap with the Hulk like it was practice.
Unless it was like Titanium, which is very light even for a strong metal.
#24 Posted by castleking (24747 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe
 
when the f#$%? did Cap beat him down? o_O
enemy of the state? context, pls. 
 
the shield bash was a joke and cap was the one to land the final hit after the battle damage soak he took on from other heroes.
cap was at the right place at the right time. 
 
and the muramasa blade one, Cap didnt win jack sh#$...
#25 Posted by The Stegman (28603 posts) - - Show Bio
@Wise Son:  
 

Wolverine was a great concept but he's been hampered with over exposure and bad writing over the years. He's puts up a good fight but he tends to rely way too much on his ridiculous healing factor nowadays. He's like a mutant bullet sponge. 

This,  i agree he is a good character design, but he is WAY too over exposed, being on two Avengers teams, on the X men, on X force AND having his own series, geesh, and i also agree he relies way too much on his healing factor, seeing as how he has had a century of fighting training,and mastered probably more martial arts than Batman, why would he take all of the punishment, i.e bullets, slashes, flame throwers, when he could easily dodge it? technically he can probably defeat an army WITHOUT his claws
#26 Posted by Gambit1024 (10217 posts) - - Show Bio
@Feliciano2040 said:
@Gambit1024 said:
It's a feat alone to just walk with that much weight on you at all times let alone scrap with the Hulk like it was practice.
Unless it was like Titanium, which is very light even for a strong metal.
Nope, it says on the bio that he's 300 with the metal, 200 something without. 
#27 Posted by Wise Son (1796 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Stegman said:
@Wise Son:  
 

Wolverine was a great concept but he's been hampered with over exposure and bad writing over the years. He's puts up a good fight but he tends to rely way too much on his ridiculous healing factor nowadays. He's like a mutant bullet sponge. 

This,  i agree he is a good character design, but he is WAY too over exposed, being on two Avengers teams, on the X men, on X force AND having his own series, geesh, and i also agree he relies way too much on his healing factor, seeing as how he has had a century of fighting training,and mastered probably more martial arts than Batman, why would he take all of the punishment, i.e bullets, slashes, flame throwers, when he could easily dodge it? technically he can probably defeat an army WITHOUT his claws
Exactly. I'm thinking he's a bit of a masochist. He'd have to be a glutton for punishment to take all those unnecessary beatings when they could be avoided.. 
 
BDSM seems to be right down his alley. Note the whips, paddle and restraints.
#28 Posted by joshmightbe (25871 posts) - - Show Bio
@castleking: there were several times back in the 80s and early 90s where Cap proved he was better than Wolverine in a fight but that was before Marvel decided to turn him from an interesting character to a wrecking ball
#29 Edited by castleking (24747 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe
 
i have Wolvien entire appearance from his 1st appearance to 2001.
care to tell me what fights Cap proved himself superior?
 
Wolverine has even beaten Cap's @$$ when he was given a wolf mentality and Cap nearly got three adamantium blades run through his head had the woman controlling Wolvie had not stopped him.
in a flashback cap storytaking place in mid 40's Captain America got his sh#$ pushed in by a gang of  hand ninjas which Wolverine had to show up and rescue Cap from his decapitation. 
Wolverine even trashed talked Cap a few time in the 80's from  time to time. i remember when Wolverine told Cap that a terrorist is what a big army calls the little army and stared him down..
 
so pls give examples of Cap beat down of Wolverine.
#30 Posted by The Stegman (28603 posts) - - Show Bio
@Wise Son: not gonna lie...i wouldn't mind being in that situation either... O.O
#31 Posted by Wise Son (1796 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Stegman said:
@Wise Son: not gonna lie...i wouldn't mind being in that situation either... O.O
I second that ^-^
#32 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1917 posts) - - Show Bio

It's relative, as far as human standards go, no he is not weak.

#33 Posted by tojphantom (17 posts) - - Show Bio
@Feliciano2040 said:
@Wise Son said:

Wolverine was a great concept but he's been hampered with over exposure and bad writing over the years. He's puts up a good fight but he tends to rely way too much on his ridiculous healing factor nowadays. He's like a mutant bullet sponge. 

 Worst healing factor moment for me was when he regenerated his entire organic tissue after an explosion from Nitro.  Seriously Marvel, WHAT THE HELL ?!!
As far as I've heard Ultimate Wolverine can heal himself from a single cell.  Plus without the Adamantium he heals faster and is faster, but since the metal constantly "kills" so his healing factor is constantly working.
#34 Posted by Feliciano2040 (665 posts) - - Show Bio
@tojphantom: You've heard bullshit my friend, Ultimate Wolverine was killed in the lamest possible way.
#35 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (5235 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap fanboys stand down. Logan is better fighter, he is stronger, takes punches from Hulk and took a nice shot from Wonderman who has Sentry level strength and shrugged it off. If it was Cap, he would have died.  
 
Logan can take anything Cap can dish out while Logan just needs to pop his claws once and Cap is dead again. 

#36 Posted by CurbsideProphet (1909 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine's pretty cool. He's often beat up a lot becasue he can take a lot of punishment due to a advanced healing factor

#37 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (5235 posts) - - Show Bio
@CurbsideProphet said:
Wolverine's pretty cool. He's often beat up a lot becasue he can take a lot of punishment due to a advanced healing factor

He does more ass kicking though. Much more.

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