what Vertigo Characters...

#1 Posted by Silkcuts (5272 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

It is no secret some Vertigo Characters are locked way and haven't been back to the DCU in many many years. Some have comeback like Animal and Doom Patrol. But a Character like Swamp Thing, he comic doesn't survive in Vertigo anymore and he is not used there. Who the DCU fans like Alec back? or Keep Alec in Vertigo, give the DCU a new Swamp Thing?

Other characters locked away, Black Orchid, Tim Hunter, The Un-Men, Johnny Double, Tefe' and Abby Holland, and if there is more please add to the list.

At least Madame Xanadu has interactions with the DCU and her book shows that a Vertigo book can be young adult/teenish aged readers. The current Zatanna book I think has shown more skin then the Madame Xanadu series.

And a guy like John Constantine, could he cross-over to the DCU to be the bringer of bad omen like he did when Alan Moore was writing Swamp Thing? If so, would you de-age him or keep him old and scared?

#2 Posted by Crom-Cruach (7705 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

keep him old and scarred. That's the prick Constantine we know and love. Incidentally I think Vertigo characters should be kept from the DCU as it can ruin their themes by bringing dynamics that aren't part of what their characters are about.

#3 Edited by Caligula (12417 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

the only Vertigo character I think that can enter the DCU, and not be tarnished is Swamp Thing.

#4 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

"keep him old and scarred. That's the prick Constantine we know and love. Incidentally I think Vertigo characters should be kept from the DCU as it can ruin their themes by bringing dynamics that aren't part of what their characters are about. "

agreed

I'm fine that some Vertigo characters originated in the DCU but I like that they broke off, Animal Man and Doom Patrol lost the entire feel they earned in their Vertigo titles after they went back to DC, I don't want to see that happening to any other great characters

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#5 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Silkcuts: as for adding more to the list there is basically the entire cast of The Sandman including my favorite character Lucifer

there is Unknown Soldier, Shade the Changing Man, Human Target (who was ruined with his return to DC this year), Wesley Dodds, etc.

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#6 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@aztek the lost said:

" @Silkcuts: as for adding more to the list there is basically the entire cast of The Sandman including my favorite character Lucifer there is Unknown Soldier, Shade the Changing Man, Human Target (who was ruined with his return to DC this year), Wesley Dodds, etc. "

completely agree. with this. DC absolutely thrashed Chance. and I like DC, but not as much as I like Vertigo.

also What do you think of Swamp Thing, I believe he would mesh well in the DCU, without being ruined.

#7 Posted by Crom-Cruach (7705 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Caligula said:

" also What do you think of Swamp Thing, I believe he would mesh well in the DCU, without being ruined. "

He appeared in the DC 1985 mega-arc, "Crisis on infinite Earths" but I think his mission and his storyline wouldn't fit very well in the grand scale of DCU events.

#8 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

" @Caligula said:
" also What do you think of Swamp Thing, I believe he would mesh well in the DCU, without being ruined. "
He appeared in the DC 1985 mega-arc, "Crisis on infinite Earths" but I think his mission and his storyline wouldn't fit very well in the grand scale of DCU events. "

I Know he has been there in DC before. but I'm talking about possibly being a major part of the DCU. I'm a pretty big Swamp Thing fan. so I know he was in DC a few times. but i just feel out of all of the Vertigo Characters, he would be the most likely to get placed in the DCU, without ruining his character.

#9 Posted by Crom-Cruach (7705 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Caligula said:

" , he would be the most likely to get placed in the DCU, without ruining his character. "

I don't think so, his whole theme of the power of nature, the mystical symbiosis he has with the earth and the events that happened in the series. In my opinion at least, could not have transpired like they had if this were happening the the DCU.

#10 Posted by Rokuakai (192 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

I agree bring back Swamp Thing he is awesome

#11 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

" @Caligula said:
" , he would be the most likely to get placed in the DCU, without ruining his character. "
I don't think so, his whole theme of the power of nature, the mystical symbiosis he has with the earth and the events that happened in the series. In my opinion at least, could not have transpired like they had if this were happening the the DCU. "

I disagree, but we shall leave it at that.

#12 Posted by Crom-Cruach (7705 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Caligula said:

I disagree, but we shall leave it at that. "

cool, let's agree to disagree.

#13 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

" @Caligula said:
" , he would be the most likely to get placed in the DCU, without ruining his character. "
I don't think so, his whole theme of the power of nature, the mystical symbiosis he has with the earth and the events that happened in the series. In my opinion at least, could not have transpired like they had if this were happening the the DCU. "

well I'm not going to lie, the only Swamp Thing series I have read so far is Vol. 4 which was Vertigo and cut off from the main DCU for the most part so I'm not 100% sure as of yet in my answering

however the run that made Swamp Thing a great character was Moore's which was entirely DCU I believe...so I'm inclined to think if you had the right writer he could return to DC...however, to place him in major arcs and stuff maybe not...idk I think he's the most capable of returning to DC without permanent damage

@Caligula said:

" @aztek the lost said:
" @Silkcuts: as for adding more to the list there is basically the entire cast of The Sandman including my favorite character Lucifer there is Unknown Soldier, Shade the Changing Man, Human Target (who was ruined with his return to DC this year), Wesley Dodds, etc. "
completely agree. with this. DC absolutely thrashed Chance. and I like DC, but not as much as I like Vertigo. also What do you think of Swamp Thing, I believe he would mesh well in the DCU, without being ruined. "

glad someone else has noticed, I think the worst part is Vertigo is still trying to feed off of the current Human Target fame because I feel it lessens Milligan's run by comparing it to the current crap they have going on, no offense to any of the creative team involved but it's like comparing Moore's LoXG and the film adaption...apart from the name of the show and a few character names there are no similarities...I read Milligan's Human Target mini and Final Cut OGN in preparation for the show and thought this was going to be one of the best shows ever...I saw the trailer, read the synopsis, and cursed the world of marketing...I'm not sorry I read the Human Target stuff but still, it was a frustration...Milligan revolutionized the Human Target and then they just took him right back to the way he was before

would people like it if someone came along and took the Swamp Thing and made him right back to the way he was pre-Moore? no, there would be assassinations and angry fan letters aplenty...maybe the problem is Milligan doesn't get enough exposure?

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#14 Posted by Crom-Cruach (7705 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@aztek the lost: solid argument there. I guess it's just my preference kicking in when I think Swamp Thing should remain a Vertigo venture.

#15 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

" @aztek the lost: solid argument there. I guess it's just my preference kicking in when I think Swamp Thing should remain a Vertigo venture. "

I believe he should too. but I was stating that out all the characters in Vertigo, he would be the easiest to move to DC.

#16 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@aztek the lost: damn man, you are like in my brain. The Show and DC's run on Target. is balls.

#17 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

" @aztek the lost: solid argument there. I guess it's just my preference kicking in when I think Swamp Thing should remain a Vertigo venture. "

oh I wholeheartedly agree with the preference thing, one of the things I like about Vertigo is that it's stories are self-contained and not a part of the larger DCU, I read a story for that story, not for a story I have to pick up fifty tie-ins to fully enjoy

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#18 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Caligula said:

" @aztek the lost: damn man, you are like in my brain. The Show and DC's run on Target. is balls. "

(insert that cliche phrase about superior-minded individuals and their hive-like properties)

speaking of other characters DC decided to slap Vertigo readers in the face with: what the effing Hell was up with bringing Wesley Dodds as a Black Lantern only to let him die again? seriously, I was unamused...then again I didn't read the issue maybe it was stellar stuff but I highly doubt it...I didn't want Dodds to just be another pawn in a big arc

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#19 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@aztek the lost said:

" @Caligula said:
" @aztek the lost: damn man, you are like in my brain. The Show and DC's run on Target. is balls. "
(insert that cliche phrase about superior-minded individuals and their hive-like properties) speaking of other characters DC decided to slap Vertigo readers in the face with: what the effing Hell was up with bringing Wesley Dodds as a Black Lantern only to let him die again? seriously, I was unamused...then again I didn't read the issue maybe it was stellar stuff but I highly doubt it...I didn't want Dodds to just be another pawn in a big arc "

WAIT A MINUTE!!!
the Killer was in Blackest Night. and I missed this, what issue is he in. good sir?

#20 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Caligula said:

" @aztek the lost said:
" @Caligula said:
" @aztek the lost: damn man, you are like in my brain. The Show and DC's run on Target. is balls. "
(insert that cliche phrase about superior-minded individuals and their hive-like properties) speaking of other characters DC decided to slap Vertigo readers in the face with: what the effing Hell was up with bringing Wesley Dodds as a Black Lantern only to let him die again? seriously, I was unamused...then again I didn't read the issue maybe it was stellar stuff but I highly doubt it...I didn't want Dodds to just be another pawn in a big arc "
WAIT A MINUTE!!! the Killer was in Blackest Night. and I missed this, what issue is he in. good sir? "

Wes? he appeared in the Blackest Night: JSA miniseries

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#21 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@aztek the lost: oh nevermind, I was thing of Wesley Gibson. sorry for the confusion.
yeah I read Blackest Night JSA, and Dodds was kind of wasted. but im not a huge fan of him.

#22 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Caligula said:

" @aztek the lost: oh nevermind, I was thing of Wesley Gibson. sorry for the confusion. yeah I read Blackest Night JSA, and Dodds was kind of wasted. but im not a huge fan of him. "

I wasn't much of a big fan of him until not too long ago but in my quest to read everything Vertigo puts out in 2010 so I can do a proper "End of the Year Wrap-Up"...Sandman Mystery Theatre Vol. 8 came out...so over the past few weeks I bought Vol. 1-7 and I have Vol. 8 on order right now...I've only read Vol. 1-4 so far but from what I've read I've loved so he's been bumped up in my book, plus I loved his appearance in Madame Xanadu...ah yes, that's a Vertigo book that takes characters from DC and makes them cooler in my eyes

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#23 Edited by Caligula (12417 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@aztek the lost: Much agreed on Xanadu.

and when you have completed the Sandman books, let me know what you thought overall. and tell me if I should get them or not.
I trust your judgement, and i love all things Vertigo so.

#24 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Caligula: I'll be sure to let you know, one reason I try and read everything Vertigo is so I can properly recommend anything to someone who's interested because I know you're not going to find much discussion about something like Sandman Mystery Theatre or Scalped around here. Which is a pity, if you look in the Vertigo board you'll see several failed attempts of mine to trigger Vertigo discussion (I'm VNU btw).

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#25 Edited by Caligula (12417 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@aztek the lost said:

" @Caligula: I'll be sure to let you know, one reason I try and read everything Vertigo is so I can properly recommend anything to someone who's interested because I know you're not going to find much discussion about something like Sandman Mystery Theatre or Scalped around here. Which is a pity, if you look in the Vertigo board you'll see several failed attempts of mine to trigger Vertigo discussion (I'm VNU btw). "

I hear you on that. and Man Scalped is Awesome. I have only read the first arc but. i plan on getting the entire series when I have the money.

#26 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Caligula said:

" @aztek the lost said:
" @Caligula: I'll be sure to let you know, one reason I try and read everything Vertigo is so I can properly recommend anything to someone who's interested because I know you're not going to find much discussion about something like Sandman Mystery Theatre or Scalped around here. Which is a pity, if you look in the Vertigo board you'll see several failed attempts of mine to trigger Vertigo discussion (I'm VNU btw). "
I hear you on that. and Man Scalped is Awesome. I have only read the first arc but. i plan on getting the entire series when I have the money. "

I won't spoil anything for you since you're already hooked but you are going to love what's to come...Casino Boogie, Dead Mothers, The Gravel in Your Guts, High Lonesome, The Gnawing, heck, it's all epic...I just love how he does the different character perspectives and establishes an entire world...plus, the violence never hurts :P

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#27 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@aztek the lost said:

" @Caligula said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @Caligula: I'll be sure to let you know, one reason I try and read everything Vertigo is so I can properly recommend anything to someone who's interested because I know you're not going to find much discussion about something like Sandman Mystery Theatre or Scalped around here. Which is a pity, if you look in the Vertigo board you'll see several failed attempts of mine to trigger Vertigo discussion (I'm VNU btw). "
I hear you on that. and Man Scalped is Awesome. I have only read the first arc but. i plan on getting the entire series when I have the money. "
I won't spoil anything for you since you're already hooked but you are going to love what's to come...Casino Boogie, Dead Mothers, The Gravel in Your Guts, High Lonesome, The Gnawing, heck, it's all epic...I just love how he does the different character perspectives and establishes an entire world...plus, the violence never hurts :P "

oh yeah it's awesome so far.
and I find even more awesome that I am, half Native American myself (Apache). Red Crow is a great character.

#28 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@Caligula said:

"oh yeah it's awesome so far. and I find even more awesome that I am, half Native American myself (Apache). Red Crow is a great character. "

well I have a cousin who's Native American...does that count? But yes, yes he is, The Gravel in Your Guts is his shining moment IMO.

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#29 Posted by Theodore (3445 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

It'd be fun to see what Constantine would have thought about Blackest Night. I think Swamp Thing should come back to DCU.

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Vertigo is an imprint of DC Comics suggested for mature readers and is a continuity separate from the DC Universe that has included Sandman, Swamp Thing, John Constantine (Hellblazer) and many others. However, nowadays the imprint is mostly focused upon creator-owned material.

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