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Posted by Silver2467

To me, to some degree or another, this issue seemed a little exploitive. But maybe that's just me. 

Posted by ComicMan24

If White Canary is who I think she is, I hope they have a good explanation.
Edited by lostlantern13

Between the background piano and the echo, it was a bit difficult hearing. Maybe that's just me though....
 
The beginning was a little weird, but after that everything was good. The art's strong, the story had a twist, and the end had me wanting a lot more.

Posted by No_Name_
@Silver2467 said:
" To me, to some degree or another, this issue seemed a little exploitive. But maybe that's just me.  "
I have to completely disagree. I think it was poking fun of exploitation and made Penguin look like a moron because everything that happened was in his mind, in his imagination and outside of reality. What he envisioned would never happen in continuity, and makes him look like a loser. :)
Posted by Jake Fury

Did they ever get this issue straightened out? It didn't ship this week to my LCS. :-( figures because its my favorite DC book.
Posted by longbowhunter

Glad to hear it was good. I bought the first two and not this one. I'll have to get it this weekend.
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Posted by No_Name_
@Jake Fury: I know we had some problems with the second issue arriving late to a lot of stores in California. I'm sorry to hear that! I'm sure by next week you'll definitely have it in your local LCS, but I haven't heard of any distribution problems with this third issue.
Posted by Sexy Merc

I might pick this up.

Posted by Jake Fury
@Babs:
My LCS guy said that diamond comics didn't ship it. I also heard a rumor that some copies accidentally had pages from Batgirl 12 inside. :s
Posted by Mainline

I think it's cool that Ed and Mariah could work on it together... so if nothing else Ed's sister didn't mind inking the scene.

Posted by Silver2467
@Babs said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" To me, to some degree or another, this issue seemed a little exploitive. But maybe that's just me.  "
I have to completely disagree. I think it was poking fun of exploitation and made Penguin look like a moron because everything that happened was in his mind, in his imagination and outside of reality. What he envisioned would never happen in continuity, and makes him look like a loser. :) "
I can see Penguin doing something that pathetic, but to me, it just seems like an excuse for fan service. And most "excuses" for fan service are pretty pathetic excuses. Now, I can agree that given Penguin's character, it does make sense, but I'm not completely sure it enhanced my reading experience too much. And that should be the goal. So, does it fit Penguin's character? Yes. Could I see him doing that? Yes. Is it really necessary though? I'm not entirely sure it is. 
Posted by No_Name_
@Jake Fury: My LCS had it in stock, and there were no pages of anything but BOP in this issue. Perfect issue, I had no problems.
Posted by Jake Fury
@Babs:
Sweet! Thanks!
Posted by No_Name_
@Silver2467 said:
" @Babs said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" To me, to some degree or another, this issue seemed a little exploitive. But maybe that's just me.  "
I have to completely disagree. I think it was poking fun of exploitation and made Penguin look like a moron because everything that happened was in his mind, in his imagination and outside of reality. What he envisioned would never happen in continuity, and makes him look like a loser. :) "
I can see Penguin doing something that pathetic, but to me, it just seems like an excuse for fan service. And most "excuses" for fan service are pretty pathetic excuses. Now, I can agree that given Penguin's character, it does make sense, but I'm not completely sure it enhanced my reading experience too much. And that should be the goal. So, does it fit Penguin's character? Yes. Could I see him doing that? Yes. Is it really necessary though? I'm not entirely sure it is.  "
Okay, I don't think it was necessary either, but it was funny and only added to poking fun of the Penguin's character. I'm usually the first to jump up and say something is sexist, but looking at the context of the story and the dialogue, it was comedic. The scenes that took place would never actually happen. Remember, It's Gail Simone, she's the biggest feminist in the industry. 
Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau
@Jake Fury:  Yeah, lots of copies had pages from the recent Batgirl issue in them.
Posted by Silver2467
@Babs said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @Babs said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" To me, to some degree or another, this issue seemed a little exploitive. But maybe that's just me.  "
I have to completely disagree. I think it was poking fun of exploitation and made Penguin look like a moron because everything that happened was in his mind, in his imagination and outside of reality. What he envisioned would never happen in continuity, and makes him look like a loser. :) "
I can see Penguin doing something that pathetic, but to me, it just seems like an excuse for fan service. And most "excuses" for fan service are pretty pathetic excuses. Now, I can agree that given Penguin's character, it does make sense, but I'm not completely sure it enhanced my reading experience too much. And that should be the goal. So, does it fit Penguin's character? Yes. Could I see him doing that? Yes. Is it really necessary though? I'm not entirely sure it is.  "
Okay, I don't think it was necessary either, but it was funny and only added to poking fun of the Penguin's character. I'm usually the first to jump up and say something is sexist, but looking at the context of the story and the dialogue, it was comedic. The scenes that took place would never actually happen. Remember, It's Gail Simone, she's the biggest feminist in the industry.  "
Well, fair enough. I don't usually find those instances to be humorous, usually; so my disagreement with you on that may just be a matter of taste. I'm not saying it was sexist, necessarily. I just didn't get the humor out of it that you did, apparently. :) 
 
Also, I agree that Simone's the biggest feminist in the industry, but she has been a little exploitive with characters sometimes. Giganta comes to mind, as an example. Pretty much all writers have though, so....
Edited by Blackestnight

Sexy  isn't sexist.  Believing in the superiority of a sex(gender) is sexist.  Being, graphic, lude, tacky, slutty, tantalizing, flirtatious,  etc isn't sexist. You can say it's unwanted (by some wanted by others) against your taste or whatever but it's not sexist. Gender isn't defined by appearance. Objectification is not the same as exploitation either.  Look up the words.

Posted by ComiCCloseup

It was great lighthearted fun and people need to relax on this.
Posted by BringBackPowerPack
@lostlantern13:  I always have trouble hearing her in the videos.
Posted by Mschanandlerbong

 Babs : "....there's more people messing with these girls." ...and Hawk!
 
There is a dude in BoP!

Posted by ArtisticNeedham

How come you guys split up the reviews this week?  Is it because you guys were busy with the move to the new place?  Or are the reviews going to be solo again?

Posted by Gylan Thomas
@ArtisticNeedham said:
" How come you guys split up the reviews this week?  Is it because you guys were busy with the move to the new place?  Or are the reviews going to be solo again? "
Or have you had afalling out :P
Posted by RomaTotti10

This was an excellent issue and I really liked the first scene. It gives the Penguin some character. 

Posted by G-Man
@ArtisticNeedham: 
@Gylan Thomas:
Since we're always rushing around and were short on time (SDCC next week and settling into the new office), we decided to each do two separately at the same time. Looking at the comments here and on Second Coming #2, we might give this a try for a bit with the occasional joint video. Why not mix things up once in a while? We'll still be doing Trading Views together (but not this week, again, ran out of time).
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Posted by Mbecks14

seems like a good book! but get Hawk and Dove out of there

Posted by sora_thekey

I haven't read issue #2 so I will have to read that first...

Posted by Comiclove5

I love this series.
Posted by THALASTDRAGON

i've been curious about this, i do like some of tha characters on tha team and i luv eds art. i may pick up these first few issues at wizard world chicago comic-con, myabe i can find em cheap lol
Posted by doordoor123

what is up with these unscripteds. man im let down.
But the comic was good. Dont really know who those guys at the end were but whatever.

Posted by sparty-dbq

So Babs, when you got to the end and found out you had to wait for what's next, is that when you punched the hole in the wall behind you?
Edited by Cherry Bomb

urgh ... I hate not being able to see these videos!  Please upload to youtube.  :'(

Posted by Cherry Bomb

Who is it??? who does BC think it is? [: someone wanna tell me?

Posted by carnivalofsins00

YES! this is sooooo good.

Posted by Stealthfart
@Silver2467: I agree with it being unnecessary, but I also found it to be quite funny.  It wasn't exploitive, rather it could be seen as Gail Simone showing how others, real people and the fictional ones, may see costumed heroines.  Even though they may fight for good, their outfits seem like a fanboy's wet dream, which is what we saw in this issue through Penguin's hallucination.  I think of them as distractions; while an enemy is distracted by the outfit and movement of the heroine, it leaves them open to attack.   
 
Is it necessary for the outfits to show that much skin, be that tight, or even  to be thought of in a perverted way at all? No, but it happens.  That being said, I do question why Huntress isn't wearing the full suit she had on for One Year Later and Final Crisis: Revelations.  I could understand a viable reason like increased maneuverability in the the uncovered areas, but I am curious as to the change.
Posted by Silver2467
@Stealthfart: Well, I wasn't questioning their suits, but I mean, the whole Penguin scene, to me anyway, didn't really add anything. That's just me. I'm not going to get all bent out of shape if other people found it humorous. 
Posted by MrDirector786

Good to hear that it's good. I'm getting this issue as soon as possible.

Posted by No_Name_
@sparty-dbq said:
" So Babs, when you got to the end and found out you had to wait for what's next, is that when you punched the hole in the wall behind you? "
How did you know?
Posted by Archetype
@Mbecks14 said:
" seems like a good book! but get Hawk and Dove out of there "
I disagree,not with it being good, i like having Hawk there specifically to balance out the females in the roster.I'm not saying I wouldn't like it if he wasn't there but it seems to be working out having the two of them and Dove being such a calming influence is working out well, although it may just be that Simone is a great writer. In fact my only possible complaint is that Lady Blackhawk doesn't get her share of the lime light but it kind of makes sense when there has to be so much communication between Canary and Oracle. 
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Edited by Secret Identity
@Babs said:

" @Silver2467 said:

" To me, to some degree or another, this issue seemed a little exploitive. But maybe that's just me.  "
I have to completely disagree. I think it was poking fun of exploitation and made Penguin look like a moron because everything that happened was in his mind, in his imagination and outside of reality. What he envisioned would never happen in continuity, and makes him look like a loser. :) "
This was one of the things about this book I sort of liked and sort of didn't. For me it was distracting trying to work out the point of it. At first I thought the fan service seemed really out of place in this book then I realised it wasn't fan service for the sake of fan service but for subtly pointing out how weird and perverse fan service is (which i liked). But even so it seemed pointless and distracting. 
 
On the whole though I totally disagree with this review. In my mind it was the worst issue so far. It seemed really nothingy. Nothing new really happened and I didn't feel like the plot had progressed much by the end of the book. Sure there are some events but it felt a little like more of the same as last issue. The art was great and so was the dialog and you are right about Gail "knowing" these characters but the plot seemed lacking to me this issue. So it wasn't bad.... but it really wasn't that good either. I am hoping for big things in the final issue though so I'll continue to pick it up.
Posted by GraphicReader

Glad to see BC doing her thing well shortly after the breakup with Oliver. But my concerns with these Birds of Prey comics. Is it degrading to the women readers or am I just sensitive? lol.
 
 
I still think the White Canary is Shiva.

Posted by jdeluca2

You guys should try to sound proff the rooms so theres not too much echo ;)
Posted by SlickyMike88

Love Ed Benes art work , I have to say that Brazillian artist are my favorittes^^

Posted by SeanRevolutionized

The comic was late arriving to a lot of retailers, including mine, because apparently there was a printing error, but I think it was well worth the wait.  It had me laughing, and angry at the same time.  And I can't wait for issue 4.
Posted by Fallen Wave

Being a huge fan of Huntress...I love and admire Gails grasp of her character! Thanks Babs!