I Hate Wolverine

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#1 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33440 posts) - - Show Bio

With a fiery passion but I'm a reasonable guy, so heres your chance to make a convert out of me, what are some of the best Wolverine trades/graphic novels that will bring me over to the dark side and make me change my mind about the runt?  

#2 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
Why do you hate him?
#3 Posted by Remi (613 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate him as well.

But you could check out Rucka's and Aaron's run on him. I'm personally going to read Aaron's run later since I like the writer.

#4 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33440 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheGoldenOne said:
Why do you hate him?
over used, over exposed, over powered (he's got better senses than Daredevil, better H2H than Chi-less Iron Fist, expert at using computer systems, unbreakable bones and a healing factor thats off the chart but he doesn't even need half that stuff because his soul cant leave his body so he cant die anyway   
#5 Edited by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87: When was he shown to be an expert in computers?

#6 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33440 posts) - - Show Bio
@KainScion said:

@spiderbat87: When was he shown to be an expert in computers?

in his marvel handbook 
#7 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87: well thats just BS. i know hes intelligent, dont get me wrong, in the first issues of wolverine v3 he was reading a lot, daily. but hes no computer wiz.

#8 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33440 posts) - - Show Bio
@KainScion said:

@spiderbat87: well thats just BS. i know hes intelligent, dont get me wrong, in the first issues of wolverine v3 he was reading a lot, daily. but hes no computer wiz.

well I don't really know since I don't read any of his books
#9 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87: i have read almost all of them. he uses the hulk approach.

#10 Posted by cattlebattle (12774 posts) - - Show Bio

the TPB of his  original mini series was good stuff, seriously, he was written a lot better before becoming Marvels bread and butter

#11 Edited by Dernman (15093 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Wolverine but they really need to tone down everything. People talk about Superman being corporate and trying to be everything but he doesn't hold a candle to Wolverine. 
 
He's a berserker killing machine yet he's a moral headmaster for a school
He's a dunk slut who sleeps with anything that walks yet he is a mentor to young girls
He's a loner but is on more teams then team characters also leads half of the X-Men
He's a samurai yet he is a suit wearing mobster.
 
 
They need to stop making him be everything 
Tone down the healing factor. 
Stop being on so many teams. 
Neither the starter or the leader of the X-Men. 
No computer expert.

#12 Posted by BlackArmor (6141 posts) - - Show Bio

I dislike Wolverine for the reasons Squares and FadeToBlackBolt said here: http://www.comicvine.com/wolverine/29-1440/i-really-dont-like-wolverine/92-649836/

they said it better than I can

#13 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (6898 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine is by Favorite Super-hero for his powers, strengths, and bad-ass-ness. Other than that, his stories are pretty lack-luster to me.

#14 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33440 posts) - - Show Bio

Any actual recommendations though?

#15 Posted by FIash (63 posts) - - Show Bio

Why force yourself into liking a character you hate? There are so many other characters to choose from.

#16 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18854 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Force :]

#17 Posted by Illuminatus (9509 posts) - - Show Bio

@FIash said:

Why force yourself into liking a character you hate? There are so many other characters to choose from.

This.

#18 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

Origin and Old Man Logan are my personal favorites

#19 Posted by God_Spawn (37892 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked Enemy of the State as a personal favorite cause that was just a badarse story. His Uncanny X-Force stuff has him with a toned down healing factor since Remender doesn't like it all jacked (so I've heard). He's been pretty close to dying in a couple of issues. And Aaron's stuff I like. Also his Manifest Destiny issues were good.

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#20 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

Why didn't my big ass wall of text post? I swear I'm not writing 400 words all over of something I finished more than 1 hour and a half >__>

#21 Posted by DeadpoolPT (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

@TheGoldenOne said:
Why do you hate him?
over used, over exposed, over powered (he's got better senses than Daredevil, better H2H than Chi-less Iron Fist, expert at using computer systems, unbreakable bones and a healing factor thats off the chart but he doesn't even need half that stuff because his soul cant leave his body so he cant die anyway

Over used and over exposed, without a doubt. Better senses than Daredevil? Debatable. Expert at using computer systems, urm...no. Unbreakable bones, only partially because he has had his adamantium stripped of him on one occasion (Magneto did that once) as well as never having adamantium in the beginning (before entering the Weapon X project). Healing factor off the charts? Don't think so, Deadpool has a much better healing factor than Wolverine, Wolverine takes time to heal as well, it's not instant. His soul can't leave his body? Never heard of that one, so I'm not sure.

I suggest reading the Wolverine series from 2002/2003 by Frank Tieri, quite like the way his depicted in that series and it's a nice read in my opinion. Read X-Force, he leads that group, you could maybe get a better understanding of him if you read a comic where he leads a group and maybe opens up more to his true personality. I've read some Wolverine comics so I'm not an expert at this, this is all I know from what I've read. Hope it helps but I do agree that you shouldn't waste your time on a character you dislike like Flash said. Spend more time on characters that you like or have not read much about them, that's my advice :)

#22 Posted by Kid_Omega_Prime (1252 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I do think Marvel should tone down Wolverine a bit. But I still think he is awesome. I mean who else could say they have wen't toe to toe with the Hulk and servied ? Ok except for Thor and Hercules.

#23 Posted by KenTheProfile (412 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87: besides the fact that being really old allows one to gain knowlege over alot of things, it makes sense

i would check out old man logan, wolverine noir.

#24 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dernman said:

I like Wolverine but they really need to tone down everything. People talk about Superman being corporate and trying to be everything but he doesn't hold a candle to Wolverine. He's a berserker killing machine yet he's a moral headmaster for a schoolHe's a dunk slut who sleeps with anything that walks yet he is a mentor to young girlsHe's a loner but is on more teams then team characters also leads half of the X-MenHe's a samurai yet he is a suit wearing mobster. They need to stop making him be everything Tone down the healing factor. Stop being on so many teams. Neither the starter or the leader of the X-Men. No computer expert.

yes the need to scale back on him marvel's poster boy, but still i'm a fan of wolverine. i just don't read everything that he's in.

#25 Posted by Dman1366 (616 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

@TheGoldenOne said:
Why do you hate him?
over used, over exposed, over powered (he's got better senses than Daredevil, better H2H than Chi-less Iron Fist, expert at using computer systems, unbreakable bones and a healing factor thats off the chart but he doesn't even need half that stuff because his soul cant leave his body so he cant die anyway

Old man logan is good, they toned down healing factor and senses so much. Other than that story i hate him to. I went to a Chris Claremont signing and even he said that both Wolverine and Deadpool are over used. He said that he intended for Wolverine to be a fun, every-now-and-then, character. not a main one.

#26 Posted by HolySerpent (12546 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine sucks period

#27 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@DeadpoolPT: i stopped reading your post after the 'debateble' unbreakable adamantium thing. you do know magneto used magnetism right?

#28 Posted by DeadpoolPT (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@KainScion said:

@DeadpoolPT: i stopped reading your post after the 'debateble' unbreakable adamantium thing. you do know magneto used magnetism right?

Yeah thats why I said Magneto removed Wolverine's adamantium? I said debatable to the statement that apparently Wolverine has better senses than Daredevil.

#29 Posted by Nox_Arc (211 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

Any actual recommendations though?
  • Wolverine: Origins
  • Get Mystique
  • Old Man Logan
  • Enemy of the State
  • Weapon X
#30 Posted by Vance Astro (91234 posts) - - Show Bio
@DeadpoolPT said:

 apparently Wolverine has better senses than Daredevil.

He doesn't.
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#31 Posted by Dakens son (433 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87: And don't forget:Best there is at what he does!

#32 Edited by Strider92 (16482 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't hate Wolverine but thanks to the over exposure and the overplay of his healing factor i've gone from thinking "Hey he's a pretty good character" to "Oh whats the point? He's got unbreakable bones and a healing factor that can regenerate him from a skeleton. I'll go read Squirrel Girl instead!"

As much as it pains me I actually prefer Daken to Wolverine now....yeah i said it.....

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#33 Posted by Mercy_ (92698 posts) - - Show Bio

Guys, let's try and stay on topic to the contents of the OP, which, despite the title, is actually looking for recommendations of good Wolverine stories. There are other threads dealing with Wolverine and why you do or don't dislike him.

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#34 Posted by Vance Astro (91234 posts) - - Show Bio
@spiderbat87 said:
With a fiery passion but I'm a reasonable guy, so heres your chance to make a convert out of me, what are some of the best Wolverine trades/graphic novels that will bring me over to the dark side and make me change my mind about the runt? 
Wolverine: Enemy of the State 
Wolverine: Old Man Logan (I think there is a TPB for this, if not it's Wolverine v3 issues #66-72) 
Wolverine\Kitty Pyde-Limited Series (6 issues) 
Wolverine: Logan (3 issues) 
Wolverine: Origin (6 issues) 
Uncanny  X-Force 
Weapon  X (Marvel Comics Presents #72-84)
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#35 Posted by Remi (613 posts) - - Show Bio

There's a trade for Old Man Logan but it's overpriced. 30$ for that sh~t?

#36 Posted by Nox_Arc (211 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis said:

@Nox_Arc said:

@spiderbat87 said:

Any actual recommendations though?
  • Wolverine: Origins
  • Get Mystique
  • Old Man Logan
  • Enemy of the State
  • Weapon X

These are all great recommendations. If you can get your hands on X-Force, that would be great as well.

Yes, that too. Excellent choice.

#37 Posted by DeadpoolPT (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@DeadpoolPT said:

apparently Wolverine has better senses than Daredevil.

He doesn't.

That's why I said it was debatable :)

#38 Posted by HaydrianPayne (50 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, I can't think anything to recommend to you right off the dome, the only thing that comes to mind is Enemy of State and Old Man Logan, both of which are good stories, but I'm not sure that they're necessarily the thing that will make you like the character of Wolverine. That being said I can understand why people don't like the character, he's become Marvel "jack of all trades" in some sort of manner. They used his origin, more specifically the fact that it incorporates a different variety of things, most prominently the Berserker Animal, Samurai and the Weapon X concept to make him whatever is best suited for the story, in such a manner that not all of the attributes tend to be represented in the character at all times, with the average one simply choosing one and overlooking the others. Regardless, I'm going off on a mini-tangent/rant.

As for recommendations:

  • Origin. (Not to be confused with Wolverine: Origins)
  • Enemy of State (Which I know it goes against what I said, but a good read may be what is needed)
  • Weapon X.
  • His first solo series. Mini. 4 Issues.
#39 Posted by Vance Astro (91234 posts) - - Show Bio
@DeadpoolPT said:

That's why I said it was debatable :)

It's not...he just doesn't.
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#40 Posted by DeadpoolPT (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@DeadpoolPT said:

That's why I said it was debatable :)

It's not...he just doesn't.

Alright alright *rolls his eyes* :P

#41 Posted by oraclefyre (936 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't hate him. He can be a compelling character but his overexposure has made me soured towards him.

It's that so many writers handle his character nowadays, and they all give him a different interpretation. I like him best in the hands of Remender and Aaron.

But yeah, he's just everywhere....

#42 Posted by x_29 (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

...okay.

#43 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33440 posts) - - Show Bio

is Weapon X really that good?

#44 Posted by nomadicxnightmare (142 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraclefyre said:

But yeah, he's just everywhere....

Wolverine has also mastered space/time displacement. That's why he can seemingly be all over the place. Oh, and he doesn't have to sleep, so he never suffers fatigue either. =P (totally BSing here)

@spiderbat87 said:

is Weapon X really that good?

Actually it REALLY is. I'm not a Wolverine fan, but the series is not all about him and the storytelling is IMO some of the best out there these days.

#45 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33440 posts) - - Show Bio
@nomadicxnightmare said:

@oraclefyre said:

But yeah, he's just everywhere....

Wolverine has also mastered space/time displacement. That's why he can seemingly be all over the place. Oh, and he doesn't have to sleep, so he never suffers fatigue either. =P (totally BSing here)

@spiderbat87 said:

is Weapon X really that good?

Actually it REALLY is. I'm not a Wolverine fan, but the series is not all about him and the storytelling is IMO some of the best out there these days.

Hmm I thought I had whittled it down to Old Man Logan or X-Force but it looks like another one has entered the fray 
#46 Posted by nomadicxnightmare (142 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87: ...Except for some reason when I replied I read 'Weapon X' and my brain processed it as 'X-Force' xD My comment was intended for Uncanny X-Force, sorry. Weapon X isn't bad, but not great. Read X-Force.

It IS true what they say: Multitasking make you stupid lol

#47 Posted by TheAmazingImmortalMan (3136 posts) - - Show Bio

Weapon X: adamantium men Wolverine Soultaker Old Man Logan Wolverine Vol 4(Aarons run) Enemy Of The State Those are some of my favorites anyway, I for one am a huge wolvie fan but i do agree he is overexposed

#48 Posted by ApatheticAvenger (1636 posts) - - Show Bio

It's because he's Canadian isn't it?

#49 Posted by MarvelGrey (243 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked the Civil War type Wolverine read it only for his personality, he takes shots at everyone (not physically) Its not a good story but its the best character development I've seen of the Marvel Icon.

#50 Posted by x_29 (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh great another person who hates wolverine telling us that he hates wolverine.

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