40 Comments
Posted by jlat89

I think she's supposed to be 16, although I might have just made that up =)

Edited by Comiclove5

It was a bit dissappointed by this issue, but they have 11 chapters/issue to make it up to us (the fans).
Posted by couzinit99

mmmm i liked the issue. I do have to agree, however, on Terry's art. I LOVEEEEE his art i really do, but i feel he's seemingly going in the motions and not progressing as an artist. idk . . . id give it a 3.5 if i could haha
Posted by thetitan0

i agree with your guys review but this is a 15 chapter story, they all can't be 5's. you need some filler. every good story has some filler.

Posted by doordoor123

CUT THE MUSIC PLEASE!
it could be my ADD but i couldnt concentrate on anything you were saying.
it was also way too intense for a review. lol
BACK THE REVIEW: i felt like nothing really significant happend which kind of saddened me. The most that happend was cable and hope uniting with some x-men. And even the uniting was breif.
I want some information or some twist or some element... anything.
i "hope" kurt dies. he gets on my nerves.
im really hoping cable doesnt die... i love him...

Posted by Lord Vashti

She doesn't even play with her hair a lot. 
That's dope.  
 
Keep clicking on timeline at 5:42.
You're welcome.

Posted by thetitan0
@Lord Vashti said:
" She doesn't even play with her hair a lot.  That's dope.    Keep clicking on timeline at 5:42. You're welcome. "
what is it?
Posted by G-Man
@doordoor123: 
Different camera was used. Music wasn't so intense during editing. At least it's only in the beginning.
Staff
Posted by doordoor123

LOL. what camera do you use? specifics. 
I love your reviews but the music was kind of overkill for me.
If youre going to add underscore make sure it doesnt overpower whats happening on screen.

Posted by daveydavey

I like your Woodsy Owl shirt G-Man. "Give a Hoot Dont Pollute".    :)
Edited by DevilmanEX

Loved this issue.....was a little disappointed in the end but overall I liked it.  I like Hope's progression as a character and I think her reactions to a non apocalyptic world as a coming of age teen are accurate.  I think that was the main plot focus of the issue.   Loved Dodson's art but I feel he can learn something from an artist like JR JR in having dynamic action instead of a layout of one character just posing in an 'action' ready position.  Overall I think the pacing is fine especially since we're going to get a chapter per week.  The pacing seems to not miss a moment for any party involved instead of in big cross overs when they talk about war then jump right in the middle of battle and you feel days have occurred in between issues.

Posted by Theodore

3.5/5 for me.

Posted by haydenclaireheroes

WE NEED KITTYY PRYDE

Posted by DMC

I know Dodson's women tend to look similar at times but Hope does not look like Emma in this issue......sorry Babs. 
 
Dodson's art looked A LOT better during his Wonder Woman run. I was kinda hoping he would bring this level of artwork to Second Coming.......

 Donna Troy

 
@G-Man: You have to admit G-Man , mutant hating humans and a "super" sentinel makes sense for this kind of story. But I wouldn't be surprised if another foe (or 2) comes into the mix.

Posted by Gawdzilla

Nightcrawler will die...I'm a monster of my word

Posted by Decept-O

For the love of all mutanity, die Cable, die!   *I'm a jerk*   
 
G-Man, you will learn to love the New Mutants.  It is your.....destiny.
Posted by FoxxFireArt

I knew she was going to say that at least three times. I do agree with her about the cover. It feels motionless and kind of dull. It looks more like a figure trying to mimic motion. It looks like Wolverine struck him, but nothing happened. Looks like a "swing and a miss".
 
I find myself agreeing with Babs again. Not as if that's a horrid thing, but I digress. Hope doesn't look like a teen. She has the body of a woman in her mid to late twenties. We often see this in drawings of X-23. Some artists really seem to have a problem drawing teen bodies.
 
I am a little confused about something. That bit with Emma talking about X-Force with Scott. I thought that issue was settled months ago with her.

Edited by Fresh0133

I demand a SHIELD #1 unscripted, sorry to take away from this review, I actually liked this issue quite a bit, I'm with G-Man, four out of 5 but Bastion is the perfect villain for this event, he's one of the vilest X-Villians of all time for what's supposed to redefine the mutant section of the MU.

Posted by Golden Cod

I agree with GMan on the villains being uninteresting.   Zero character development on them.   Many foils do not equal a good foil.

Posted by Erik

 Gah! Music in the beginning was drowning you both out. It got better towards the end though.  
 
But as for Hope having her girly moments, she did have a mother figure from her childhood for a little while. I imagine that her 'mother' did have a lot to do with that. Perhaps she likes that stuff because it reminds her of the only peaceful time in her life eh?

Online
Posted by CATMANEXE
@G-Man:
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with your down points on this issue, strangely too since
i would give this a lower rating.

firstly my own opinion is like Green Lantern
51, this was obviously the staging issue, where they place everyone for us, so we know who
is involved, where they are, what they're about to do and why before the action unfolds. granted
that equals pretty uneventful, but it has to, and the story is essential, especially so readers do not
get confused in the long run as to why everything is happening. but uneventful either way.

Bastion is Master Mold/Nimrod, the big bad Sentinel. It's characterization was however pretty fugly.
I get that he is AI and learning from humans, but being overly melodramatic, and worse yet, making
bad puns which it bothers to even point out, just fails.

Cable returning to the present, and right off the bat is attacked. Not only did he know it was coming
he knows why. So what does he do? Well he holds up a convenience  store in broad daylight, on camera
in front of witnesses/hostages and not even in any form of disguise, then knowing all of this ducks out
in a nearby hotel which he and Hope check into, thereby fortifying his position? That just didn't sit right with
me. I get were time was an issue and they needed supplies, but that's sloppy, a little too sloppy for Cable,
especially after everything he has been through and is going through.

- on the set of villains
This story is the apex of Bishops future which has been overrun by Sentinel law, God Loves Man Kills,
Operation Zero Tolerance, and all of the events that have proceeded since X-men Prime, including more
recently the entire as of yet unended plot lines in X-Force, Cable, the Messiah series, even of
Madrox and Layla Millers jaunt into the future. In other words everything has revolved around these specific villain's and comes down to them. While 2-dimensional and not the coolest looking villain's in X-history, it could not have been anyone else, and were it, would just be a humongous middle finger from the brass to the readers.

- on Hope gets a makeover, and loves it like that
2 points here that were pretty good foreshadowing to me.
A.) Hope is the reincarnation of a Phoenix Host, or at the very least is attached to the Phoenix.
this was already covered in Cable and especially in her back-up stories. Meaning she actually
has the memories and instincts of someone, likely with red hair *ahem* who lived life at least
partially like an average American girl and or woman.
B.) it shows that while she has been trained and all, and while she is not a little girl, emotionally
however she is underdeveloped and very much still a little girl, partly due to the fact that she was never
nurtured emotionally to begin with. the foreshadowing we are being given here is that Hope is emotionally
unstable to a good degree in that she is not prepared for dealing with the events that are about to unfold,
and this adds a good element of danger and raises questions as to whether, dun-dun-dun, Bishop was in fact right about her. i liked that, even for as odd as the scene was to ingest at first glance.

- Dodson
its not the other guy, so im cool with a little inconsistency here and there.

so 3, only due to the fact that the issue was the set-up issue it was and couldn't be
anything else, and the bad characterization on the villain (see his characterization in X-Force for what it
should be). but i felt just about everything put in play was there and needed to be.
Posted by INCSlayer

the only problem i have is the music lower the volume or cut it out

Posted by G'bandit

Wow, it sux from the cover to the end LOL

Posted by NXH
@DMC:
Holy shit! Is that Terry Dodson's art? This is amazing!
Posted by RomaTotti10

I agree with Babs on this one. A decent issue. 
3.5 out of 5  
 
Hey G-man you are too generous with your review scores. You give out a lot of 4s and 4.5s and very few low scores. I know you mostly review the big books and they are often very good but there should be a little more difference in the review scores.  

Posted by G-Man
I will tweak the music and re-upload video later today.
 
@RomaTotti10: I give the rating I feel it deserves. Also, according to my stats, my "average" is 3.5. That means I do give scores lower than a 3.5 in order for it to average to that. It just happens that more of the lower rated comics are written reviews versus video reviews.
Staff
Posted by Silverwolf

G-Man your shirt rocks. 
Plus, I've never heard anyone pronounce it messiah with z's rather than s's.

Edited by pixelized

So, they're standing in the middle of traffic, with a corpse and tons of wrecked vehicles and Nightcrawler decides it's a good time to announce his resignation? Why does everyone have to be dumbed down to make Scott look badass?  If it's not happening organically then there's no reason to push it. Scott then gives orders to snap Nightcrawler back into place...pssssh. And then Wolverine's, "Remind me never to try an' hide from you slim" after Cypher relayed Cable and Hope's location to Scott was more evidence of that badassness that Fraction is trying to convince me Scott has. Oh, and let's not forget Cannonball's, (accentless) "Orders received sir, we won't let you down." Really Cannonball? Why was there so much Cyclops worshiping in this issue??? I skeeved and broke out in hives when i read this in the store. 
 
And all of Dodson's women, except Illyana because she has bangs, part their hair and let it cascade the same way. Shame.
 
Something positive though, I'm looking forward to New Mutants.

Moderator
Posted by Bobby X

I haven't been a fan of Fraction's X-men at all so I'm not surprised this issue wasn't as good as part 1. 
 
I LOVE his Invincible Iron Man, but I just don't think he has as much of a handle on these characters...
Posted by Joe Venom

this book needs Sentinels lots and lots of Sentinels you can't hunt Mutants without Sentinels XD

Posted by Korg

Terrible characterization all over the place in this issue. I think Second Coming is going to cement Uncanny as the worst X-Title. Looking forward to New Mutants. Hell, I'm looking forward to everything in this event except the issues of Uncanny which I am being roped into reading.

Posted by thatlad

I don't get it...no follow up on Kitty Pride at all??????? 
 
I think Babs has been spoiled by Whilce Portacio's immense art in the previous Uncanny issue, yes this art aint great but at least it's not Greg Land...god knows what he'd have done to Hope.  
 
G-man raises a very good point though on the enemy situation. Take Magneto, Apocalypse & Sinister out the equation and you're not left with many BIG bad guys left. Marvel should really focus on elevating some new bad guys to the level of those three if anything to at least keep stories fresh. 
Sublime seems to be a bad guy in waiting (see a few issue back) but maybe they could raise a different or new bad guy into that really fearsome calculating territory. Romulus maybe?? 

Posted by noname2062
@thetitan0 said:
" i agree with your guys review but this is a 15 chapter story, they all can't be 5's. you need some filler. every good story has some filler. "
Totally agree with that.

 I disagree with the assessment of Bastion being a weak villian... I really started following the X-Men during the Operation Zero Tolerance storyline, which Bastion had a huge role in. When I think of top X-Men villians, Sentinels immediately come to mind, and Bastion is, for all intents and purposes, a Super Sentinel.  The characterization of Bastion has fallen off a bit lately ,but I think he needs to be up there w/ the Magnetos' , and the Apocalypses' as a major X-baddie. My hope is that at some point, during this story, he will use a little of that Master Mold in him and assemble an army of Sentinels to assist with eliminating the mutants. I think that's just one way for Bastion to get a little more respect. But that's just my opinion.
Edited by Lord Vashti

You guys are awesome.

Posted by spiderguylll

Nightcrawler gotta die. Its 2 clear!!!!! Cable cant die...
Posted by mattydeNero

Okay, so yeah, we have 11 CHAPTERS remaining.  You have to throw that out there. 
 
Now Wolverine's kill right away in the issue, not supposed to be a big deal.  He's the best at what he does, and he did it again.  It made Nightcrawler upset, but he's one of the "death" candidates IMO. http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/mattydee007/x-men-second-coming-candidates-for-death/87-48193/      
 
As far as the villains go, there HAS to be someone else envolved.  I just find it strange that if you haven't read X-FORCE Vol. 3 since it began a few years ago, you're going to be lost.  This is the flagship X-Men book, I have never seen it go this direction before. 
 
Mags is going to do something big.  He could really be pulling all the strings here.  Bring Kitty back, but she's intangible 24/7.  Maybe kill a well-known X-Man.  Make everyone's life hell all day, everyday.  That doesn't sound too out of the picture for Magneto.  And I miss a Magneto capible of that.  He's been to "Zen" for the past decade and I'm over it.  I need a hidden agenda from him during all of this.
Posted by zedmanovic
@Joe Venom said:
" this book needs Sentinels lots and lots of Sentinels you can't hunt Mutants without Sentinels XD "
i was about to say that ^_^
Edited by Omega Ray Jay

It was all a bit non descript, could be because I'm completely out of the loop with the whole Cable and Hope storyline but it just seemed underwhelming, and I agree that the villians are somewhat lame. best thing about this issue for me was the Iron Man variant.

Edited by xerox_kitty
@pixelized said:

" So, they're standing in the middle of traffic, with a corpse and tons of wrecked vehicles and Nightcrawler decides it's a good time to announce his resignation? Why does everyone have to be dumbed down to make Scott look badass?  If it's not happening organically then there's no reason to push it. Scott then gives orders to snap Nightcrawler back into place...pssssh. And then Wolverine's, "Remind me never to try an' hide from you slim" after Cypher relayed Cable and Hope's location to Scott was more evidence of that badassness that Fraction is trying to convince me Scott has. Oh, and let's not forget Cannonball's, (accentless) "Orders received sir, we won't let you down." Really Cannonball? Why was there so much Cyclops worshiping in this issue??? I skeeved and broke out in hives when i read this in the store.   And all of Dodson's women, except Illyana because she has bangs, part their hair and let it cascade the same way. Shame.  Something positive though, I'm looking forward to New Mutants. "

Agreed, agreed, agreed... And don't forget the atrocious dialogue.   
 
Do we really need Cypher to say rubbish like "everything's language" to explain what his power is?  As if his codename didn't give it away to new readers, but us old readers don't need to be condescended to.   
 
And since when did Bastion the man-computer need to address his resurrected minions as 'brothers', or refer to Hope as a 'little mutant whelp'.  I thought this was 2010, but it's almost as if Stan Lee were writing the title.  Which would be okay as a standalone... but not in a cross-over!  Especially when it follows a great opening first issue.    
 
I'd already ranted about how ludicrous it was that Hope should suddenly be obsessed about her looks, so I'm glad G-Man picked up on that too.  Not every girl wants to look like a Barbie doll.  Yet after being in the present day for 5 minutes she appears to be undergoing some sort of psychic brain leech.  Possibly the same affliction that turned a little Welsh girl with butterfly wings into a vacuous Valley Girl ;p  Why on Earth would Hope care about how to put hair grips in?  Just WHO is she trying to impress?  She certainly can't be trying to attract Cable!  And why would she bounce on the bed or raid the fridge?  She may not have had any luxuries while running from Bishop all of her life, but that doesn't mean the instant she sees a mattress she has to turn into a moron... Her life is on the line, but she's excited to bounce on a cheap motel bed?!  WTF...?!
 
It makes me look forward to the next part, just to see some decent writing and decent art.  
Moderator
Posted by Aspenite

I don´t like the way Terry Dodson draws women. It looks way off!