So is Wally West unbeatable?

#1 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2416 posts) - - Show Bio

I've heard a lot of people say this in the Battle Threads.....
Is it true?

#2 Posted by Valtot (4502 posts) - - Show Bio

no...

#3 Posted by Mercy_ (92607 posts) - - Show Bio

Not at all. 

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#4 Posted by Donnieman v5.1 (44323 posts) - - Show Bio

No, but he's pretty damn powerful.

#5 Posted by iLLituracy (13537 posts) - - Show Bio

Better question is why would you believe everything someone tells you in the Battles forum?

#6 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2416 posts) - - Show Bio

I've just seen people say that he could beat Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter all at once.

#7 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2416 posts) - - Show Bio
@iLLituracy: 
 
I've just seen a lot of different people say this....so I was just wondering.
#8 Posted by Nefarious (18760 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom can beat his butt. 

#9 Posted by JediXMan (29619 posts) - - Show Bio

No, but he's extremely fast and pretty much anybody slower than him will lose.

#10 Posted by KZR (487 posts) - - Show Bio
@deadpoolvironfist: I'm not taking sides but my estimate is that he probably could.
#11 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" No, but he's extremely fast and pretty much anybody slower than him will lose. "

#12 Posted by Band Lone (1789 posts) - - Show Bio

Hes the fastest Flash but I doubt hes unbeatable

#13 Posted by Outside_85 (8145 posts) - - Show Bio

It's because of the general thought of 'blitz always wins' and the Flash's are practically the embodiments of that.  
Wally however has an edge with the ability that he can take speed away from other speedsters.
 
But he is not unbeaterble when he's the 'regular' Flash, but very few are a threat to him if he's running at full speed. Zoom is one that can threaten him, so is Superboy Prime, who he could only defeat with the help of the others Flash's by pulling him into the speedforce, and that was only temporary. Otherwise you need someone who can either negate his speed (by magic or realitywarps) or strike him from a safe distance, like the Sinestro corpsman and John Steward who traded sniper fire across space sectors. And for all the speed he has, Wally cant fly.

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#14 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally West is powerful, but he's not unbeatable.

#15 Posted by wallywest55 (231 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah wally is beatable. The person beating him has to be mighty strong tho and really fast or just straight OP (over powered).

#16 Posted by nightcrawler1212 (532 posts) - - Show Bio

he might really powerful but not unbeatable

#17 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@Band Lone said:
" Hes the fastest Flash but I doubt hes unbeatable "
is this statement still accurate?

I thought Barry Allen was the fastest now due to his time with the Speed Force
#18 Posted by PrinceIMC (5421 posts) - - Show Bio

He moves so quickly that even other speedsters appear to be standing still next to him. That's kinda hard to beat. But there are ways.

#19 Posted by HolySerpent (12461 posts) - - Show Bio
@Valtot said:
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no...

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@The Dark Huntress said:
" Not at all.  "
#20 Posted by Mercy_ (92607 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kallarkz said:
" @Band Lone said:
" Hes the fastest Flash but I doubt hes unbeatable "
is this statement still accurate?

I thought Barry Allen was the fastest now due to his time with the Speed Force
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To my understanding that's a bunch of WIS brought on by a Geoffcon. It was always understood that Wally was the fastest and he had the feats to back it up. 
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#21 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio


Cosmic levels stomp him

Black racer beats him

Runner brobably beats him

Mkkari maybe beates him

Hermes and Hermod(marvel) might beat him

Zoom beats him

Flash 1,000,000 beats him

in an alternate reality Captain Marvel uses his speed of mercury and actually outraces him but thats not canon.

#22 Posted by Theworldbreaker (1642 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer beats him, in power and speed!

#23 Posted by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
@Thor's hammmer said:
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Black racer beats him

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Uh, both Barry and Wally have outraced Black Racer, and Wally's done it more than three times.

@Thor's hammmer said: 
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Zoom beats him

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   As I mentioned in this thread, Zoom II is currently in a wheelchair and isn't outracing anyone.  Even at his peak he beat Wally in ONE story arc (and even in that story- Blitz- Wally ultimately was fast enough to stop Zoom).  EVERY appearance since then he's been beaten by Wally and others.  Using that one story arc to say Zoom II is always faster than Wally is like saying Bane is always a better fighter than Batman or that Doomsday is always stronger than Superman, despite repeated rematches showing to the contrary.

As for the original topic, Wally's strong for Battles but since when do Battle rules dictate anything besides Battles?

This thread has a list of feats (with scans) showing why Wally has some of the highest documented speed abilities:

One thing to note is that Flash's biggest feat- the Chongjin Rescue (which essentially gives Wally infinite time to accomplish practically any task)- has been referenced in Robinson's recent JLA run, meaning it was not just a one-time event to be forgotten, but something canonized into Flash / JLA lore.  By comparison, every time someone mentions Bane or Doomsday, etc. now there's an explanation for why their victory was a special case inapplicable to other conflicts.  Zoom II was hyped- for Blitz- to be the epitome of speed, but just like Bane, Doomsday, etc. in every subsequent battle Wally beat Zoom II.  If you're sticking to Battle rules you need to go by feats not hyperbole and Zoom II doesn't have better feats than Wally.

@Thor's hammmer said: 
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Runner brobably beats him

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As a cosmic, maybe, but not as a speedster.  Buried Alien beat Runner in a race.  Buried Alien was Marvel's homage to the recently killed Barry Allen.  Wally has better speed feats than Barry.
   
@Thor's hammmer said: 
"Flash 1,000,000
Nope.  The Flash of the 853rd century is John Fox (from the 27th century) who briefly replaced Wally in the 20th century.  They had their showdown and Wally "won".
#24 Posted by batflasharrow96 (445 posts) - - Show Bio

It's impossible to be unbeatable even in fiction

#25 Posted by TheCheeseStabber (7816 posts) - - Show Bio

Just trip him when he runs lol

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#26 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

no...

#27 Edited by Deathstroke02 (1907 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he can beat him

#28 Posted by RustyRoy (11084 posts) - - Show Bio

No one is unbeatable in comics except maybe TOAA, but Wally is definitely one of the most powerful Superheroes of DC.

#29 Posted by Lvenger (18389 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

No one is unbeatable in comics except maybe TOAA, but Wally is definitely one of the most powerful Superheroes of DC.

This. He can be beaten by higher tier characters like cosmics, teambusters, skyfathers etc but put him in comparison to DC or Marvel's heroes and Wally is certainly one of the most powerful out of them.

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#30 Posted by EnZy (4 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Wally is the best (not omnipotent) superhero.

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