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@Ashra said:

" Wow . . . I dislike her more after that 3 minutes.  "


Not that this is a bad video, but I actually sort of get what you mean here. If a person who sort of doesn't like Emma, watches this video, its not going to change their mind at all, since it doesn't really focus on why and how the character has potential or highlight any of the nice/positive aspects of her. It really does sort of paint her as someone who reacts to life rather pettily and for her own self interests and does so (and excuses) because she happened to have a difficult upbringing. Uhm, hello, like everyone has a tough childhood lol 

(again, not that the video was bad,and its not exactly intended to be a why you should like Emma video, I am not sure G-Man does) 
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"Fair enough we all have our characters we don't like. I personally hate Namor for being one of the number 1 D-bags in comics. "
Very true. 

* wipes sweat from brow *


Thought you were gonna go in on me about Emma.  ;)  I appreciate the diplomatic approach. 
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@SC: Yeah, I know what you mean.  I love the 3 Min vids, but yeah, you're right that it doesn't show her in that great a light. 
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@Ashra said:
" @god_spawn said:
"Fair enough we all have our characters we don't like. I personally hate Namor for being one of the number 1 D-bags in comics. "
Very true. 

* wipes sweat from brow *
Thought you were gonna go in on me about Emma.  ;)  I appreciate the diplomatic approach.  "
No worries, at first i thought you were just gonna vent like some other users and nerd rage out.  You voiced your opinion on the character about disliking but gave her her due by saying she was interesting but just a character you didnt like or get behind. You didn't flat out just shoot down the character. She's my second fave characters and alot of people who hate her just flat out are ignorant and post as such. You did it in a respectable way so i commend you for it.
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@Ashra: Its sort of ho hum... Emma had cold parents... she cheated at school, because other girls were mean to her... erm, nothing like cheating at exams and school to show people how hard a worker and patient you are. Looking into the minds of people without permission? Check. Putting a good teacher out of a job and potentially in jail? Check. Blackmailing people as revenge? Check... lol 

I am going to have to make a blog later explaining why I like the character now just to get over it lol >__>
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You did it in a respectable way so i commend you for it.
* preens like a cat *

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LOL.  Good way to work through your frustration ;)
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@pixelized: Is the Emma mini you linked the series that provides the artwork of her as a schoolgirl in the beginning of the 3-minute expert?
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Nice work.

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WOW G-Man, the production value on these just keeps hitting new heights. Much props to you guys.

I wish I could get my comics presented like this as I read them :)

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Awesome (:  

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very VERY nicely done! Good video :)

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I LOOOOOVEEE ME SOME 3MINEXPERT :D

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@tonis said:

WOW G-Man, the production value on these just keeps hitting new heights. Much props to you guys.

I wish I could get my comics presented like this as I read them :)

This one is actually from last year, just re-featured ;)

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Great video guys! Keep up the hard work!

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Can you do a 3-Minute Expert on Shocker next? 

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Emma Frost is a bitch. Done. One second expert.

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what made her change her hair color to blonde
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Emma Frost is a bitch. Done. One second expert.
nuff Said
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@sladewilson30: It was probably the hair dye.

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Emma Frost may be a bitch, but she's made Cyclops less of one and kind of a badass. So can we all start kissing her feet for managing that? I don't think Cyke would've become the leader he is were it not for Emma.
 
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Such a shame the film portrayal was so pitiful . Get her face off the front page .

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Love this. The 3 min. expert is one of the most enjoyable videos to watch. More please. How do you guys/gal at comicvine decide which character to focus on? It would be cool if you took request....

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@pixelized said:
@.Mistress Redhead. said:
" LMAO @ dark roots   that was truly awesome Gman I had no idea about Emmas roots!! I need to read up on her big time, can anyone suggest comics? older ones preferred I have read most of her stuff in the new xmen "
Her Emma Frost mini, written by Karl Bollers was Fantastic. It chronicles her life before becoming the White Queen.
I had a few issues - I actually wasn't a fan of it. I guess I liked the simplicity of the idea that she grew up with money, inherited a ton of wealth but still grew into a savvy business woman in her own right. It seems to me that sometimes, the more complicated you make a characters' back story, the less enjoyable they become. 
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Emma Frost may be a bitch, but she's made Cyclops less of one and kind of a badass. So can we all start kissing her feet for managing that? I don't think Cyke would've become the leader he is were it not for Emma.  -The Mast
AGREED!!! and I dont even necessarily think he'll stay with her if/when Jean comes back (although I think he should stay with Emma) but she has DEFINITELY made changes in him that Jean would never have been able to bring out
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@Gold Dust Boi: He's already stated quite  a times, he would pick Emma over Jean.
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@stepford said:
Such a shame the film portrayal was so pitiful .
Agree.
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@Gold Dust Boi: He's already stated quite  a times, he would pick Emma over Jean.
Well its real easy to say it while Jean's dead and gone but don't be shocked if hes blinded by all that Fiery Phoenix-y glory through his red shades when she rises!
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@Gold Dust Boi said:

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@Gold Dust Boi: He's already stated quite  a times, he would pick Emma over Jean.

Well its real easy to say it while Jean's dead and gone but don't be shocked if hes blinded by all that Fiery Phoenix-y glory through his red shades when she rises!
I would be shocked quite frankly. The whole Scott and Jean thing should be done, when she passed Scott moved on, and Emma did more for his character development than Jean ever did which i do agree on, however easy it is to say something, to continuously write something that supports the quotes over time is harder. Not once have we really seen Cyclops in recent years think back and wished Jean was alive so he can leave Emma for, he's simply moved on i believe he even chose Emma over Jean in Phoenix Endsong. The fact the couple right now is one of Marvel's top cash cows and leaders of one of the biggest Marvel franchises would say otherwise. It's simple he's already picked her over Jean while she moved onto bigger things ...sort of. When she does come back, i doubt they will screw up what is working and let Jean move on to Wolverine or something, he's had more woman over the past years than Tony Stark, maybe its time he settles abit atleast we know there is a foundation there and i wouldnt be surprised if that's how it ends up.
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@stepford said:
Such a shame the film portrayal was so pitiful .
Agree.

I didn't mind it. I think that January did a great job with the material she was given.

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@The Dark Huntress: What does that even mean? With all due respect, it was a dirt poor adaptation of one of Marvel's best females. Any way you slice it. She was reduced to a glorified stripper. Emma's outfits have always been risque, but in the movie she actually looked cheap.
 
Cheap is one thing Emma Frost is not. Lest we forget the classic line, "Darling, these are expensive Kiki de Montparnasse cashmere stockings. I will only kneel in them if absolutely necessary." Emma Frost in this movie, save for the white catsuit (Which was delicious, but not very Emma), was just the Victoria's Secret Miraculous Bra and some thigh high boots. That's not Emma Frost.
 
Also, why did her bra change to diamond? I never understood that.
 
Aesthetic curiosities aside, the reason she suffered is because she was in this movie to be eye-candy and because they insisted in The Hellfire Club. As someone pointed out, on this site I believe, you can clearly see they were originally planning to have Mr. Sinister as the bad guy, judging by Shaw's history in genetics. 
 
Regarding the Jean/Emma debate, if she returns and Cyclops reverts back to his "FIGHT IT JEAN!" whinefest, it will undo everything he has become. I see absolutely no justifiable reason for it. He has grown beyond that. Possibly because she IS gone, and a return would obviously tug at his heart strings, but I would hate to see him ditch Emma over it.
 
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@The Mast:  I sort of understand I think what DH means. Cheap is subjective, i think a lot of what Emma has worn in comics could be labeled and identified as cheap, but the point is looking cheap and being cheap isn't the same thing. By the same token, how was she a glorified stripper? Which scenes did she strip off? Emma has always been about subverting the superficial, the more modernized Emma is more about high fashion, but the older Emma was more about deception, because of status. Current heroic Emma straight up dresses for herself probably like the movie version would as well if not for the fact she was still in the process of building her security/status to allow for independence.  
 
Emma would have made her way to the movies eventually and eye candy is relative to. Magneto and Xavier are eye candy. Mystique was subverted a bit in that sense too. Anyway, they could have gone for a younger, more nubile Emma, so I am not convinced thats actually that big a reason she was included (or suffered). Her role was pretty grey and I find pretty close to how she used to be, with some hints to her modern characterization. 
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@The Mast:  I sort of understand I think what DH means. Cheap is subjective, i think a lot of what Emma has worn in comics could be labeled and identified as cheap, but the point is looking cheap and being cheap isn't the same thing. By the same token, how was she a glorified stripper? Which scenes did she strip off? Emma has always been about subverting the superficial, the more modernized Emma is more about high fashion, but the older Emma was more about deception, because of status. Current heroic Emma straight up dresses for herself probably like the movie version would as well if not for the fact she was still in the process of building her security/status to allow for independence.   Emma would have made her way to the movies eventually and eye candy is relative to. Magneto and Xavier are eye candy. Mystique was subverted a bit in that sense too. Anyway, they could have gone for a younger, more nubile Emma, so I am not convinced thats actually that big a reason she was included (or suffered). Her role was pretty grey and I find pretty close to how she used to be, with some hints to her modern characterization. 
Even Jim Lee's Emma Frost (I think it was his) didn't look as thrown-together and cheap as January Jones did. When she had the bobbed hair (I guess that's what it's called), the corset and the thigh-high boots she looked risque, but she looked elegant. She looked classy. In this, she simply looks as if someone told her to keep her boobs on show lest she has to do something base and beneath her.
 
The way she allowed Shaw to speak to her was ridiculous, and it reduced her to nothing more than eye-candy. She was never that, even in the comics. She WAS eye-candy, but not JUST eye-candy. I don't really recall Emma's foray into The Hellfire Club containing her being portrayed as someone's lackey. Not predominantly.
 
Anyone with a competent grasp of the woman's character would never suggest this adaptation was anything other than travesty. No offense to you, but there comes a time where there is objective canon for how she is portrayed, and that wasn't adhered to. It doesn't matter whether you liked it or not. Some people liked From Hell with Johnny Depp, but it is inarguably a crass and poor adaptation.
 
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@The Mast:  I sort of understand I think what DH means. Cheap is subjective, i think a lot of what Emma has worn in comics could be labeled and identified as cheap, but the point is looking cheap and being cheap isn't the same thing. By the same token, how was she a glorified stripper? Which scenes did she strip off? Emma has always been about subverting the superficial, the more modernized Emma is more about high fashion, but the older Emma was more about deception, because of status. Current heroic Emma straight up dresses for herself probably like the movie version would as well if not for the fact she was still in the process of building her security/status to allow for independence.   Emma would have made her way to the movies eventually and eye candy is relative to. Magneto and Xavier are eye candy. Mystique was subverted a bit in that sense too. Anyway, they could have gone for a younger, more nubile Emma, so I am not convinced thats actually that big a reason she was included (or suffered). Her role was pretty grey and I find pretty close to how she used to be, with some hints to her modern characterization. 
Even Jim Lee's Emma Frost (I think it was his) didn't look as thrown-together and cheap as January Jones did. When she had the bobbed hair (I guess that's what it's called), the corset and the thigh-high boots she looked risque, but she looked elegant. She looked classy. In this, she simply looks as if someone told her to keep her boobs on show lest she has to do something base and beneath her.  The way she allowed Shaw to speak to her was ridiculous, and it reduced her to nothing more than eye-candy. She was never that, even in the comics. She WAS eye-candy, but not JUST eye-candy. I don't really recall Emma's foray into The Hellfire Club containing her being portrayed as someone's lackey. Not predominantly.  Anyone with a competent grasp of the woman's character would never suggest this adaptation was anything other than travesty. No offense to you, but there comes a time where there is objective canon for how she is portrayed, and that wasn't adhered to. It doesn't matter whether you liked it or not. Some people liked From Hell with Johnny Depp, but it is inarguably a crass and poor adaptation.  -The Mast
 
Erm, Emma has been around a lot longer than before Jim Lee started drawing her. She was intended to wear stock standard lingerie, not because she wore it for her comfort, but because of the perception it gave and how she knew because of her telepathy the effect it had on men. The cheaper the better in that sense, because it was a way she controlled men. So again, cheapness is relative and subjective as is elegance, are you projection your interpretation of those things as the objective truth? Not to mention this was a different time. Anyone in Emma's position at that time, looked cheap by definition. Are you implying that her work clothes should match the elegance of her casual wear?  
 
Uhm, in the comics Emma has allowed Shaw to physically abuse her more than verbally demean her, Emma can be extremely patience if its in her best interest. So you assertion? I find it odd? Are you just talking about Emma in the last 4 years or something?  
 
So if you don't recall it it didn't happen?  
 
So now your claim is that if people disagree with you, they can't grasp the character or do so incompetently? What sort of argument is that or behavior is that?  
 
How about this? Anyone that disagrees with me, kills puppies in the weekends and then wear there bones as jewelry? Ah... now I don't have to worry about actually clarifying my opinions and the differences others can have with their opinions. They either agree with me and aren't puppy killers or they disagree with me and are.  
 
No offense taken, but you seem quite defensive and thus offended that your opinion isn't considered an objective fact, so I apologize if you are, and apologize if you aren't but annoyed at the implication by me that you are. Its not about whether I liked it or not, its about understanding why people have opinions and being okay if their opinions differ to yours without resorting to claiming they can't grasp a character's characterization. Then actually have those people express and clarify the why and how as opposed to their being some almighty godlike objective factual reason why something is as someone claims. Especially if they use subjective arguments and reasoning. 
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Personally I still found her role rather complex and far more than eye candy. She wasn't the character I grew to love when she was put into Generation X, or developed along into Morrison's run, with was a haracter completely independent and in charge of her own stock, but I also knew that she didn't just start off in that position. She had to put up with a lot of crap in her earlier life. Watching Emma in First Class was nice in thw sense I get to see her going though all the crap and its like knowing that one day she is going to be more like the current comics continuity Emma. Little hints as well when she used her telepathy to fool that General, and then rolled her eyes at him. hey could have easily just had her act that out for real. Her stubbornness with Magneto and Xavier, and how she switched allegiances so fast.  
 
Oh... but if you disagree with me, you can't grasp or understand the character. Aha... 

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@The Mast:  I sort of understand I think what DH means. Cheap is subjective, i think a lot of what Emma has worn in comics could be labeled and identified as cheap, but the point is looking cheap and being cheap isn't the same thing. By the same token, how was she a glorified stripper? Which scenes did she strip off? Emma has always been about subverting the superficial, the more modernized Emma is more about high fashion, but the older Emma was more about deception, because of status. Current heroic Emma straight up dresses for herself probably like the movie version would as well if not for the fact she was still in the process of building her security/status to allow for independence.   Emma would have made her way to the movies eventually and eye candy is relative to. Magneto and Xavier are eye candy. Mystique was subverted a bit in that sense too. Anyway, they could have gone for a younger, more nubile Emma, so I am not convinced thats actually that big a reason she was included (or suffered). Her role was pretty grey and I find pretty close to how she used to be, with some hints to her modern characterization. 
Even Jim Lee's Emma Frost (I think it was his) didn't look as thrown-together and cheap as January Jones did. When she had the bobbed hair (I guess that's what it's called), the corset and the thigh-high boots she looked risque, but she looked elegant. She looked classy. In this, she simply looks as if someone told her to keep her boobs on show lest she has to do something base and beneath her.  The way she allowed Shaw to speak to her was ridiculous, and it reduced her to nothing more than eye-candy. She was never that, even in the comics. She WAS eye-candy, but not JUST eye-candy. I don't really recall Emma's foray into The Hellfire Club containing her being portrayed as someone's lackey. Not predominantly.  Anyone with a competent grasp of the woman's character would never suggest this adaptation was anything other than travesty. No offense to you, but there comes a time where there is objective canon for how she is portrayed, and that wasn't adhered to. It doesn't matter whether you liked it or not. Some people liked From Hell with Johnny Depp, but it is inarguably a crass and poor adaptation.  -The Mast
 Erm, Emma has been around a lot longer than before Jim Lee started drawing her. She was intended to wear stock standard lingerie, not because she wore it for her comfort, but because of the perception it gave and how she knew because of her telepathy the effect it had on men. The cheaper the better in that sense, because it was a way she controlled men. So again, cheapness is relative and subjective as is elegance, are you projection your interpretation of those things as the objective truth? Not to mention this was a different time. Anyone in Emma's position at that time, looked cheap by definition. Are you implying that her work clothes should match the elegance of her casual wear?   Uhm, in the comics Emma has allowed Shaw to physically abuse her more than verbally demean her, Emma can be extremely patience if its in her best interest. So you assertion? I find it odd? Are you just talking about Emma in the last 4 years or something?   So if you don't recall it it didn't happen?   So now your claim is that if people disagree with you, they can't grasp the character or do so incompetently? What sort of argument is that or behavior is that?   How about this? Anyone that disagrees with me, kills puppies in the weekends and then wear there bones as jewelry? Ah... now I don't have to worry about actually clarifying my opinions and the differences others can have with their opinions. They either agree with me and aren't puppy killers or they disagree with me and are.   No offense taken, but you seem quite defensive and thus offended that your opinion isn't considered an objective fact, so I apologize if you are, and apologize if you aren't but annoyed at the implication by me that you are. Its not about whether I liked it or not, its about understanding why people have opinions and being okay if their opinions differ to yours without resorting to claiming they can't grasp a character's characterization. Then actually have those people express and clarify the why and how as opposed to their being some almighty godlike objective factual reason why something is as someone claims. Especially if they use subjective arguments and reasoning. 
I know Jim Lee didn't draw her first. I was using him as an example because he draws EVERYBODY attractive. I have Emma Frost's first appearance, I know he didn't draw her first.
 
From what I recall (The comic is in box, can't be bothered to reach it), didn't she wear the fur-lined cape, corset and long boots in her first appearance? That is sexual without being cheap. She never looked cheap. She used her outfits to manipulate men, but there's a line between looking sexy and looking cheap. The outfit she wore conveyed seduction and independence. She wasn't walking around with her breasts so visible, she wasn't doing any of that. She was just wearing a revealing OUTFIT. Point is, in the movie it didn't even look like an outfit. It looked like a bra and a skirt.
 
Regarding the Shaw/Frost dynamic, it's not what she's known for. It's not her most prominent asset. She has allowed that to happen, but it isn't predominant, as I said. She's not that kind of character. Besides, I'm not explicitly discussing the character, I'm discussing her visual depiction more than anything. The visual depiction was entirely off and so was her character. I could have accepted a slightly subservient Emma if they showed her to have a shred of her own plans that were independent of Shaw. She didn't, though. She came across as the cheaply dressed verbal punch bag of his desires.
 
Then, when Magneto came along, she was quick enough to jump back into the service of another man.
 
It's cute that you blew what I said entirely out of proportion, but that's not what I meant at all. I'm not talking nonsense, these are visible contradictions to her comic counterpart.
 
Emma Frost seemed ok with everything Shaw did, said or how he acted. There wasn't the slightest indication she had her own designs. We couldn't see, "Oh, she's letting him think she's this lackey, but she has her own ideas." At one point he told her, in no uncertain terms, to go get him ice for his drink and all she did was roll her eyes. When he was heading for defeat, she never switched sides at the most opportune moment, as would benefit her.
 
It was a ridiculous characterisation.
 
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I know Jim Lee didn't draw her first. I was using him as an example because he draws EVERYBODY attractive. I have Emma Frost's first appearance, I know he didn't draw her first.  From what I recall (The comic is in box, can't be bothered to reach it), didn't she wear the fur-lined cape, corset and long boots in her first appearance? That is sexual without being cheap. She never looked cheap. She used her outfits to manipulate men, but there's a line between looking sexy and looking cheap. The outfit she wore conveyed seduction and independence. She wasn't walking around with her breasts so visible, she wasn't doing any of that. She was just wearing a revealing OUTFIT. Point is, in the movie it didn't even look like an outfit. It looked like a bra and a skirt.  Regarding the Shaw/Frost dynamic, it's not what she's known for. It's not her most prominent asset. She has allowed that to happen, but it isn't predominant, as I said. She's not that kind of character. Besides, I'm not explicitly discussing the character, I'm discussing her visual depiction more than anything. The visual depiction was entirely off and so was her character. I could have accepted a slightly subservient Emma if they showed her to have a shred of her own plans that were independent of Shaw. She didn't, though. She came across as the cheaply dressed verbal punch bag of his desires.  Then, when Magneto came along, she was quick enough to jump back into the service of another man.  It's cute that you blew what I said entirely out of proportion, but that's not what I meant at all. I'm not talking nonsense, these are visible contradictions to her comic counterpart.  Emma Frost seemed ok with everything Shaw did, said or how he acted. There wasn't the slightest indication she had her own designs. We couldn't see, "Oh, she's letting him think she's this lackey, but she has her own ideas." At one point he told her, in no uncertain terms, to go get him ice for his drink and all she did was roll her eyes. When he was heading for defeat, she never switched sides at the most opportune moment, as would benefit her.  It was a ridiculous characterisation.  -The Mast

 
Cool. interesting example, to me she still looked cheap being drawn by Jim Lee. I am under no impression that i get to decide that its a factual declaration.  
 
I uh... I drew Emma Frosts first appearance? How is that for one upsmanship? lol  
 
I think you misunderstand my point. I understand you think she didn't look cheap in the comic, but did in the movie, I am just clarifying to you about how others don't feel the same way, because stuff like that is subjective.  
 
i would have loved if they had Emma on the side being more manipulative and if they emphasized her motivation and actions as being down to being more self-serving, that would have been great. Instead I just projected that, but I can also understand why they may not have had the time to put that in as a subplot. Emma really only was a supporting character. The way I felt they played the character thpough doesn't mean I can't consider that she wasn't as i project.  
 
So again, I didn't see her as you do, and she was just using Shaw as a means to her own end.  
 
I am cute? Why thanks. Oh no problem, I like pointing out when people you know, make such easy to make fun of statements. Its like when you phrase your criticism with "these are visible contradictions to her comic counterpart" and as earlier discussed when you spoke of Emma's willingness to be spoken down to, as never happening in the comics? When as pointed out she has, and even suffered physical abuse? So why do you exaggerate as so? I don't need there to be express, emphatic, definitive proof that Emma wasn't just a lackey. Its the same as in the comics, (with some fans questioning whether she is good or evil, selfish or selfless) I like Emma, for that ambiguity. So if anything thats just a plus for me with the characters portrayal that some movie goers will see her as you do, where as many like myself and Dark Huntress who are huge, huge Emma fans, think the role was okay, and by us thinking it was okay, if someone claims we can't competently grasp the character by the basis of us actually not thinking it was a travesty we have more than enough reason and evidence to support why, as given.  
 
So again, I am more than fine if you think its ridiculous characterization, and after speaking to you, i can see how you think that. I don't, and I feel my answers are sufficient as to why. I can also again, understand how other Emma Frosts fans, like the person you quoted find what the actress did pretty good as well. Could we wish for more? Sure. I hope there is  First Class sequel that has a more modernized, Morrison, Ellis, Whedon, Carey Emma, than First Class Emma. 
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I know Jim Lee didn't draw her first. I was using him as an example because he draws EVERYBODY attractive. I have Emma Frost's first appearance, I know he didn't draw her first.  From what I recall (The comic is in box, can't be bothered to reach it), didn't she wear the fur-lined cape, corset and long boots in her first appearance? That is sexual without being cheap. She never looked cheap. She used her outfits to manipulate men, but there's a line between looking sexy and looking cheap. The outfit she wore conveyed seduction and independence. She wasn't walking around with her breasts so visible, she wasn't doing any of that. She was just wearing a revealing OUTFIT. Point is, in the movie it didn't even look like an outfit. It looked like a bra and a skirt.  Regarding the Shaw/Frost dynamic, it's not what she's known for. It's not her most prominent asset. She has allowed that to happen, but it isn't predominant, as I said. She's not that kind of character. Besides, I'm not explicitly discussing the character, I'm discussing her visual depiction more than anything. The visual depiction was entirely off and so was her character. I could have accepted a slightly subservient Emma if they showed her to have a shred of her own plans that were independent of Shaw. She didn't, though. She came across as the cheaply dressed verbal punch bag of his desires.  Then, when Magneto came along, she was quick enough to jump back into the service of another man.  It's cute that you blew what I said entirely out of proportion, but that's not what I meant at all. I'm not talking nonsense, these are visible contradictions to her comic counterpart.  Emma Frost seemed ok with everything Shaw did, said or how he acted. There wasn't the slightest indication she had her own designs. We couldn't see, "Oh, she's letting him think she's this lackey, but she has her own ideas." At one point he told her, in no uncertain terms, to go get him ice for his drink and all she did was roll her eyes. When he was heading for defeat, she never switched sides at the most opportune moment, as would benefit her.  It was a ridiculous characterisation.  -The Mast

 Cool. interesting example, to me she still looked cheap being drawn by Jim Lee. I am under no impression that i get to decide that its a factual declaration.   I uh... I drew Emma Frosts first appearance? How is that for one upsmanship? lol   I think you misunderstand my point. I understand you think she didn't look cheap in the comic, but did in the movie, I am just clarifying to you about how others don't feel the same way, because stuff like that is subjective.   i would have loved if they had Emma on the side being more manipulative and if they emphasized her motivation and actions as being down to being more self-serving, that would have been great. Instead I just projected that, but I can also understand why they may not have had the time to put that in as a subplot. Emma really only was a supporting character. The way I felt they played the character thpough doesn't mean I can't consider that she wasn't as i project.   So again, I didn't see her as you do, and she was just using Shaw as a means to her own end.   I am cute? Why thanks. Oh no problem, I like pointing out when people you know, make such easy to make fun of statements. Its like when you phrase your criticism with "these are visible contradictions to her comic counterpart" and as earlier discussed when you spoke of Emma's willingness to be spoken down to, as never happening in the comics? When as pointed out she has, and even suffered physical abuse? So why do you exaggerate as so? I don't need there to be express, emphatic, definitive proof that Emma wasn't just a lackey. Its the same as in the comics, (with some fans questioning whether she is good or evil, selfish or selfless) I like Emma, for that ambiguity. So if anything thats just a plus for me with the characters portrayal that some movie goers will see her as you do, where as many like myself and Dark Huntress who are huge, huge Emma fans, think the role was okay, and by us thinking it was okay, if someone claims we can't competently grasp the character by the basis of us actually not thinking it was a travesty we have more than enough reason and evidence to support why, as given.   So again, I am more than fine if you think its ridiculous characterization, and after speaking to you, i can see how you think that. I don't, and I feel my answers are sufficient as to why. I can also again, understand how other Emma Frosts fans, like the person you quoted find what the actress did pretty good as well. Could we wish for more? Sure. I hope there is  First Class sequel that has a more modernized, Morrison, Ellis, Whedon, Carey Emma, than First Class Emma. 
I quite clearly said that her being someone's bitch isn't a predominant part of her character. I clarified my own statement when I recognised it might be taken as you took it, so your decision to continue harping on something I clearly rectified is markedly desperate.
 
My view is that if you don't have time to handle someone as they deserve, then don't have them at all. They didn't have time to do Juggernaut as he deserved and we ended up with Jonesernaut.
 
You say she was using Shaw as a means to her own end in the movie, but why? What evidence suggests that? What part of the movie indicated an independent desire to do anything without him? She rolled her eyes at him when he demanded she bring him ice. How did you get it from that? What else did you get it from? There's nothing in the movie that suggests independence. The second someone else came to enlist her, she jumped at it. There was no indication she'd have ever been let out of the prison otherwise.
 
There was no ambiguity at all. She was Shaw's deck hand. That's it. You are attaching what YOU know of Emma from the comics without there being any indication of her being that. We know that Emma uses people, appears weaker for her own benefit, but there was no indication of that in the movie. None. I don't see how you gained, "She was using Shaw as a means to an end." from her rolling her eyes at him.
 
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 I quite clearly said that her being someone's bitch isn't a predominant part of her character. I clarified my own statement when I recognised it might be taken as you took it, so your decision to continue harping on something I clearly rectified is markedly desperate.  My view is that if you don't have time to handle someone as they deserve, then don't have them at all. They didn't have time to do Juggernaut as he deserved and we ended up with Jonesernaut.  You say she was using Shaw as a means to her own end in the movie, but why? What evidence suggests that? What part of the movie indicated an independent desire to do anything without him? She rolled her eyes at him when he demanded she bring him ice. How did you get it from that? What else did you get it from? There's nothing in the movie that suggests independence. The second someone else came to enlist her, she jumped at it. There was no indication she'd have ever been let out of the prison otherwise.  There was no ambiguity at all. She was Shaw's deck hand. That's it. You are attaching what YOU know of Emma from the comics without there being any indication of her being that. We know that Emma uses people, appears weaker for her own benefit, but there was no indication of that in the movie. None. I don't see how you gained, "She was using Shaw as a means to an end." from her rolling her eyes at him.  -The Mast
 
So your decision to keep on chattering is more racially insensitive and ironically perplexing? Plus when I look at jelly... it dances in tune with the drum beat I hear in my head. 
 
I know what you clearly said, i wasn't disputing what you said, nor was I trying to attempt to correct you. you said one thing, and corrected... sorry "rectified" it. I am using that as an example of you applying subjectivity and relativity where you see fit, but posing why you don't extend this to others? Ah see, thats what I am saying and appreciate. Your state your view. Your words. Your view. (where you say "My view") To me this means you are open to the idea of other people having their own view as well. You would have preferred them not to have Emma in the movie I can respect that. Can you acknowledge that a fan of Emma in the comics that knows the character's characterization can also like how she was in this movie even if you don't like how she was?  
 
I already gave evidence as to why I felt she was using Shaw as a means to a end, in quite a few of my posts above. I already assume you don't see the same indications as me, because you have rather obviously a huge issue with her part here. To borrow your tone, I quite clearly, translucently, transparently, and emphatically, stated that I projected a lot of meaning into the role. YOU, know that, THAT, means, I already, ACKNOWLEDGE, that I ATTACH, characteristics to the character, but uh, yes naturally from the comics, this was a movie CALLED X-Men, was IT not? So again, YOU APPLY, your statement "There was no ambiguity at all" AS if it was some sort of objective fact. I mean for real? No, ambiguity is clearly, relative. So for YOU, there was no ambiguity. I mean, I could say there was NO mutants in the film either so your argument is WRONg, because you are talking about a character that DOES not exist. YOU understand NOW?  
 
So really thats WHERE we DISAGREE. That question I pose I'll repeat again. Can you acknowledge that a fan of Emma in the comics that knows the character's characterization can also like how she was in this movie even if you don't like how she was?  Now subjectivity and objectivity enters the picture as reasons why and how Emma fans, like me can find her characterization as I do, where you can't. So we would need to have a similar understanding of those two concepts in order to YOU know, actually have a fruitful discussion, AS opposed to one WHERE its LIKE THIS (lol) 
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 I quite clearly said that her being someone's bitch isn't a predominant part of her character. I clarified my own statement when I recognised it might be taken as you took it, so your decision to continue harping on something I clearly rectified is markedly desperate.  My view is that if you don't have time to handle someone as they deserve, then don't have them at all. They didn't have time to do Juggernaut as he deserved and we ended up with Jonesernaut.  You say she was using Shaw as a means to her own end in the movie, but why? What evidence suggests that? What part of the movie indicated an independent desire to do anything without him? She rolled her eyes at him when he demanded she bring him ice. How did you get it from that? What else did you get it from? There's nothing in the movie that suggests independence. The second someone else came to enlist her, she jumped at it. There was no indication she'd have ever been let out of the prison otherwise.  There was no ambiguity at all. She was Shaw's deck hand. That's it. You are attaching what YOU know of Emma from the comics without there being any indication of her being that. We know that Emma uses people, appears weaker for her own benefit, but there was no indication of that in the movie. None. I don't see how you gained, "She was using Shaw as a means to an end." from her rolling her eyes at him.  -The Mast
 So your decision to keep on chattering is more racially insensitive and ironically perplexing? Plus when I look at jelly... it dances in tune with the drum beat I hear in my head.  I know what you clearly said, i wasn't disputing what you said, nor was I trying to attempt to correct you. you said one thing, and corrected... sorry "rectified" it. I am using that as an example of you applying subjectivity and relativity where you see fit, but posing why you don't extend this to others? Ah see, thats what I am saying and appreciate. Your state your view. Your words. Your view. (where you say "My view") To me this means you are open to the idea of other people having their own view as well. You would have preferred them not to have Emma in the movie I can respect that. Can you acknowledge that a fan of Emma in the comics that knows the character's characterization can also like how she was in this movie even if you don't like how she was?   I already gave evidence as to why I felt she was using Shaw as a means to a end, in quite a few of my posts above. I already assume you don't see the same indications as me, because you have rather obviously a huge issue with her part here. To borrow your tone, I quite clearly, translucently, transparently, and emphatically, stated that I projected a lot of meaning into the role. YOU, know that, THAT, means, I already, ACKNOWLEDGE, that I ATTACH, characteristics to the character, but uh, yes naturally from the comics, this was a movie CALLED X-Men, was IT not? So again, YOU APPLY, your statement "There was no ambiguity at all" AS if it was some sort of objective fact. I mean for real? No, ambiguity is clearly, relative. So for YOU, there was no ambiguity. I mean, I could say there was NO mutants in the film either so your argument is WRONg, because you are talking about a character that DOES not exist. YOU understand NOW?   So really thats WHERE we DISAGREE. That question I pose I'll repeat again. Can you acknowledge that a fan of Emma in the comics that knows the character's characterization can also like how she was in this movie even if you don't like how she was?  Now subjectivity and objectivity enters the picture as reasons why and how Emma fans, like me can find her characterization as I do, where you can't. So we would need to have a similar understanding of those two concepts in order to YOU know, actually have a fruitful discussion, AS opposed to one WHERE its LIKE THIS (lol) 
It's funny because you actually don't understand what I'm saying.
 
If the elements you see in her are ones that you attach to her, then they aren't actually there are they? If they're not there for everybody, objectively, then they aren't there at all. You are seeing her as you are because you are attaching things from comic knowledge that were observably not in the movie. The elements of her character that you stated, and I agreed with, were not there. Clearly. I'll answer your question and then come back to one of my own>
 
Yes, of course someone can like how she is. I never once said they couldn't. Obviously you've not been reading my post. My luck your viewing of Emma Frost, you've attached what you want to see rather than what's actually there. I simply said that her outfit was cheap, and her character attributes are not manipulative or deep enough to suggest it to be anything other than cheap. You are saying it isn't, why? Because she has revealing costumes in the comics as a means of seduction, and manipulation. That's who she is. Right, except she had none of that in the movie. All she had was a cheap outfit. Had it been coupled with a factual depiction of her possessing her own goals, designs and ideas to either overthrow or ditch Shaw, I would be agreeing with you.
 
All there was, actually, was a woman called Emma Frost that exhibited little or no independence.
 
My query to you: Remove your attachment of traits to her. Strip that away. Judge solely on what was absolutely and factually in the movie. Ok? Based on that, where are the examples of her having the traits you expressed? She doesn't state any independent plans, she doesn't give any sign of escaping on her own until Magneto comes and enlists her uses. So, where is this indication that her outfit was as it was because she was using it, and Shaw, to a means to an end? Where do you get the idea she was using Shaw as a means to an end, from the movie alone? Not your memories of comic Emma. Just solely the movie.
 
To give an example, I will mention From Hell again. I could have sat there and imagined all of the characters being like the comic, and then said it was good because of that. Objectively, though, there are hardly any parallels. It was more or less From Hell in name only. That's what you are doing with Emma Frost. You're using prior knowledge to give her depth and meaning that Vaughn and Singer did not give her. That is fact. Objective fact. If we list all the events and actions, dialogue and lines in the movie that were acted or spoken by Emma Frost, there isn't one instance that objectively suggests anything you said she had. Nothing suggests she was using Shaw as a means to an end and everything points to her being a simple lackey.
 
Furthermore, your rather pathetic and admittedly childish attempt to satirise the use of capitals for emphasise is a failure. If you don't know how to do something, it's best not to do it. If that needs to be your crutch in this debate, then by all means go for it.
 
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It's funny because you actually don't understand what I'm saying.  If the elements you see in her are ones that you attach to her, then they aren't actually there are they? If they're not there for everybody, objectively, then they aren't there at all. You are seeing her as you are because you are attaching things from comic knowledge that were observably not in the movie. The elements of her character that you stated, and I agreed with, were not there. Clearly. I'll answer your question and then come back to one of my own>  Yes, of course someone can like how she is. I never once said they couldn't. Obviously you've not been reading my post. My luck your viewing of Emma Frost, you've attached what you want to see rather than what's actually there. I simply said that her outfit was cheap, and her character attributes are not manipulative or deep enough to suggest it to be anything other than cheap. You are saying it isn't, why? Because she has revealing costumes in the comics as a means of seduction, and manipulation. That's who she is. Right, except she had none of that in the movie. All she had was a cheap outfit. Had it been coupled with a factual depiction of her possessing her own goals, designs and ideas to either overthrow or ditch Shaw, I would be agreeing with you.  All there was, actually, was a woman called Emma Frost that exhibited little or no independence.  My query to you: Remove your attachment of traits to her. Strip that away. Judge solely on what was absolutely and factually in the movie. Ok? Based on that, where are the examples of her having the traits you expressed? She doesn't state any independent plans, she doesn't give any sign of escaping on her own until Magneto comes and enlists her uses. So, where is this indication that her outfit was as it was because she was using it, and Shaw, to a means to an end? Where do you get the idea she was using Shaw as a means to an end, from the movie alone? Not your memories of comic Emma. Just solely the movie.  To give an example, I will mention From Hell again. I could have sat there and imagined all of the characters being like the comic, and then said it was good because of that. Objectively, though, there are hardly any parallels. It was more or less From Hell in name only. That's what you are doing with Emma Frost. You're using prior knowledge to give her depth and meaning that Vaughn and Singer did not give her. That is fact. Objective fact. If we list all the events and actions, dialogue and lines in the movie that were acted or spoken by Emma Frost, there isn't one instance that objectively suggests anything you said she had. Nothing suggests she was using Shaw as a means to an end and everything points to her being a simple lackey.  Furthermore, your rather pathetic and admittedly childish attempt to satirise the use of capitals for emphasise is a failure. If you don't know how to do something, it's best not to do it. If that needs to be your crutch in this debate, then by all means go for it. -The Mast
 
Its funny because your wearing purple tights when I send on the card that we were to be wearing matching pink tights?  
 
Project, it means I pick on stuff that can't be objectively proven based on subjective evidence. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I didn't see Xavier in any underwear either, are you saying therefore its a fact that he went commando? So its NOT that they are not there, its that its open for interpretation. So I agree that I can see, how you see its not there, not that I don't think its not there.   
 
My question posed to you was as a response to this  
 
"Anyone with a competent grasp of the woman's character would never suggest this adaptation was anything other than travesty"  
 
This is why I asked. I didn't say that you never once said otherwise. I am not posting to you with a tit for tat mentality. I am not trying to actually understand what you are saying, more so clarify your stance. Obviously your assuming I hold some sort of preconceived notion I though you said something along those lines, because obviously you obviously defensively add that I must obviously not be reading your posts.  
 
Obviously if I ask you if you like Caramel Ice Cream, the reason I ask obviously means I obviously think you dislike Caramel Ice cream, since obviously thats the only reason for ask questions, not to clarify their opinions on a subject or find clarity with another persons opinion on a subject obviously.  
 
You can attach to things that aren't there, but also to things that are. To adopt a similar tone to you, you must need everything in a film spelt out to you in black and white, otherwise it didn't happen? (except I wouldn't actively thing that, its such a shallow and easy argument to dismiss someone's opinion that way)  
  
You assume a lot but accuse me of not understanding your complex arguments? No, I thought she looked cheap in the movie (some parts) as cheap as she has in the comics. Ditto demeaning statements.  
 
On to your query. Well your query requires a much more complicated answer than my query. A good and true answer to your query would be longer to post than all my posts to you put together. I can answer it by flipping the scenario around and say by the same conditions and using absolute and objective evidence only, prove my stance incorrect? this means you can't use any subjective details like your view on what is cheap looking etc 
 
Plus again, not my memories of comic Emma. Projection of movie Emma's characteristics. Huge difference. So no, you do not state a fact, unless for some reason somehow you lack the ability to consciously interpret and draw conclusions based on subjective elements. Characterization is something independent of continuity and individual mediums. You must be aware of this? That is an actual fact by the way. Factually as well a fact? You fact is not. Factually your fact is not a fact.  
 
Yes thank you, childish satire, my attempts are pathetic and fail. Thank you for understanding that. Its not the only way to motivate me to keep replying to the cliche comic book fans who start throwing out comments like "Anyone with a competent grasp of the woman's character would never suggest this adaptation was anything other than travesty" and other comments like people who disagree with my opinion are rar rar wrong, and that people don't know what they are saying, but I do, and other people MUST NOT be reading my posts either. Also their humor fails, they smell bad and look funny. Plus they will never use humor to lighten the mood, only insult. Also, I must USE caps as well in my POST to them, but expect them to NOT find it condescending OR patronizing, and HOP[E they either take it in a NICE way, OR attempt to insult them with ITS use.  
 
Honestly? If your offended? I apologize. Sincerely. I don't attempt humor, I just try not to bore myself to literal death, when talking to other people online who start the My way or the High Way Opinion routine. This is that and if you disagree provide factual evidence or your wrong. You seemed to want to know why another poster I know is a fan of Emma in comics, seemed okay with the movie version? I am a comic Emma fan, I was okay with the movie version, so I decided to offer you my take. Then suddenly it seemed you wanted a pissing contest? If I knew you wanted a pissing contest, I would have probably not worn tights here, something more loose fitting.  You also still haven't addressed most of my points. Nah nah, nah nah. 
 
If you feel saying something the way you say it, makes it right, maybe you should just say your right, the King of Swing and that you have the biggest and coolest beard in the world. Since having the power to be right by just thinking and saying it must be really awesome. 
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 Yes, of course someone can like how she is. I never once said they couldn't. 
 
Plus if this is your reply, why is there a need to go into anything else? You clarify/clarified your stance and you know my stance. You must imagine the reason I hold my stance is due to subjective information and reasons and not objective information and reasons given that you know should I understand I know and are a fan of Emma in comics. So why all the fluster with everything else?  
 
I get the impression you think I am making fun of you? Like I said in my other post, if so I sincerely apologize. I just found your wording extreme and so wanted to seek clarification, I have it now. When people state subjective things objectively, I tend to parrot their tone if I find them condescending. Yep, thats how petty and small I am, that thats how I get bye *smile*  
 
As a die hard fan of the comic version of Emma, and a reasonable fan of the movie Emma, I will like to offer and state and clarify why and how I am of both. If you think such a thing is possible. (someone who has a competent grasp of the comic character and would suggest the movie version was more amiable than a travesty) then thats all I am/was curious about. I did not mean to subject you to my failed satire so again, apologies. If your a fan of the comic book Emma, hell I consider you awesome. 
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@SC: @The Mast: Your both wrong. Only my opinion matters in this world, and my opinion is that....January Jones is H O T ! ! ! Now stop your flirting and bow before me!

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@azza04: I find her to be more cold... ice cold... like a ice cold snow flake... a frosted snow flake... ahaha... ha.. ha... uhm yeah. Bow before you? Your not Sho Nuff! No way lol  
 
Speaking of cheap clothes. *Looks at Wonder Woman's plastic pants* shakes head. *looks at the Wonder Woman poster Azza put up *nods head*
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@SC: =D I can understand The Mast point, but....In a film like First Class their are alot of characters to get into the film that all need their stories fleshed out. Because of time constraints Emma Frost suffered a bit for it. But as I'm pretty sure it's been pointed out, women in the sixties were not that ambitious, and were to a degree subservient to men, so why would Emma Frost be different. To survive in the world she lives in she had to serve Shaw.

I thought they did a good job introducing her character, and since First Class is supposed to be the first of a new trilogy, there is room for her to take the spot light in the next film.

I was also very happy to see Wolverines cameo :D

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Now I know about Emma Frost
And knowing is half the battle!
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love Ema frost she and Cyclops look good together. i hope it will be wolverine and storm in the end oh well who knows

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ex-striper :))

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Love the video! I've always enjoyed Emma Frost as a character and never knew too much about her.