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Posted by RedHurricane24

Well thought-out review. Kudos.

Posted by WW-Fan

thats great review :) but dint the amazons who saved her life, kinda trained her? i think it was said in 600 or 601.
Posted by NightFang

Nice review, Babs.

Posted by No_Name_

The video should work in the forums now. Sorry about that.

Posted by Joey Ravn

I'm not a WW expert by any means (actually, I started picking this series up in #600), but I'm liking JMS's run. He's taking Superman and Wonder Woman in a new direction, but not fully unfamiliar. I hope the slow pacing of the first issues pays off in the end :)

Posted by Laura Logan

I must have missed something. I thought she was talking to Aphrodite, not her mother, with the pink boxes and all. But Now its' so much more heart felt!! ♥♥

Edited by Dr. Detfink

For anyone who was alive at the time or gotten the chance to read George Perez's Ionic Wonder Woman run, will HATE this incarnation of Wonder Woman. 
 
This isn't WW, it's XENA Warrior Princess. Seems like ever since the whole WW/Batman romance thing that there is this belief that WW has to be a cold blooded killing machine that will lay vengeance as a portrait to what a strong female character is. If you think so, I'm sorry you feel that way cause its more of what a MAN would do. 
 
The big hole in issue #602 is withithout um, maybe getting a prisoner the reader gets ZERO clues as to what the hell is going on?  
 
Again, if you didn't collect WW in your life, this is as entertaining as it gets...but if you know a lot about her character from the 80s this is something you're not going to dig. 
 
Last note, y'know all that talk about WW's costume and yet, we have WW in tight Black leather pants and a choker. Isn't that just substituting one fetish for another? As for the Red, White, and Blue...read Perez's Wonder Woman, the costume colors were not to be confused with Reagen era politics. It was in honor of Steve Trevor that she wore those colors. Hence, Wonder Woman became an ambassador of peace and compassion...
 
You know what...ignore that entire post, and just post with every one else. Good Review. Great for sales. 
 
[/soapbox]

Posted by Secret Identity
@Laura Logan said:
" I must have missed something. I thought she was talking to Aphrodite, not her mother, with the pink boxes and all. But Now its' so much more heart felt!! ♥♥ "
This is what I thought as well. I thought the whole point was she was talking to the gods. However, all the imagery of her mother around does make you wonder (no pun intended). What I really liked about this issue was her taking off her jacket. Those arm strap things, whilst utterly pointless, looked really cool and gave me the whole Warrior Princess vibe again. That said, This issue proves that whilst technically not showing as much flesh it's still a provocative, outfit. There is a lot of predominant boob in the art, lots of cleavage and they look to be about Power Girl sized in some shots..... Still besides that the costume, sans jacket is really good and the issue itself was deserving of a 4 out of 5 rating that you gave it. It leaves a lot unanswered but it's early days in this new arc and it's nice to have a bit of mystery to keep it interesting. If we knew all the reasons it would just be going through the motions :) 
 
Another fine review. :)
Posted by No_Name_
@Dr. Detfink said:
" For anyone who was alive at the time or gotten the chance to read George Perez's Ionic Wonder Woman run, will HATE this incarnation of Wonder Woman.   This isn't WW, it's XENA Warrior Princess. Seems like ever since the whole WW/Batman romance thing that there is this belief that WW has to be a cold blooded killing machine that will lay vengeance as a portrait to what a strong female character is. If you think so, I'm sorry you feel that way cause its more of what a MAN would do.   The big hole in issue #602 is withithout um, maybe getting a prisoner the reader gets ZERO clues as to what the hell is going on?    Again, if you didn't collect WW in your life, this is as entertaining as it gets...but if you know a lot about her character from the 80s this is something you're not going to dig.    Last note, y'know all that talk about WW's costume and yet, we have WW in tight Black leather pants and a choker. Isn't that just substituting one fetish for another? As for the Red, White, and Blue...read Perez's Wonder Woman, the costume colors were not to be confused with Reagen era politics. It was in honor of Steve Trevor that she wore those colors. Hence, Wonder Woman became an ambassador of peace and compassion...  You know what...ignore that entire post, and just post with every one else. Good Review. Great for sales.   [/soapbox] "
As a stand alone issue this wasn't bad...It was considerably better than the last two parts. 
 
You're right, this isn't the Wonder Woman we grew up with and it seems that JMS can't write a WW story without feeling constrained by her history and back story (so got rid of it) but I reviewed regardless. It wasn't fantastic, but I was entertained and certain characteristics of hers surfaced that I found to be interesting- namely her relationship with Hippolyta. How long can I go on complaining about how this isn't the character and costume I grew up loving and simply read the story and give it a chance. It could have been much worse.
Edited by Dr. Detfink
@Babs:  Oh I completely empathize with your situation. 
 
Back in 1800s, I was the college kid that didn't go with his friends to go partying in strip joints because it would ruin my ability to spend an obnoxious amount of money on comic books (and still do to this day). So yea, just because JMS is just doing his own thing and disregarding the writers before him it's not enough to make me drop the book.
 
However, I hope you won't stop calling him out on some plot lines that just simply don't work well. I LOVED your rant on the Podcast where you made the exact same point that I have always felt about Superman: Grounded. Don't become like some comic book review sites that give writers a free pass just because it gets them hits and better relationships with the writers. That's what the movie journalism world has become to a large degree.  
Posted by afierce

Thanks for the review Babs! I think I'm going to start picking this up from #600. I've always wanted to read Wonder Woman but just didn't know where to start. Since I didn't grow up with her, this seems like a good place, right?
 
Although I can see why this would not be good for fans of her character prior. I feel the same way about Spider-Man. The Spidey in today's comics is just not the character I grew up with.

Posted by No_Name_
@afierce said:
" Thanks for the review Babs! I think I'm going to start picking this up from #600. I've always wanted to read Wonder Woman but just didn't know where to start. Since I didn't grow up with her, this seems like a good place, right? Although I can see why this would not be good for fans of her character prior. I feel the same way about Spider-Man. The Spidey in today's comics is just not the character I grew up with. "
I wouldn't recommend this as a place to start for a new reader unless you really don't care whether the author digresses from the original character. There are various other Wonder Woman trades that I would recommend instead of this.
Posted by difficlus

Some people question how Diana knows how to use her bracelets and fight so well but... If you have being trained you're entire life, your battle instincts will take over when you're in danger. like cops, where there in firefights they don't run around  screaming like a normal person, despite the danger of the situation they training overrides their natural instincts of "get away as fast as you can". This reminds me of a scene in the Bourne Identity, Jason is being questioned by two cops and one of them pulls a baton and wants to hit him, he doesn't get all scared he quickly takes them down using some surprising skill and looks at his hands wondering how he had done that. Its because of his training which takes control in combat situations.

Posted by mikeisonfire

Little typo at the end there. It's #602 not #603 :P

Posted by B'Town
@difficlus said:
"Some people question how Diana knows how to use her bracelets and fight so well but... If you have being trained you're entire life, your battle instincts will take over when you're in danger. like cops, where there in firefights they don't run around  screaming like a normal person, despite the danger of the situation they training overrides their natural instincts of "get away as fast as you can". This reminds me of a scene in the Bourne Identity, Jason is being questioned by two cops and one of them pulls a baton and wants to hit him, he doesn't get all scared he quickly takes them down using some surprising skill and looks at his hands wondering how he had done that. Its because of his training which takes control in combat situations. "

I simply love your B.I. example here, I remember that moment in the film, you are so right. 
 
As for this new Wonder Woman run I am having difficulty, this isn't the Wonder Woman I grew up with either and it is hard to bite my lip an just take it.  But, I truly love WW, so I am not going to walk away, I'll bear with the retooling and try to find the good in it.   My hope is they really will return the real Wonder Woman to us, one day.
Posted by KaityFreeman

i love wonder woman! I am also happy that women heros are comming back into comics, like in moonstone's domino lady 
http://moonstonebooks.com/shop/category.aspx?catid=28 or Radical's new Mata Hari 
http://www.radicalpublishing.com/titles/comics/matahari?series_id=24&issue_id=126 .

Posted by Bombay Gangster
@Dr. Detfink:  
Ok its time a lot of people need to understand this 
Comics are timeless which means if a character needs to change their wardrobe for the sake of its comic it must be done. 
Yes, I definitely get that this new author isn't as great as the authors before him but cmon, just imagine the pressure he's going through trying to please old fans of wonder woman and at the same time please new comers to wonderwoman, I mean this isn't just some character with 5-10 issues like Kick Ass, shes a goddamn legacy of comics. 
She symbolised a lot in her day of comics(woman) and the costume she has worn has definitely suited the weight she held in america but a lot has changed since then and if a new comer saw wonder woman with her original costume chances are they'll think shes som stupid cheesy patriot but with this new costume she is showing she is much more than tht to modern viewers and now this costume kinda symbolises the new type of woman which definitely didn't have all the uptight morals woman had in the 50s and stuff. 
Oh and to the peeps wholl take this as sexism cuz I knw there will be sum, it isn't cuz I merely saying that woman are now shown much powerfully since they been given rights and I personally think now they are more respected in our society
Edited by CylonDorado

That was Hippolyta? I thaught it was the godess of that temple. Oh well, lol.
 
And I think it's pretty obvious why she wants to save her people (she was a little kid when she left the island, but she looked old enough to have memories of her people ,and would like them?). And I don't see how it wasn't tied into the first one (she was right outside the temple at the end of the last one) But she's right, one of the best parts of Gail Simmone's stuff was the internal monologue. It showed how strategic she was, and what was going through her head on an emotional level. .
Posted by Dr. Detfink
@Bombay Gangster:  I understand what you're saying but at the same time, Gail Simone just wrote Wonder Woman why didn't she have an issue with her costume? Amanda Conner drew Power Girl. How come she didn't have an issue with how she looked? Nicola Scott (Secret Six) never had a problem with the way women are depicted on comics. So if the very women in the industry never had a problem when did ALLUSUDDEN did WW's costume make every one butt hurt?
 
How about it's a poor attempt to boost sales with a HALF-hearted attempt to say, "OH this is for the honor of the ladies..."  because let's face it TIGHT leather pants and a choker might not be as revealing but is just as much a fetish...
 
Again, this isn't Wonder Woman it's Xena Warrior Princess 2010..and it's too bad young collectors are too LAZY to buy back issues such a George Perez's take because WW was written smarter without a $2.99 per issue price tag with less skilled art.
Posted by Hamz

The new costume minus the jacket is more preferable to the new costume with the jacket. Surprising what a difference removing the jacket made on the outfit. 

Posted by kitsuneconundrum

wonder woman got hurt by a bullet?

Posted by DMC

Hypolita? I thought she was talking to Aphrodite. It is her temple after all. And it would explain the pink.

Posted by caesarsghost

I am a fan of this new WW. I think it was high-time she got an update.

Posted by blackcanaryguy

Nice review! That said, it's definitely Aphrodite she's talking to, not her mother. The conversation clearly signals WW's frustration with the apparent abandonment of the Amazon's by the gods ("So you're saying you're just like every other god..."). The rancor really wouldn't make sense if she was speaking to Hippolyta.

Posted by GraphicCasualFreak
@blackcanaryguy said:
" Nice review! That said, it's definitely Aphrodite she's talking to, not her mother. The conversation clearly signals WW's frustration with the apparent abandonment of the Amazon's by the gods ("So you're saying you're just like every other god..."). The rancor really wouldn't make sense if she was speaking to Hippolyta. "
This is how I understood it as well and Babs most of the answers your looking for are either in issue 601 or 602, just read some of the dialog more carefully.  She has a drive to save the Amazons, for instance, because they are her people.  Much like some one would want to save their family or their extended family.  I'm not picking here, but this issue deserved more than a 2 min review. I don't want to come off snippy but I think this story is far more dramatic and complex than you are making it out to be.
Posted by Eyz

I still find this costume (jacket or not) better suited to Donna Troy than Diana :/
 
Nice review babs!

Edited by dadarkknight36310
@Dr. Detfink: Nope the red, white ,and blue from the costume was not in honor of Steve Traver but in honor of a female pilot that crashed landed on their island years ago. It was said by Hippoyalta that the female pilot helped them fight off some creature on their island and died in the process. In honor of her they designed the costume or armor from the patch on her uniform, which happened to be an american flag. She told Diana all of this after Diana earned the right to excort Steve Traver back to America. I think that how it went from what I can remember from reading the George Perez trade a while back lol
Posted by dadarkknight36310
@blackcanaryguy: That was Aphrodite she was talking to. If not her it was one of the other Greek gods. It was made known through that entire conversation she was having with the head. For example when she was talking about how it was the gods' wind that help guide the amazons to where they need to be and such. I believe that the whole talking to the head thing reminded Babs of the Lion King because she thought she was talking to her mother. It reminder me more of Clash of the Titans, Jason and the Argonats(sp), God of War and most other Greek movies/games where the greek gods speak to people by using statues lol
Posted by Batcrow

I've been waiting for this review!

Edited by Dr. Detfink
@dadarkknight36310:  That woman turns out to be Steve-O's mom...and becomes one of the reasons why Diana bothers to continue wearing the costume. Cause in the Perez reboot, Steve Trevor not a love interest...lest my 36 year old brain is failing me. It's been a good 20+ years since I read it so my memory is hazy.
 
But now that you do mention it, it might be time to unbag those sealed away issues and re-read/enjoy them all again in light of JMS' Xena-zation of WW.
 
You're right. I did confuse the original where WW fought the nazis with Stevie and wore the costume in honor of him, while I think Perez was able to curve that iconography into something more interesting and less to do with the love interest.
Posted by dadarkknight36310

As far as the costume goes, I have no issues with it. I do like the old one better since it more iconic(so I hope she do go back to her old one). My only grip about the new one is it seems less iconic and more street wear. It does not look like a costume, especially standing next to Superman and Batman. Being a DC fan I always felt that the DC heroes were more of the iconic Super-heroes and the fake cities they inhabit almost like a comic version of greek gods of Olympus. Superman being Zeus(not personality wise because Zeus did some unjust things but standing wise), Wonder Woman (being a mixture of Athena and Aphrodite.) I forgot who I compared Batman too. Thats why I do not think there costume need to look like regular outfits that normal people would wear like how marvel characters costumes are lol

Posted by MrGutts

Someone explain this whole thing with new 600 to 602 WW.  Is this a whole new reboot/retconned for WW or what?

Posted by CylonDorado
@MrGutts:
Nobody knows...
Posted by No_Name_
@MrGutts said:
" Someone explain this whole thing with new 600 to 602 WW.  Is this a whole new reboot/retconned for WW or what? "
That's what it reads like, yes.
Posted by Vance Astro

Nice review, Babs :)

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Posted by MrGutts

Thanks Babs,
 
Guess I will just order them and see for myself now.

Posted by DMC
@Dr. Detfink said:
" For anyone who was alive at the time or gotten the chance to read George Perez's Ionic Wonder Woman run, will HATE this incarnation of Wonder Woman.   This isn't WW
No kidding. Just in case you missed it. I think you should read the back of Wonder Woman #600.
Posted by Silver2467

As others have said, this is not the traditional Wonder Woman, who I personally, as a Wonder Woman fan, prefer, but honestly, as long as this change is not permanent, I will not complain. I think the story overall is somewhat odd and seems to be lacking direction, to some extent, but it would be interesting to see where things go. I just hope that Diana does not end up a merciless, war machine. She is aggressive in combat, always has been, but that is not what I appreciate her for. Going beyond that is unnecessary. Although again, I am not going to rant about this. I will leave it alone. If it does come out to be permanent, then I will take issue with this, but otherwise, I will simply follow where this is going.

Posted by ComiCCloseup

WW covers are always so lame and boring
Posted by vicsrealms

So, thats where JMS has been.  ~sigh~  Bring us more Babylon 5!!!

Posted by Grimoire
@Babs said:
" @afierce said:
" Thanks for the review Babs! I think I'm going to start picking this up from #600. I've always wanted to read Wonder Woman but just didn't know where to start. Since I didn't grow up with her, this seems like a good place, right? Although I can see why this would not be good for fans of her character prior. I feel the same way about Spider-Man. The Spidey in today's comics is just not the character I grew up with. "
I wouldn't recommend this as a place to start for a new reader unless you really don't care whether the author digresses from the original character. There are various other Wonder Woman trades that I would recommend instead of this. "
Actually I'm on the same boat by starting from there for WW but I have also read a few trades like Eyes of the Gorgon and my personal favorite so far JLA - A League of One which showcased very well just how much she values her friends which I find is one of her main features. I didn't like WW - The Hiketeia very much since I don't think the writer knows the Batman character very well IMO. lol
Posted by No_Name_
@Grimoire:  Gorgon and Hiketeia are both Rucka
Edited by Grimoire
@Babs said:

" @Grimoire:  Gorgon and Hiketeia are both Rucka "

Yep he did but in that one story Batman seemed off to me that is. Like most people I can't say I like something because a certain person wrote it even though I may look for certain stories based on the writer. lol
Posted by sora_thekey

Wow... i should get 601 and this issue then since the story is starting to get better!

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Edited by WDW

  That was definitely NOT Hippolyta whom Diana was talking to in the temple it was a GOD Most likely Aphrodite. Not sure where Babs got the idea that she was talking to her mother.

Posted by MrDirector786

Good review. I'll be sure to get this issue.

Posted by Mr. Kamikaze

I liked this issue, as opposed to 601 and the prologue in 600. Honestly though, I wanted to remain unbiased and refrain from commenting on her new look and 'direction' until I was all caught up, and have just recently finished 602 (all caught up finally).  While I liked this issue on its own...overall, I'm really not digging this new Wonder Woman. 
 
I like the more compassionate and mature Wonder Woman...you know, the one in star-spangled underwear. And, I have no idea what is even going on...why can't she fly? Is this even the same Wonder Woman? I am so confused right now with this series...bunch of plot holes I hope get filled in soon... 
 
Boy I can't wait till Wonder Woman returns to normal -.-

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