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Posted by Chris207

Couple of thoughts on a possible movie... 
 
1) Go with the Spirit of Truth storyline, and how she's lost touch with the world. True, you'd have to have someone play Superman I suppose(<cough> Tom Welling <cough>)...but Christian Bale's Batman is another possibility. 
 
2) Keep the "Wonder Woman losing her path and message not being taken seriously" plot but introduce another main character, a young woman in her late teens or early twenties, who helps her become "grounded in reality" and aware of how things are in Man's World. This new character would be the audience's connection to WW, and she'd help set up the sequel. Especially if her name's Donna Troy. 
 
I really don't think a live-action series would work because there would be too much comparison to Lynda Carter's series. An animated series might work, maybe a spin-off from Justice League or the new Young Justice?

Posted by Mask of Tengu

I agree with Sarah...I love Wonder Woman...I loved her in Infinite Crisis btw,,,not crazy about the current book though
Posted by Rockanomics

Dr. Doom seems to have dethroned Cool Baby.

Posted by Darkmount1

Nice vid, guys.  And G-Man, you're absolutely right. The people behind the roadblock of Wondy's TV show are SCARED STIFF.   If you bump into people like that (at a con or something), please deliver a message for me: SHOW SOME BACKBONE, PUT HER ON TV, AND THE HECK WITH REALISM!  Film and television are supposed to provide escapism for people, and Wonder Woman (and Superman) fits that bill perfectly.
Posted by niamahai

that anime remade had a lot of ball busting too
 
WW too violent for modern times yo.

Posted by Casshern

Finally someone hit the nail on the coffin!! Wonder Woman is COMPLETELY un-relatable!
 
Like Superman! Superman is sooo perfect but...at least he was raised on HUMAN VALUES. This made him relatable on some degree.  
 
BUT Wonder Woman is higher than Superman. She's the symbol of perfect female independence, strength, and values. O and did I forget she was made!! No union with a man...MADE and raised to be 100% capable without the need or the idea of a man in her life. 
Such independent values people talk about and ask their daughters of on some degree to make it through High School or College without getting pregnant by some guy, who will leave when reality gets to real. 
 
Hey a live-action show doesn't work...Because no one can relate. Even capable strong women have had responsible sex. I'm not saying whore her around, but wonder woman is on a high tower that no can relate to. SHE is even ABOVE James Bond! 
 
James Bond is completely independent, capable and devoted to the job (Like Her). But at least he enjoys the fact he may die someday living so dangerously. So he lives for the moment with women who know he's not going to stay. That's about as responsible has he's going to get...but at least his partners are not confused. 
 
Wonder Woman may be able to turn Human and change back again (if she still has that) but like Batman is Bruce Wayne and Superman is Clark Kent...WHEN THE HELL IS SHE HUMAN ENOUGH FOR ANYONE TO CARE! 
An animated series covering her lore, running 4-5 seasons Sounds Great! She was made to be over the top,  I DON'T WANT TO SEE HER DUMDED DOWN!, a live-action doesn't work because she is un-relatable. 
 
If the show could show her devoted connection to her people, that could speak to family issues that people could relate to. But she is over the top and untouchable. Almost like Bond but not, more alien than Superman and she has family connection...But Batman shows this more than she does
 
I'm still glad the show was dropped! and (if live-action) I would want the show to be as series as supernatural & Alias!

Posted by creole
@Casshern said:
"Finally someone hit the nail on the coffin!! Wonder Woman is COMPLETELY un-relatable!
 
Like Superman! Superman is sooo perfect but...at least he was raised on HUMAN VALUES. This made him relatable on some degree.  
 
BUT Wonder Woman is higher than Superman. She's the symbol of perfect female independence, strength, and values. O and did I forget she was made!! No union with a man...MADE and raised to be 100% capable without the need or the idea of a man in her life. 
Such independent values people talk about and ask their daughters of on some degree to make it through High School or College without getting pregnant by some guy, who will leave when reality gets to real. 
 
Hey a live-action show doesn't work...Because no one can relate. Even capable strong women have had responsible sex. I'm not saying whore her around, but wonder woman is on a high tower that no can relate to. SHE is even ABOVE James Bond! 
 
James Bond is completely independent, capable and devoted to the job (Like Her). But at least he enjoys the fact he may die someday living so dangerously. So he lives for the moment with women who know he's not going to stay. That's about as responsible has he's going to get...but at least his partners are not confused. 
 
Wonder Woman may be able to turn Human and change back again (if she still has that) but like Batman is Bruce Wayne and Superman is Clark Kent...WHEN THE HELL IS SHE HUMAN ENOUGH FOR ANYONE TO CARE! 
An animated series covering her lore, running 4-5 seasons Sounds Great! She was made to be over the top,  I DON'T WANT TO SEE HER DUMDED DOWN!, a live-action doesn't work because she is un-relatable. 
 
If the show could show her devoted connection to her people, that could speak to family issues that people could relate to. But she is over the top and untouchable. Almost like Bond but not, more alien than Superman and she has family connection...But Batman shows this more than she does.  I'm still glad the show was dropped! and (if live-action) I would want the show to be as series as supernatural & Alias! "

you make some good point, but seems no one want to let non-fans know about wonder woman trades. like comic- vine commmuity are not letting the peoples know about them. sure you can't force no one to like wonder woman, but at least they should give her a try. once again i agree with what you said.
Edited by ArtisticNeedham

I wanted to present a different reason why some young boys maybe didn't read Wonder Woman, maybe some young boys didn't read Wonder Woman because they read comics about male characters they could pretend to be or characters they wanted to grow up into.
Not saying this goes for everyone, but for me it did and maybe others.
 
I think they are afraid of Wonder Woman as a movie or TV show because of her costume, they can't do the Smallville thing again and do the "no costumes no flying."  I think they don't know how to do the show without it coming off as goofy or unreal.  And like you guys said, unrelateable.  Probably same reason why Superman is always shown in an origin story.
I also agree, a Wonder Woman show budget wise would be much easier than a Hulk show.  Every episode Banner will have to transform into the Hulk.  The FX for the transformation, the FX and make up or CG for the Hulk himself, the FX for the destruction and fight scenes, would add to much more than what Smallville is and what Wonder Woman would have to be.
 
How I would make her show,  ideas anyway:
A costume more like this:

I imagine the TV series going in line with the animated movie (explains away her costume and the Amazons I think), Like Babs said, the animated movie was great.  Just follow along those lines but with some live action tweaks.  Wonder Woman would come to the outside world in an effort to bring peace.  Perhaps she would be the UN representative for the Amazons.  And while she is in the outside world she finds that she can use her powers to stop crime and things like that.
So her official reason for being in our world would be as a representative of the Amazons in a UN type function.  But with her powers she finds herself being called on more and more to stop crime and protect the innocent.
She wouldn't have her invisible jet, although I could see her working with the US government some (going on missions they ask her to help with) and being given equipment like a jet that has the capability to seem invisible.
But anyway, most of the time she wouldn't have her jet, she would have her lasso, and weapons from her island.  She would wear a more armory looking version of her costume. 
Posted by webling

Before I started reading Batgirl, I did have that thought that of is it going to be filled with girly stuff. A few seconds later I realized I was being a moron and went and bought the comic. 
 
Off topic, but I see a cowboy in the bricks:

Posted by Legatus

I don't see how a WW show could work. Over here in Germany i'd give it zero chance of succes.
 
And offtopic: why did you put that leg in the background?

Posted by yeopop

I think we won't have a WW show on T.V. soon, what actress would wear that swimsuit episode after episode? We have the precedent of Lynda Carter since she played WW many people see her as the heroine, and not as actress who can play other roles. I think Sara said that she's a feminist icon and that means that WW is not made for everybody, and I mean she's made for women only, not to like men too. And somebody said that a good story can be made for WW thanks to the the extensive Greek mythology, but that mythology is too big and sometimes complicated. I think we'll have to wait to have a film or a T.V. show.

Posted by LoggerRythm

Jessica Biel as Wonder Woman = Awesome. 
If you want a classic look. 
 Also, $5 says Babs is still wearing the Blue & white star granny panties.  
I'm just sayin'.

Posted by ComiCCloseup

What makes any of you think WW has enough popularity currently to even warrant a t.v. show?  I'm surprised the comic is still alive.  They can't afford it?  Really? Maybe they knew that no one would watch it and they didn't want to lose money.
 
Don't know what else you got wrong because once you started talking about the female movement I stopped watching.
Posted by ComiCCloseup

 Wait you really think a reason that WW isn't being read by someone is because she can go toe to toe with Superman and win without kryptonite? Really? HAHA omg ok please if you are this person please message me because I do not belive you exist. 
 
Maybe the reason she hasn't been turned into anything primetime is because everyone keeps trying to make her a female that is pushing feminism.  That is not entertaining it just makes it one more show out there too political for it's own good.  People want to have a good time and escape their own drama in their life for 30 minutes to an hour without having to hear about what's fair and not fair in the workplace or whatever.  I mean would you watch a show that bitched about slaves all the time?  Nope, it's 2011 get over it.  
  
So until they leave her character as just entertainment and not some underlying fem. movement device you are not going to see her anytime soon. 
 
Who cares anyway.  If you need to see her that bad go watch old episodes of Xena for your fix.
Posted by Eyz
@ComiCCloseup: 
I think that, "she can go toe to toe with Superman and win without kryptonite", is the reason people should want to read/see a tv show about her!
WW is the comic book's first "lady", can take care of herself just fine and kick anyone's ass, from Darkseid to Hades!
 
I think the problem, with a modern tv series, might be on producers' fault. They don't want to take risks anymore or try anything original, be it on the big or small screen. :/
Posted by Hadez

I hope so I like Wonder Woman and she doesn't get out there enough

Posted by BoOMbOoMpOw

Lol great video ^^ I totally agree with you that the most female characters don`t get the respect that they deserve ! And yes Buffy is AWESOME !!!!

Posted by GalactaSurfer

Wonder Woman is a symbol for feminist? Really? 
 
Just I cant see a lot of DC properties succeeding outside of cartoons Wonder Woman is no different. The thing about DC characters is that they're based on concepts that aren't relevant to today's markets. Who is really crying out for a TV series based on Greek mythology these days? I think WW missed her boat when Xena was out.
 
The only DC properties that even have a chance of making it onto the small screen are from Vertigo.  Save the superheroes for the kids.

Posted by LetterT

Who needs WW on TV? I say Comic Vine does their own series of WW Shorts with Babs. Pure gold!

Posted by Angelique LeBeau

This conversation never changes (not literally), just the whole Wonder Woman not being able to captivate the networks and or movie studios. I really dont understand it and probably never will. How about instead of movies like, Troy, Alexander, and Clash of the Titans, they just sack up and give WW a chance?

Edited by A-Strondinaire

Coincidentally just finished the Wonder Woman movie the other day and I was impressed, through the whole thing I was like how is this not on TV? I say get an actual comic writer preferably someone whose written (Whoever got her run money and ratings) and let them have at it but there will have to be changes. The outfit, no one can try and promote women empowerment with a woman running in an outfit like that, Villians yes her only known villians are Cheetah (talking from a perspective of non-comic fans) they would need more I think the best they do is just make up some for the series and keep whatever sticks, and make it relatable to every demographic which might be hard for the men. I think they could modernize the Gods and Goddess', and try and keep the theme of the movie help Wonder Woman show the amazons that mankind isn't all bad while still getting used to living in a male-dominated world have her live a roommate (Cassie and Her mom are perfect candidates), have some other DC heroes and villians showup (I'm sure Welling won't be doing anything after Smallville) and have her working as an assistant like her early carnation. It isn't that hard to make a woman hero tv show it's just the lack of respect not to mention girls don't want to see do-gooder women. 
  
Off-Topic (while i'm on a Women empowerment rant) Will you guys calm down with this Bab kiss up infatuation it's playing into every comic book nerds stereotype of never seeing or interacting with a girl yes she is an attractive women you do not need to point it out to her every forum discussions I'm sure she appreciates it but finds it creepy.

Posted by Mainline

The video had a lot of prompts, I guess I'll touch on a few: 
 
Relatability - This isn't the issue people make it out to be.  You don't enjoy Deadpool because you relate to him (at least I hope to god you don't!), you do because he's entertaining- humor, violence, etc.  I hardly think the international success of Baywatch, the critical acclaim of Inception, or the compulsion to watch shows like Jerry Springer stem from relatability.  With an icon as strong as Wonder Woman and the trappings for action and beauty and comic book melodrama, there's more than enough there that's marketable then worrying about relating to the lowest common denominator.  The truly iconic heroes, like Wonder Woman, have in large part been aspirational rather than realistic and that's not necessarily a problem.
 
Paragon - Being an icon and being larger than life makes it hard to live up to the mixed phantom image that exists out amongst the public.  We know that Wonder Woman stands for ideals like truth, feminism, beauty, and peace... but what does that mean today?  Where does she stand on the Middle East, on censorship, on posing for adult magazines, etc- that is, on issues that even journalists, feminists, pacifists, etc. can't even agree upon as ideal?  Simply put, it's hard to be perfect when there's no such thing.  However, this is a false dilemma for two reasons: 1) Duality is at the core of most superheroes, even the most iconic version of Wonder Woman (with her TV alter ego Diana Prince); 2) Idealism is not perfection.  The critique of the paragon is that such behavior is inhuman, predictable, and devoid of conflict... the fact is, none of that is true.  While baser instincts are common, virtue is humanity, it's what makes us different than animals and displays of compassion, loyalty, courage, etc. can be compelling television (insert list of "feel good" programming like Parenthood, Extreme Makeover Home Edition, etc)... nor is it necessarily predictable and is- in fact- surprising when faced with Sophie's Choice, Splitting the Baby, spontaneous charity, unexpected forgiveness, etc. (Wonder Woman wanting to restore a single child to life rather than her own eyesight, for example, is compelling plotting)... finally, the idealism represented is hardly devoid of conflict.  Wonder Woman is allowed to be supremely competent and idealistic, but reality and duality allow that to be at odds with others and the real world... we see it in dramas like ER, West Wing, CSI, etc. people who are the best of the best in some way, idealistic, nonetheless challenged and conflicted.  As a public person and a super heroine, Wonder Woman is allowed to be as much a symbol of heroism and virtue as any firefighter, president, or doctor... but as an individual, Diana is allowed to be as human as on Rescue Me, West Wing, or ER. 
 
Put it this way, if the West Wing can take a paragon president and make a compelling drama out of the surrounding complex, cynical, and dirty world of politics, doing the same for a paragon heroine against the world is not an impossibility.
 
Approach - David E. Kelly is reported as being optimistic about the show and stressing intelligence and complexity.  That, to me, sounds about right (for a serious, non-comedic take on WW) with the addition of making it a period piece.  There are a couple of reasons for making it a period piece: 

  1. Enhances suspension of disbelief- even transporting audiences to another time is in many ways transporting them to another world and going back to the 1940s does create a fantasy feel where more will be tolerated;
  2. Limits the scope of stories- Contemporary celebrity, politics, etc. is without filter... we have too much data, every issue must be addressed, no stone can remain unturned... in 2012, Diana can't hold a press conference without being asked about her sexuality or without TMZ posting every inch of her body on the 'net daily... that harsh light is unfitting for the mystery and romance of an iconic superheroine;
  3. Increases her status as Paragon- Right and wrong can be more black and white, feminism more clearly defined, and Wonder Woman can come off as progressive- in that era- without actually having to be progressive in our era.  By staging it as a period piece you can put Wonder Woman more clearly in the right than in the moral ambiguity of today (but like the earlier point, you can scale it as you desire);
  4. It enhances her icon- That is Wonder Woman's era and there's nothing wrong with that.  A lot of the trouble with adapting Wonder Woman comes from trying not just to adapt her to real life but to real life now... if you take the time part of the equation, you can rely more on what make her work historically.  Wonder Woman making a splash in the 1940s can truly be called a wonder... doing in 2012 might make people ask whether she's just a movie special effect.
  5. We identify with Diana more- If Stranger in a Strange Land angle is to be played at all, it should be in a setting that we- the audience- is unfamiliar with as well so that Diana becomes our avatar of world discovery.  If you have Diana acting alien and quizzical about contemporary 2012 America, we look down upon her, judge her a dunce, and are unsympathetic to her ignorance or judgment upon mankind... but if Diana is baffled by 1940's racism or sexism or economics or technology level... we're right along side her wondering the same thing.
 To address anything with intelligence and complexity means that the costumed persona needs to be subordinate in the story.  Whether reading a biography about Abraham Lincoln or watching a documentary about Corey Booker, the public persona is the paragon, but the private one is where the compelling drama and complexity lies.  To me, you need to cast for Diana and Wonder Woman will follow.  In terms of overall framework, I'm comfortable with a military liaison  / ambassador type role.  JAG / politics is easy dramatic fodder able to fold in action at a moment's notice.  But to me, that's the essential approach- compelling period drama first, superheroics second.  TV isn't the place for high budget action... the expense is either too high or the execution will suffer... so the meat of the show needs to be the dramatic portion driven by charismatic, beautiful people in compelling and intelligent plots (not necessarily plots that are about smarts, so much as written smartly... whether that means emotional manipulation, powerful topics, interpersonal drama, etc... an airtight plot or heavily rationalized elements is nice too, but not the end-all, be-all). 
 
The alternative approach is to make it a self-aware parody of the 70s TV show that's a smart comedy about the superhero genre with commentary that's elevated by using the WW franchise... but it needs to be tongue in cheek and and loving parody and frankly those are extremely hard to write well and I'm not sure comic fans would "get it" without thinking they were being relentlessly mocked.
 
Powers - Invulnerability, super strength, martial prowess, bracelets / tiara / lasso, and magical elements.  Mostly for the type of action you can do believably on a budget.  Flight, Invisible Jets, etc. can wait for later seasons if ever / at all.
 
Costume - The original.  Again, by setting it as a period piece you can manipulate costuming and world design in a way such that Wonder Woman matches the time and the pallette (the way the Rocketeer does).  Her being both shocking and plausible in the 40s has a certain veracity to it that wouldn't work with 2012 cameraphones looking to snap shots of her butt.  That said, she'd spend most of her time in her civilian identity and her ambassador identity should have a spate of costumes to go along with her duties.  The original costume should be, essentially, just battle garb and the show should go out of its way to show that it's traditional, normal, and pragmatic for her people and her personally to wear such attire.  One iconic way to do it would be for her to wear more conventional robes or attire and have it sullied, ripped, shredded, etc. by combat whilst her standard armor remains unscathed underneath.  A woman with skin of stone under attack is better off relying on that skin than limiting her mobility or wrecking her wardrobe simply for modesty's sake.  Modern MMA, boxers, wrestlers, and other combatants wear very little... that same attitude and veracity needs to be conveyed in the TV show even if- god forbid- we need to put two beautiful amazons wrestling on screen to make clear the point.  The costume is gaudy, but it isn't impractical for her purposes so don't apologize for it, just play it straight.

Audience - If your Diana is gorgeous and your action solid you've got the 18-35 male demographic locked up well enough to support a low quality show like Smallville or Nikita.  If your production values are high enough to have a compelling 40s era, your values sufficiently mainstream (like railing against racism, Nazis, and sexism in the 40s), and your plots uninsulting to the intelligence of your viewers, your appeal will be broad enough to last a while on a major network.  If your stories are actually really smart, your characters go through arcs, your emotions real, and your production values stellar... you can not just last but thrive on a major network as an evening ratings anchor.  Nothing to me on this list seems impossible and no trapping of Wonder Woman would prevent you from casting a gorgeous Diana, doing solid fight choreography and decent action stunt work, leveraging the 40s, manipulating values and emotions, and writing good stories. 
 
People just want good television.  Magic newspapers, extraterrestrial hunting FBI agents, super spies, mysterious islands with smoke monsters, etc. aren't make it or break it issues... an Amazon is not a hard sell it just needs to be executed.
Posted by Dutchy

Wonder Woman as a modern tv show ala Smallville can work. Frankly im amazed they arent working on a Wonder Woman tv series. The producers think a Blue Beetle tv show will be more successful, and i highly doubt that.

Posted by A-Strondinaire
@Dutchy:
In the eyes of producers latin superhero+teen+ CW lack of a male demographic= Tween Gold how can it not fail 
Posted by Demas
@Mainline: Related to relatability (no pun intended), Wonder Woman doesn't need to carry the show all by herself.  If she has relatable sidekicks, supporting cast members, romantic foils, and multi-dimensional empathetic villains, they do as much to immerse the viewer as Wondy.  You don't need to relate to every character or even the star as long as there is enough humanity in the show overall.
Posted by Grimoire
@ComiCCloseup said:
"  Wait you really think a reason that WW isn't being read by someone is because she can go toe to toe with Superman and win without kryptonite? Really? HAHA omg ok please if you are this person please message me because I do not belive you exist.  Maybe the reason she hasn't been turned into anything primetime is because everyone keeps trying to make her a female that is pushing feminism.  That is not entertaining it just makes it one more show out there too political for it's own good.  People want to have a good time and escape their own drama in their life for 30 minutes to an hour without having to hear about what's fair and not fair in the workplace or whatever.  
    So until they leave her character as just entertainment and not some underlying fem. movement device you are not going to see her anytime soon.  Who cares anyway.  If you need to see her that bad go watch old episodes of Xena for your fix. "

I have to agree with what your saying. In the WW comics they bring up that one thing almost every single time and it does get annoying even though it isn't even WW 98% percent of the time that takes these stances but almost any female hero or villain she is around bringing it up.
I read other comics with strong female leads like Ms. Marvel, Supergirl, X-23, or Power Girl and they don't bring up if who they are fighting is a guy or girl just the enemy which is plain and simple. 
Buffy is a good example of how to make a good show. I own all the seasons simply because she herself wasn't blaming everything on men. (Outside of certain instances where the guys acted like morons and I wanted them to get hurt as much as anyone else.lol)
The WW animated movie wasn't bad but if I watch it again I'll most likely skip the whole first of the movie to when Steve tells her off because up till then it was "the fault was man", "if only men were not around", "Only man is evil", "or "Am I in heaven?" gets punched in the face by Artemis as Queen Hippolyta then says "We are peaceful Amazons." and so on. After that speech it was finally time to see that both genders have faults which is where the movie starts for me.
Everyone knows that ol' William Moulton Marston created Wonder Woman to do this very thing but speaking for myself I don't want to have my gender blamed for all of Earth's problems simply because I was born with a Y chromosome when I simple want to see Justice triumph over evil. Is that too much to ask? lol
Edited by WDW

 

The issue is simple
 
90% of the reason why a TV show is so RISKY it is because of the Classic Costume. It does not really fit in today’s version of Wonder Woman yet it’s what she is most known for. Normally a bad costume would NOT be an issue but in Wonder Woman’s case, Her costume is associated with an American Flag right down to the embossed balled EAGLE and looks a lot like a bathing suit, yet she is NOT an American citizen, Does not really care to be an American, she does not Work for any branch or the American government, does not really have "American" social ideals. Also based on her personality and abilities she should not be wearing a bathing suit style costume.  
 
If I was a Movie or TV producer I would certainly hesitate to make Wonder Woman based on those facts surely international audiences who are not as familiar with Wonder Woman as Batman or Superman would be REALLY confused and that would seriously impact the number of viewers of the show or Movie making it a VERY bad investment.
 
The only way to have a serious Wonder Woman TV show or Movie using her classic costume is to place it back in 1942 During World War 2 ERA and I doubt anyone wants to see that! After all that concept only lasted 1 season in the original 1970's TV show before they updated it to modern 1970's at the time. Of course she worked for the Government (Via Diana Prince) so the costume is understandable.
 
The success of the NEWEST batman movies has shown DC comics Warner Bros. and Hollywood how much money can be made with superhero's..... Wonder Woman can make them a lot of money if handled correctly!..... The campy costume must change!
 
ANYWAY
 
 It seems that DC comics realize this and that is the reason for changing Wonder Woman's costume.
 
Once most people accept she needs a permanent costume change and the classic costume is honorable discharged, DC comics and Time Warner will be able to create realistic MODERN! Scripts about Wonder Woman that everyone can agree on.  
 
I admit if it was not for her classic costume Wonder Woman may not be as popular today with mainstream audiances....but her orignal costume was nothing more then a marketing tactic for the 1940's World War 2 Era.
 
If we want to make her into a movie or TV star she needs to look something like what we have BELOW in the picture.
 

 



Posted by advocatefish

The Wonder Woman zombie thing was one of my favorite whiskey media moments.  
 
Anyways, i think a show where Wonder Woman with her having conflicting lives in both America and Paradise Island would work fine. Almost like Superman. 
 
But i wouldn't worry too much, Wonder Woman is very iconic, something will happen. I personally think her big brake might come in the justice league movie. If she gets those bad ass fight scenes thats she's had in the animated movies she can win tons of people over and get her own movie.

Edited by WDW

NBC just authorized a TV Pilot for the show by Kelly so Potentially we can see the show FALL 2011!