Which Watchmen character would be the best president?

#1 Posted by Jerry Seinfeld (598 posts) - - Show Bio

Which Watchmen character would make the best president. Don't say Dr.Manhatten because he knows all that happens or has happened which would give him a big edge on desiions he would make. Before you say Adrian Veidt let it be known he is so liberal he is pretty much socialist. Socialism isn't good. Socialism bad. I say Rorschach because he is conservative and would most likely stick to the ways of the constitution like they are supposed to be or Captain Metropolis because he was a military strategist and has his head in the right place.
#2 Posted by Jerry Seinfeld (598 posts) - - Show Bio

When I said Dr.Manhatten I meant it isn't fair for others.
#3 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Nite Owl II
#4 Posted by Jerry Seinfeld (598 posts) - - Show Bio

Nite-Owl II I was thinking might be a possible maybe but then again he'd be one of those guys that isn't sure which path to choose. Thats the whole point of his character isn't it. He's obviously good moralwise but he'd be the guy that isn't sure who to listen to.
#5 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jerry Seinfeld:
Rorschach is borderline fascist, therefore not a good choice for President.
#6 Posted by Drafta (690 posts) - - Show Bio

Who's to say what government is good or bad?

#7 Posted by Mutant X (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

Nite-Owl II definitely. The guy's got his head on straight.

#8 Posted by Jerry Seinfeld (598 posts) - - Show Bio

The U.S. constitution should be preserved that's what Walter would do. Extreme right wing can't be near as bad as extreme left wing. The thing about determining wheither government is good or bad is based on the countries that are in bad condition because of government. Like Russia or the Soviet Union they were communist they are a pretty poor country same goes with China. America is going downhill because of pure left wing people.
#9 Edited by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jerry Seinfeld said:

" The U.S. constitution should be preserved that's what Walter would do."

No, what Walter would do is viciously assault foreign heads of state, and pretty much everyone else in the political world, both inside the U.S. and abroad. Very few people view the world in black and white moral certitudes. Pretty much no politician in the world does. Rorschach was a violent psychopath, with a tendency towards multiple personality disorder. "GIVE ME BACK MY FACE!" would be everyone's new catchphrase, because obviously President Kovacs wouldn't be permitted to wear his mask all day. Setting Rorschach up in public office would be a three ring circus that would last days at the very most.  
Veidt is the only one stable enough to even run for office successfully. Most of the Watchmen have intense anti-social tendencies, and Nite Owl and Silk Spectre are both far too indecisive and neurotic to serve as public servants in any position of power. 
 
@Jerry Seinfeld said:

" Like Russia or the Soviet Union they were communist they are a pretty poor country."

Things were a bit different in the Watchmen world, weren't they?
#10 Posted by NightFang (10198 posts) - - Show Bio

Nite Owl-II.

#11 Posted by reaper2923 (2778 posts) - - Show Bio

The Comedian, oh yeah I'm serious

#12 Posted by NightFang (10198 posts) - - Show Bio
@reaper2923: And here comes Would War-3.
#13 Posted by SuperGamera (565 posts) - - Show Bio

Comedian would be ok
#14 Posted by Jerry Seinfeld (598 posts) - - Show Bio

Comedian for president? Hmmm... I think best choices are Rorschach,Nite Owl I and II and Captain Metropolis. Comedian might be ok because he's conservative but wouldn't likely be elected as president because he has too much stuff you could black mail him for. Attempted rape,shooting a pregnant woman,and being alittle nuts.
#15 Posted by MadHatter2 (92 posts) - - Show Bio
@reaper2923 said:
" The Comedian, oh yeah I'm serious "
ya i agree even Rorschach realised it!
#16 Posted by warlock360 (28064 posts) - - Show Bio

Ozymandias

#17 Posted by Jerry Seinfeld (598 posts) - - Show Bio
@Voidheart said:
"Ozymandias"

No way. 
" Adrian is a pacsifist." He's vegatarian for christ sakes." -Nite-Owl 
"Hitler was vegatarian if you're squemish leave him to me."- Rorschach  
Veidt is just plain nuts. He's a commie and commies are bad. Just like Stalin,nuts. Terrible idea.            
#18 Edited by darkningdawn (76 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jerry Seinfeld:
Hitler's arch nemeses were the communists.
Hitler also drank water,so should we asume drinking water makes a person a nazi?   
One of the things used to demonize Jews in Nazi Germany was their supposed pacifism,they were blamed for losing WW1 because some of them were pacifists,Hitler even wrote that jews defied nature by being pacifists. 
Also who's to say Veidt was a communist,he simply didn't want warmongers and greedmongers controlling the world,that could make him any number of things."FYI Rorschach also hates rich people and while he is a conservative who's to say what his economic policies are since most conservatives were to the left of Obama before Reagan conquered the party and he's more of a social conservative then a libertarian economist"   
#19 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio


so Military personel have their head in the right place huh? (hahahahahaha, the military, is full of rapist, murderers and Sociopaths, i'd rather not have a Military. and anyone who is part of war or supports a military is sick,)

 

Veidt, and socialism is a good thing. better than capitalism, where the little guy gets raped.

#20 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

None Alan Moore's whole point was that they were all awful people

#21 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jerry Seinfeld said:
"@Voidheart said:
"Ozymandias"
No way. " Adrian is a pacsifist." He's vegatarian for christ sakes." -Nite-Owl "Hitler was vegatarian if you're squemish leave him to me."- Rorschach  Veidt is just plain nuts. He's a commie and commies are bad. Just like Stalin,nuts. Terrible idea.             "

Since when is communism, bad?... is it because good old uncle Sam said so? well i would take Communism of Capitalism anyday. Capitalism even sounds corrupt, I mean it's very definition is to capitalize on the misfortune of others it's a terrible government.
#22 Posted by Mahtu (191 posts) - - Show Bio

Adrian.  He's smart and was committed to improving the world long before his identity was known.  And no, socialism is not necessarily bad or good all governments have their flaws and it depends on the people that you elect to enact the government's ideals and practices.

#23 Posted by glforthewin (2355 posts) - - Show Bio

veidts got the brains and money to become president. 

#24 Posted by Erik (33329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mahtu said:
" Adrian.  He's smart and was committed to improving the world long before his identity was known.  And no, socialism is not necessarily bad or good all governments have their flaws and it depends on the people that you elect to enact the government's ideals and practices. "
Good post. 
#25 Posted by SuperGamera (565 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jerry Seinfeld said:
"Comedian for president? Hmmm... I think best choices are Rorschach,Nite Owl I and II and Captain Metropolis. Comedian might be ok because he's conservative but wouldn't likely be elected as president because he has too much stuff you could black mail him for. Attempted rape,shooting a pregnant woman,and being alittle nuts. "

@Jerry Seinfeld: 

  i would imagine he would be very much like president grant. get elected for being a war hero and turn out to be one of the worst presidents ever
#26 Posted by Mahtu (191 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik: Thanks! :D
#27 Edited by Waffle Fries (884 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:

" None Alan Moore's whole point was that they were all awful people "

I don't think they were all supposed to be "awful". More so, they weren't supposed to be cookie cutter super heroes. They were supposed to be normal people with normal problems. Some bad, some good but in the end, human.
 
@Jerry Seinfeld said:

" The U.S. constitution should be preserved that's what Walter would do. Extreme right wing can't be near as bad as extreme left wing. The thing about determining wheither government is good or bad is based on the countries that are in bad condition because of government. Like Russia or the Soviet Union they were communist they are a pretty poor country same goes with China. America is going downhill because of pure left wing people. "

 I find it funny that it was stated the far right would be better then the far left. I feel they would both be equally bad just in different ways. The far right would rape the working man, instill religious fear and doom the world to nuclear holocaust. The far left would socialize the government and weaken it to the point of  irrelevancy. 
 
And what about the conservative wing of the government? Don't tell me they didn't overspend and didn't help get us into this financial mess. And what about the two wars we have been fighting for the past decade? What about the trillions of dollars that have gone to fight this war? What about all the american and other foreign innocent lives have been lost in this conflict? Don't pretend one side of the government is better then the other. Anyone who believes that is just a sheep following his shepard waiting to be slaughtered.
 
Regardless of your political alliance, the person in the role as "leader of the free world" should be intelligence, compassionate and understand that every person is different with different needs and cultural ideas. He shouldn't draw a line due to ideology or religious views. He shouldn't jump the gun into war but at the same time be ready to defend his country at any moment.
 
@Caligula said:
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so Military personel have their head in the right place huh? (hahahahahaha, the military, is full of rapist, murderers and Sociopaths, i'd rather not have a Military. and anyone who is part of war or supports a military is sick,)

 

Veidt, and socialism is a good thing. better than capitalism, where the little guy gets raped.

"

I can't argue that the military hasn't had its fare share of sickos, but what organization, religion, country doesn't have it's fare share? I say don't blame the military, blame the politicians and rich crooks who send troops overseas to kill. The military is here to protect your way of life and give you the freedom to live your life without tyranny. It's other people that abuse the military into something else.
#28 Posted by Jerry Seinfeld (598 posts) - - Show Bio
@darkningdawn said:

"@Jerry Seinfeld: Hitler's arch nemeses were the communists.Hitler also drank water,so should we asume drinking water makes a person a nazi?   One of the things used to demonize Jews in Nazi Germany was their supposed pacifism,they were blamed for losing WW1 because some of them were pacifists,Hitler even wrote that jews defied nature by being pacifists. Also who's to say Veidt was a communist,he simply didn't want warmongers and greedmongers controlling the world,that could make him any number of things."FYI Rorschach also hates rich people and while he is a conservative who's to say what his economic policies are since most conservatives were to the left of Obama before Reagan conquered the party and he's more of a social conservative then a libertarian economist"    "


Facism and communism are not much differant though even though they were enemies which is kinda strange or ironic. I say Adrian is very much indeed a communist. He is very far left wing and in the movie was claimed of doing something socialist which is what he is indeed. As you can tell I'm not much of a pacsifist and don't think it is good for a country because others can easily take it over look at what Obama is doing dismantling our nukes because of some deal with Russia which gives them a good oppurtunity to strike back.  

OBAMA IS LIKE A DESTRUCTIVE CHILD WHO TAKES APART A WATCH AND THEN CAN’T PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. HE HAS TAKEN APART THE CAR INDUSTRY, PLACING IT UNDER FEDERAL CONTROL. HE IS DISMANTLING THE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD, REPLACING IT WITH SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. AND TODAY, HE STARTED DESTROYING OUR MILITARY BY SIGNING AN INSANE NUCLEAR TREATY WITH RUSSIA.

THIS TREATY, THE WORK OF THE MENTALLY DISORDERED LEFT, WILL MEAN A 30% REDUCTION IN OUR NUCLEAR ARSENAL AND A STEEP REDUCTION IN OUR SUBMARINES AND STRATEGIC BOMBERS. THAT’S ON TOP OF THE FACT THAT OBAMA HAS ALREADY SLASHED THE DEFENSE BUDGET AND STOPPED A COMPREHENSIVE MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM. NOW, IN THE NAME OF DIPLOMACY, OBAMA WANTS TO DESTROY OUR NUKES JUST WHEN IRAN AND NORTH KOREA ARE BUILDING THEIRS. OBAMA CLAIMS THIS TREATY WILL COAX IRAN INTO DISCONTINUING ITS NUKE PROGRAM. THAT’S CRAZY. THE HITLER OF IRAN WANTS THESE WEAPONS TO INTIMIDATE THE UNITED STATES AND DESTROY ISRAEL. THIS MEANINGLESS PIECE OF PAPER WILL NOT STOP HIM.

AND WHAT ABOUT RUSSIA? ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY’LL KEEP THEIR WORD IS CRAZY. RUSSIA HAS A HISTORY OF RENEGGING ON NUKE AGREEMENTS. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO VERIFY HOW MANY THEY’VE DESTROYED, AND THEY’VE ALREADY SAID THAT THEY CAN PULL OUT OF THE AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME. FURTHERMORE, BOTH RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE IN THE PROCESS OF MODERNIZING THEIR NUKES. MOST OF RUSSIA’S NUCLEAR ARSENAL IS AGING AND OUTDATED. IF WE CONTINUED AS WE ARE, RUSSIA WOULD FADE AS A NUCLEAR POWER. THIS AGREEMENT HELPS THEM! HOW MUCH OF OUR OWN ARSENAL IS OUTDATED? OBAMA ISN’T SAYING.

OBAMA DID SAY TODAY THAT THE SPREAD OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS TO MORE STATES IS AN UNACCEPTABLE RISK TO . AND YET THIS INSANE TREATY INCREASES THAT RISK. OBAMA ALSO SAID TODAY THAT WHILE THE TREATY WAS A GOOD FIRST STEP FORWARD, IT’S THE FIRST IN A LONG WAY FORWARD. “IT WILL SET THE STAGE FOR FURTHER CUTS.” FURTHER CUTS. OBAMA DOESN’T JUST WANT TO REDUCE OUR ARSENAL. HE WANTS TO ELIMINATE IT COMPLETELY. HE IS OUR DESTROYER-IN-CHIEF. AND THE ONE REMAINING CHANCE TO END HIS AGENDA OF APPEASEMENT IS THE U.S. SENATE, WHICH MUST RATIFY THE TREATY BY A TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY. HE COULD BE STOPPED THERE, BUT WHERE IS THE REPUBLICAN OPPOSITION? EACH DAY, MORE AND MORE, IT’S AS IF A HOSTILE FOREIGN POWER HAS TAKEN OVER THE COUNTRY.

 



   
#29 Posted by Jerry Seinfeld (598 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula said:
"@Jerry Seinfeld said:
"@Voidheart said:
"Ozymandias"
No way. " Adrian is a pacsifist." He's vegatarian for christ sakes." -Nite-Owl "Hitler was vegatarian if you're squemish leave him to me."- Rorschach  Veidt is just plain nuts. He's a commie and commies are bad. Just like Stalin,nuts. Terrible idea.             "
Since when is communism, bad?... is it because good old uncle Sam said so? well i would take Communism of Capitalism anyday. Capitalism even sounds corrupt, I mean it's very definition is to capitalize on the misfortune of others it's a terrible government. "

What is wrong with you are you crazy? What country do you come from because I am just confused with you. Capitalism is the best system of government ever devised. You must be out of your mind. How come America is so much richer than all other countries if it's government is so awful? Can you answer that?
#30 Posted by darkningdawn (76 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jerry Seinfeld:

The All Caps part makes you sound so much smaarterZ =p 
#31 Posted by Waffle Fries (884 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jerry Seinfeld said:
" @darkningdawn said:

"@Jerry Seinfeld: Hitler's arch nemeses were the communists.Hitler also drank water,so should we asume drinking water makes a person a nazi?   One of the things used to demonize Jews in Nazi Germany was their supposed pacifism,they were blamed for losing WW1 because some of them were pacifists,Hitler even wrote that jews defied nature by being pacifists. Also who's to say Veidt was a communist,he simply didn't want warmongers and greedmongers controlling the world,that could make him any number of things."FYI Rorschach also hates rich people and while he is a conservative who's to say what his economic policies are since most conservatives were to the left of Obama before Reagan conquered the party and he's more of a social conservative then a libertarian economist"    "


Facism and communism are not much differant though even though they were enemies which is kinda strange or ironic. I say Adrian is very much indeed a communist. He is very far left wing and in the movie was claimed of doing something socialist which is what he is indeed. As you can tell I'm not much of a pacsifist and don't think it is good for a country because others can easily take it over look at what Obama is doing dismantling our nukes because of some deal with Russia which gives them a good oppurtunity to strike back.  

OBAMA IS LIKE A DESTRUCTIVE CHILD WHO TAKES APART A WATCH AND THEN CAN’T PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. HE HAS TAKEN APART THE CAR INDUSTRY, PLACING IT UNDER FEDERAL CONTROL. HE IS DISMANTLING THE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD, REPLACING IT WITH SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. AND TODAY, HE STARTED DESTROYING OUR MILITARY BY SIGNING AN INSANE NUCLEAR TREATY WITH RUSSIA.

THIS TREATY, THE WORK OF THE MENTALLY DISORDERED LEFT, WILL MEAN A 30% REDUCTION IN OUR NUCLEAR ARSENAL AND A STEEP REDUCTION IN OUR SUBMARINES AND STRATEGIC BOMBERS. THAT’S ON TOP OF THE FACT THAT OBAMA HAS ALREADY SLASHED THE DEFENSE BUDGET AND STOPPED A COMPREHENSIVE MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM. NOW, IN THE NAME OF DIPLOMACY, OBAMA WANTS TO DESTROY OUR NUKES JUST WHEN IRAN AND NORTH KOREA ARE BUILDING THEIRS. OBAMA CLAIMS THIS TREATY WILL COAX IRAN INTO DISCONTINUING ITS NUKE PROGRAM. THAT’S CRAZY. THE HITLER OF IRAN WANTS THESE WEAPONS TO INTIMIDATE THE UNITED STATES AND DESTROY ISRAEL. THIS MEANINGLESS PIECE OF PAPER WILL NOT STOP HIM.

AND WHAT ABOUT RUSSIA? ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY’LL KEEP THEIR WORD IS CRAZY. RUSSIA HAS A HISTORY OF RENEGGING ON NUKE AGREEMENTS. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO VERIFY HOW MANY THEY’VE DESTROYED, AND THEY’VE ALREADY SAID THAT THEY CAN PULL OUT OF THE AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME. FURTHERMORE, BOTH RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE IN THE PROCESS OF MODERNIZING THEIR NUKES. MOST OF RUSSIA’S NUCLEAR ARSENAL IS AGING AND OUTDATED. IF WE CONTINUED AS WE ARE, RUSSIA WOULD FADE AS A NUCLEAR POWER. THIS AGREEMENT HELPS THEM! HOW MUCH OF OUR OWN ARSENAL IS OUTDATED? OBAMA ISN’T SAYING.

OBAMA DID SAY TODAY THAT THE SPREAD OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS TO MORE STATES IS AN UNACCEPTABLE RISK TO . AND YET THIS INSANE TREATY INCREASES THAT RISK. OBAMA ALSO SAID TODAY THAT WHILE THE TREATY WAS A GOOD FIRST STEP FORWARD, IT’S THE FIRST IN A LONG WAY FORWARD. “IT WILL SET THE STAGE FOR FURTHER CUTS.” FURTHER CUTS. OBAMA DOESN’T JUST WANT TO REDUCE OUR ARSENAL. HE WANTS TO ELIMINATE IT COMPLETELY. HE IS OUR DESTROYER-IN-CHIEF. AND THE ONE REMAINING CHANCE TO END HIS AGENDA OF APPEASEMENT IS THE U.S. SENATE, WHICH MUST RATIFY THE TREATY BY A TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY. HE COULD BE STOPPED THERE, BUT WHERE IS THE REPUBLICAN OPPOSITION? EACH DAY, MORE AND MORE, IT’S AS IF A HOSTILE FOREIGN POWER HAS TAKEN OVER THE COUNTRY.

 

    "
Because having 700 nukes is different then having 1400 nukes how? How many nukes does it take to destroy the world? Obama only took away the threat of bombing countries WITHOUT a  nuclear bomb. Iran and North Korea are still on the slate of countries on our nuke list as well as russia. Building more nukes isnt going to solve anything and it's not going to bully anyone. This treaty may not work in the end but the point is to try and create a better relationships with other countries. Building more nukes and threatening other countries is only going  to create more tension and the  likely hood somebody is going to start bombing and cause WWIII. Your statements are ridiculous. We still have the most powerful high tech military in the world. You act as if this treaty is weakening america when it's not. Bush's bully tactics did not work. Diplomacy wins the day and when it fails we still have more then enough nukes to destroy the world over 100 times.
#32 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4873 posts) - - Show Bio

Nite Owl II
 
the rest are too Crazy
 
IMO 

and Doctor Manhattan wouldnt even be President... he knows he wouldnt and he jus wouldnt... he saw on his future that he wasnt going to be president... He has no time and all the time to be president but it is a waste of time... even if time is limitless... kind of... sorta...
 
My point is Doctor Manhattan isnt at all a choice because DM made it that way.

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