Off My Mind: Vertigo's Death At DC, What Will This Mean?

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Posted by G-Man (30663 posts) - - Show Bio
A little shocking piece of news came out yesterday courtesy of DC's The Source. Death is coming to Action Comics. Not just any "death" but we're talking about the one from Neil Gaiman's Sandman. There's basically two things to think about over this announcement.
 
The first thing is the line between DC and Vertigo is getting smaller. There's always been a distinct connection between the two "universes" (I remember Martian Manhunter and Arkham Asylum being in Sandman #5), but for the most part, DC and Vertigo remained separate.
 
This news also follows last month's bit about Swamp Thing returning to the DC Universe. With Death coming, does this mean we'll see more DC/Vertigo crossovers? Will this change the nature of the Vertigo characters when they have to adapt for the DC books? What other Vertigo characters might we see in DC books?
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The other thing to consider is, what will Death think about Blackest Night? In Action Comics #890, we see Lex Luthor obsessed with finding a power ring. He's searching for any traces of the Black power rings. His quest to find more power is what will lead him the boundaries of the DCU. With Death appearing, will she have anything to say about the dead that temporarily came to life during Blackest Night and what does she think about the ones that came back at the end of Blackest Night?
 
Despite the various crossovers ( Dream has even appeared on the cover to 1998's JLA #22), it just seems these characters should remain separate. I do enjoy both line of comics but I don't think they should mix. I understand that Neil Gaiman even gave his approval on Paul Cornell using Death but it just feels wrong. Cornell has assured us that she "will be true to the spirit of what has gone before." Paul Cornell will do the right thing but I fear that this could open the door to other things in the future that might not go as smoothly.
 
What are your thoughts on Death meeting Lex Luthor? Do you like the idea of DC and Vertigo characters interacting? Do you think we'll see Death address the resurrections from Blackest Night? What Vertigo and DC characters would you like to see meet up?
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#1 Posted by doordoor123 (3721 posts) - - Show Bio

hmm thats interesting. Maybe its just a cameo to pull more readers into vertigo?

#2 Posted by chalkshark (1185 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn't have any problem at all with this, were Gaiman actually writing it. I shudder at the idea of lesser writers penning stories with these characters. It just serves to diminish them.  It's a real shame that Swamp Thing is being returned to the larger DC Universe proper. A lot of the themes regarding that character, that could only be explored in a Vertigo title, will now go untouched. That's the great thing about the Vertigo imprint. It allowed for much more exploratory storytelling, without having to deal with all the self imposed limits of the regular DC line. Personally, I'd rather see them take the DC line over to Vertigo, rather than take the Vertigo line over to DC.

#3 Posted by longbowhunter (6797 posts) - - Show Bio

Truly odd. I dont mind seeing Swamp Thing mix it up in the DCU, but Death dont seem right to me. Interesting concept I guess.
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#4 Edited by johnny_spam (2032 posts) - - Show Bio

I love it the Vertigo and DC line has been nonsensical and has little purpose. In the past few years the Vertigo imprint has become more about the creator owned titles than revamping DC characters I also think many characters had no place going so Vertigo, the events seemed to be getting less clever and more of Vertigo writers asking "How much more can we mess these characters lives up." 
  
Half the DC characters in the Vertigo imprint are not used. 
Tim Hunter was abandoned.
Swamp Thing  has not had anything important since Alan Moore.
Shade The Changing Man  was only known for Peter Milligan. 
 

John Constantine once someone on everyone's list is now a irrelevant character only hardcore fans still like.
 
Characters prominent in the eighties and nineties but have not drawn readers attention in a long time. Nothing notable has been done either most of the time the characters are remembered for early years than recent. 
 
 And let's remember when Alan Moore first did Swamp Thing that it took place fully in the DCU and was only made an imprint because they felt that it did not fit superhero comics but has anyone seen superhero comics recently? Sex and death is not taboo in superhero comics anymore.
 
 But we should remember that this is a rumor according to Paul Cornell he sought permission from Neil Gaiman himself and has said he is unsure what DC's plans are the only source where this news came from was Bleeding Cool and Rich Johnston is not the most reliable man on the internet he has been saying for a year that Geoff Johns and Jim Lee would make a second Justice League book and Grant Morison would write no make a mini no make a graphic novel of Wonder Woman both rumors that have been going on for more than a year so we should be skeptical.(Watch all this get announced at San Diego in two weeks and I am wrong.) 

#5 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@johnny spam: John Constantine has been used consistently actually and in fact Shade the Changing Man is in his title right now
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#6 Posted by johnny_spam (2032 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost: @aztek the lost said:
" @johnny spam: John Constantine has been used consistently actually and in fact Shade the Changing Man is in his title right now "
But no one is paying attention to the character anymore that Shade bit is all I can think of and it's Peter Milligan using him and the character of Constantine is in an eternal cycle that won't end or move on. How many girlfriends of his have died and how many times has he been depressed then got it together only for the next writer to do the same thing?
#7 Posted by ComicMan24 (147042 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm curious to see her reaction to Blackest Night. As for DC and Vertigo characters interacting, I would prefer them to stay separated for most of the time but with some crossovers every now and then.
#8 Posted by RedHurricane24 (235 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd give it a shot. Unlike people who say that this shouldn't happen, but that's just me.

#9 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@johnny spam said:
" @aztek the lost: @aztek the lost said:
" @johnny spam: John Constantine has been used consistently actually and in fact Shade the Changing Man is in his title right now "
But no one is paying attention to the character anymore that Shade bit is all I can think of and it's Peter Milligan using him and the character of Constantine is in an eternal cycle that won't end or move on. How many girlfriends of his have died and how many times has he been depressed then got it together only for the next writer to do the same thing? "
so basically you think that Vertigo's not using the characters the way you want them to be used, but really what would DC do with any of them...it's not like they don't have enough character's already and they certainly let quite a few fall into comic book limbo
 
the best stories that can be told about those characters you listed are better off at Vertigo...what would DC do with them, really? retcon their whole history and then leave them as a background character most likely
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#10 Posted by Gylan Thomas (2727 posts) - - Show Bio

This isn't the first time a Vertigo charactger's appearred in the DCU.
Aslo there've always been soem character with connections to the DCU but with mature titles in the Vertigo imprint.
 
I doubt we'll se anything too crazy like Jesse Custer meeting Batman or Spider Jerusalem teaming up with Terry McGuinness.

#11 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gylan Thomas said:
"  I doubt we'll se anything too crazy like Jesse Custer meeting Batman or Spider Jerusalem teaming up with Terry McGuinness. "
those characters are creator-owned and not part of the DCU
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#12 Posted by johnny_spam (2032 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost: @aztek the lost said:
" @johnny spam said:
" @aztek the lost: @aztek the lost said:
" @johnny spam: John Constantine has been used consistently actually and in fact Shade the Changing Man is in his title right now "
But no one is paying attention to the character anymore that Shade bit is all I can think of and it's Peter Milligan using him and the character of Constantine is in an eternal cycle that won't end or move on. How many girlfriends of his have died and how many times has he been depressed then got it together only for the next writer to do the same thing? "
so basically you think that Vertigo's not using the characters the way you want them to be used, but really what would DC do with any of them...it's not like they don't have enough character's already and they certainly let quite a few fall into comic book limbo  the best stories that can be told about those characters you listed are better off at Vertigo...what would DC do with them, really? retcon their whole history and then leave them as a background character most likely "
In the beginning they were fully in the DCU Sandman, Hellblazer, Swamp Thing and the thing is they were only known for stories years ago no other stories have been made that captured people's interest like Alan Moore's Swamp Thing or Garth Ennis's Hellblazer and like I said half those characters are unused so if DC does do get them again then they would have to have a purpose and it would more use than they have gotten from Vertigo. Fables Daytripper Sweet Tooth Joe the Barbarian American Vampire DMZ Northlanders The Unwritten are the most known books at Vertigo and it seems that the imprint has made the jump in that direction.
#13 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@johnny spam: I realize they were taken from the DCU but nobody ever gave the new titles a chance so it's not that they weren't good but over the past twenty years people's interest in those kind of characters faded...I mean John Constantine is flourishing right now under Milligan and he's had plenty of good writers since Ennis...but you're right that Vertigo is mostly creator-owned works now but what about Madame Xanadu and House of Mystery? These are two of my favorite (well okay, they're pretty much all my favorite) titles that Vertigo is putting out right now and they're DCU. I'm sure you think the current Doom Patrol is better then anything Vertigo would have had if the team stayed in their clutches but I don't. The only thing DC has over Vertigo is more buyers but that doesn't make the stories better quality and personally I don't see what's wrong with a character's story being wrapped up. Nobody's ever continued Moore's Watchmen and most people seem to think that's a terrible idea so why does anyone need to continue Gaiman's Sandman?
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#14 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm quite happy about it. As long as the characters retain their original spirit, I can't see the big deal. You can still use them in Vertigo. Action Comics is one of DC's biggest titles, so this is really an opportunity for the character to be seen by a much wider audience than she ever would in a Vertigo comic and may persuade people to check out some of those books.

#15 Posted by johnny_spam (2032 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost: @aztek the lost said:
" @johnny spam: I realize they were taken from the DCU but nobody ever gave the new titles a chance so it's not that they weren't good but over the past twenty years people's interest in those kind of characters faded...I mean John Constantine is flourishing right now under Milligan and he's had plenty of good writers since Ennis...but you're right that Vertigo is mostly creator-owned works now but what about Madame Xanadu and House of Mystery? These are two of my favorite (well okay, they're pretty much all my favorite) titles that Vertigo is putting out right now and they're DCU. I'm sure you think the current Doom Patrol is better then anything Vertigo would have had if the team stayed in their clutches but I don't. The only thing DC has over Vertigo is more buyers but that doesn't make the stories better quality and personally I don't see what's wrong with a character's story being wrapped up. Nobody's ever continued Moore's Watchmen and most people seem to think that's a terrible idea so why does anyone need to continue Gaiman's Sandman? "  
Never read much Doom Patrol than the Grant Morrison trade but the thing is that Vertigo has moved on from them and on to creator owned series which is great but those original DC characters were not ended properly by choice like Watchmen and Neil Gaiman's Sandman, they were cancelled with little to no interest if DC could use them then they should. No one other than Constantine fans know who the character is and Swamp Thing has had failed series after each other. 
#16 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@johnny spam said:
" @aztek the lost: @aztek the lost said:
" @johnny spam: I realize they were taken from the DCU but nobody ever gave the new titles a chance so it's not that they weren't good but over the past twenty years people's interest in those kind of characters faded...I mean John Constantine is flourishing right now under Milligan and he's had plenty of good writers since Ennis...but you're right that Vertigo is mostly creator-owned works now but what about Madame Xanadu and House of Mystery? These are two of my favorite (well okay, they're pretty much all my favorite) titles that Vertigo is putting out right now and they're DCU. I'm sure you think the current Doom Patrol is better then anything Vertigo would have had if the team stayed in their clutches but I don't. The only thing DC has over Vertigo is more buyers but that doesn't make the stories better quality and personally I don't see what's wrong with a character's story being wrapped up. Nobody's ever continued Moore's Watchmen and most people seem to think that's a terrible idea so why does anyone need to continue Gaiman's Sandman? "  
Never read much Doom Patrol than the Grant Morrison trade but the thing is that Vertigo has moved on from them and on to creator owned series which is great but those original DC characters were not ended properly by choice like Watchmen and Neil Gaiman's Sandman, they were cancelled with little to no interest if DC could use them then they should. No one other than Constantine fans know who the character is and Swamp Thing has had failed series after each other.  "
I have to cut this short (because I need to go to work) but I as a big fan of many of those character's think it better they not reach Deadpool fame...true I think Shade, the Changing Man should have extended beyond #70 and feel Books of Magick: Life During Wartime could have become a much more interesting Tim were it allowed to expand beyond 15 issues and Swamp Thing definitely was good enough to last beyond #29 but it's not like DC doesn't cancel their comics too and who's to say it's not simply interest in the character's from the mass population that is gone. It's not the 90's...edgy isn't cool anymore...I don't believe sales is a sign of a character's success.
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#17 Posted by johnny_spam (2032 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost: @aztek the lost said:
I have to cut this short (because I need to go to work) but I as a big fan of many of those character's think it better they not reach Deadpool fame...true I think Shade, the Changing Man should have extended beyond #70 and feel Books of Magick: Life During Wartime could have become a much more interesting Tim were it allowed to expand beyond 15 issues and Swamp Thing definitely was good enough to last beyond #29 but it's not like DC doesn't cancel their comics too and who's to say it's not simply interest in the character's from the mass population that is gone. It's not the 90's...edgy isn't cool anymore...I don't believe sales is a sign of a character's success. "
But DC takes the sales as a sign of success and that's all that matters to them. And no one wants a character to become Deadpool. 
#18 Posted by dirtymik (19 posts) - - Show Bio

Not keen on the idea of Death showing up in Action Comics but it could work. This is comics after all! And in a round-a-bout way it makes sense that Death shows up in the DCU because she is a DC owned character [creative control rests with Neil Gaiman].    
 
Should the characters of each imprint remain separate? No. It doesn't really make sense given how Vertigo came about. Besides, if the Vertigo imprint is ever folded up all those characters are coming right back into the DCU.

#19 Posted by Icemizer (181 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess how Death is used will make me decide if the idea is good or bad. Right now I am firmly in the camp of, if the story makes sense use the character. Swamp Thing, Shade, Constantine could appear in any DC book and I wouldnt have a problem with it.

#20 Posted by Joey Ravn (385 posts) - - Show Bio
@longbowhunter said:
" Truly odd. I dont mind seeing Swamp Thing mix it up in the DCU, but Death dont seem right to me. Interesting concept I guess. "
Actually, during the first numbers, The Sandman was deeply intertwined with the DCU. Many heroes made cameos.
#21 Posted by harleyquinnhawkgirl (336 posts) - - Show Bio

For me I feel like it's pretty random to do this. It may be a way of Vertigo trying to introduce characters to some of the DC people and maybe get more sales. For the most part this might be an interesting cross over.
#22 Posted by Jack the Ripper (2225 posts) - - Show Bio
@Joey Ravn said:
" @longbowhunter said:
" Truly odd. I dont mind seeing Swamp Thing mix it up in the DCU, but Death dont seem right to me. Interesting concept I guess. "
Actually, during the first numbers, The Sandman was deeply intertwined with the DCU. Many heroes made cameos. "

for the first seven issues of the series, but after #8 (her first appearance) the series took a turn and never really went back to featuring DC superheroes and supervillains
#23 Posted by Jack the Ripper (2225 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel I should bring up the latest Vertigo character DC took back...Human Target...they did it purely for sales because of that show...trashed the guy so he's not even likable and now they're probably just going to throw him back into limbo...DC shouldn't be mucking about with a good thing they've got going

#24 Posted by johnny_spam (2032 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jack the Ripper: @Jack the Ripper said:
" @Joey Ravn said:
" @longbowhunter said:
" Truly odd. I dont mind seeing Swamp Thing mix it up in the DCU, but Death dont seem right to me. Interesting concept I guess. "
Actually, during the first numbers, The Sandman was deeply intertwined with the DCU. Many heroes made cameos. "
for the first seven issues of the series, but after #8 (her first appearance) the series took a turn and never really went back to featuring DC superheroes and supervillains "
Batman, Superman and Martian Manhunter did show up at Morpheus' funeral. 
#25 Posted by Jack the Ripper (2225 posts) - - Show Bio
@johnny spam said:
" @Jack the Ripper:  @Jack the Ripper said:
" @Joey Ravn said:
" @longbowhunter said:
" Truly odd. I dont mind seeing Swamp Thing mix it up in the DCU, but Death dont seem right to me. Interesting concept I guess. "
Actually, during the first numbers, The Sandman was deeply intertwined with the DCU. Many heroes made cameos. "
for the first seven issues of the series, but after #8 (her first appearance) the series took a turn and never really went back to featuring DC superheroes and supervillains "
Batman, Superman and Martian Manhunter did show up at Morpheus' funeral.  "

true, but that was more of a nod to them rather then a role
#26 Edited by Timm (255 posts) - - Show Bio

Vertigo is DC, this doesn't even feel like a stretch to me, i didn't even bat an eye. Milestone's past merging characters in with DC was stranger than this. i still roll my eyebrows confused at Static Shock going hard in with Young Justice... ERRR... i mean Teen Titans. really, just call me when Wild C.A.T.S. loses a couple members to the justice league and we can talk about complicated storyline crossovers and insane incompatible comic book universe collisions.

#27 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8737 posts) - - Show Bio

welcome to american comic companies folks. Might as well try and reason away the mind of the Joker. Just enjoy the good stories in themselves without looking too much outside it's own boundaries. Otherwise you'll go insane or like me you'll just walk away with complete and utter disgust for years.

#28 Posted by gangly (107 posts) - - Show Bio

in a perfect world, Vertigo would be to DC: as Pixar was to Disney.
 
Back in the glory days, Pixar was it's own studio, free to persue what it wanted and Disney supported them with a little infrastrucure and distribution.  Now they're merged, and here comes Cars 2! 

In the early Karen Berger days, they had a similar ideal situation.  Find brilliant creators, let them actually make art for adults, and DC picks up the check.  Fucking with that separation will only result in watering down a beloved character and confusing the Universe in general. 
 
Maybe it's finally fucking time to actually come up with NEW IDEAS!  We could be in the second Renaissance here folks, but instead the spineless suits are just going the way of shitty movie studios and are trying to milk the soul out of any IPs left standing.
 
Arg.

#29 Posted by kitsuneconundrum (208 posts) - - Show Bio

someone needs to continue the story of the endless. Death is too great a character to be left alone. If they can somehow integrate her character into the recent events, it'll be great. More of the new Daniel as Dream as well.

#30 Posted by Golden Cod (412 posts) - - Show Bio

Now how does one reconcile Neil Gaiman's Death with Nekron?   I love Neil's take on Death but I don't know how they'd make the character fit in the DCU.

#31 Posted by ResurrectionFlan (8 posts) - - Show Bio
@Golden Cod said:
" Now how does one reconcile Neil Gaiman's Death with Nekron?   I love Neil's take on Death but I don't know how they'd make the character fit in the DCU. "
You just block out all the dumb parts and hope something poetic and better takes its place. Nekron isn't the grim reaper. They didn't really explain what he is, what he can do, why anyone cares, and why he was so easily defeated. Better than Neron though...?
 
"ZOMG it's my dead wife" PSYCH! It's a zombie who you wouldn't think is them in a million years because they look weird and gross and have a power ring and rotted flesh but you still act like it is them for some reason until the issue is over and everything is fine.
 
"ZOMG it's my dead gf" PSYCH! repeat. 
 
More flapping of wings plz. Less flapping of zombie gums.
#32 Posted by Dr. Maxwell (661 posts) - - Show Bio

Hrmm very interesting, I though Death was the shadowy figure at the end of the first part of Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader, but alas I was wrong (only to be Marth Wayne) Gaiman has made timeless characters, and others have been shown to write them, Mike Carrey writing the entire Lucifer series, and Matt Wagner writing a Death Cameo in Madame Xanadu.
 
Maybe this will get some new readers into Vertigo stuff, of course this could all be a ploy to have people by the Sandman trade reprints that come out this fall

#33 Posted by the_fallen11 (636 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought Nekron was DC's death.
#34 Posted by Silkcuts (5272 posts) - - Show Bio
@the_fallen11:  It should of stayed that way.
#35 Posted by simonchan (98 posts) - - Show Bio

ummm... the endless and gaiman's universe has always been in sync with the dc  universe. Think JLA's Morrison run with Daniel (the new dream*- dunno if you were reffering to that comic) , or the books of magic, ydyadyadyadyaaa. shouldn't be surprising that death is gonna be there (p.s. if death looked that good in marvel, thanos is gonna have some competition.

#36 Posted by simonchan (98 posts) - - Show Bio
@the_fallen11:  good pt, he prolly controls death but is not death (im sure there is some interdepartmental explanation for this, we just have to get ellis to explain it* : P  )
#37 Posted by Gylan Thomas (2727 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
"  I doubt we'll se anything too crazy like Jesse Custer meeting Batman or Spider Jerusalem teaming up with Terry McGuinness. "
those characters are creator-owned and not part of the DCU "
True.
But given that fact we always knew some of the character were part of the DCU and could run into each other.
Although I always kinda thought of it in the same way Punisher MAX might run into other Marvels put it would be out of continuity.
 
I'm ok with it. Most Vertigo stuff is far enough out of the DCU to not be affected.
#38 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@simonchan said:
" ummm... the endless and gaiman's universe has always been in sync with the dc  universe. Think JLA's Morrison run with Daniel (the new dream*- dunno if you were reffering to that comic) , or the books of magic, ydyadyadyadyaaa. shouldn't be surprising that death is gonna be there (p.s. if death looked that good in marvel, thanos is gonna have some competition. "
Books of Magic is Vertigo (the original miniseries was printed before the Vertigo imprint though it has since been collected by them) and yes Daniel Hall did appear but nothing really to do him justice from what I've been told from fans of Sandman though I haven't read it myself
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#39 Posted by Kenshiro28 (49 posts) - - Show Bio

Careful, DC....she is now perilously close to you're "rape and murdered" field....and yes, she's Death, but I'm sure someone over there is already giving it thought.

#40 Posted by The Stegman (23160 posts) - - Show Bio

i actually think its a good idea for the big brand DC and the smaller vertigo interacting, its a fresh new start with new interactions i mean if two big companies like marvel and dc would team up it would end badly (aka marvel vs dc short series) cause the iconic characters from both brands would clash, however this way it will both get people interested in vertigo, well MORE people anyway and give dc some new stories its a win win

#41 Posted by Impling (35 posts) - - Show Bio

I was under the impression that Gaiman was the only person who could write DEATH. That anyone who used the character had to check with him. It had something to do with that being the only character that he really didn't want anyone else messing with. I thought this most because when  Matt Wagner used her in issue #6 of Madam Xanadu it was under consoltation with Neil and he did the DEATH justice. Also the connection between DC and Vert has really not been talked about since Kevin Smith's run on Green Arrow when he mentioned one of the main characters seeing Dream imprisoned in the glass globe.

#42 Posted by Comiclove5 (1255 posts) - - Show Bio

Most likely she is replacing Nekron as the enity and manger of the died.

#43 Edited by NightFang (9904 posts) - - Show Bio

It mean's trouble, nothing but trouble!

#44 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@Impling said:
"I was under the impression that Gaiman was the only person who could write DEATH. That anyone who used the character had to check with him. It had something to do with that being the only character that he really didn't want anyone else messing with. I thought this most because when  Matt Wagner used her in issue #6 of Madam Xanadu it was under consoltation with Neil and he did the DEATH justice. Also the connection between DC and Vert has really not been talked about since Kevin Smith's run on Green Arrow when he mentioned one of the main characters seeing Dream imprisoned in the glass globe. "

well as much as that sounds nice and DC does go to Gaiman for "approval" with most of his work...he has no actual ownership so technically they can do whatever the hell they want I believe
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#45 Posted by gangly (107 posts) - - Show Bio
@kitsuneconundrum said:

" someone needs to continue the story of the endless. Death is too great a character to be left alone. If they can somehow integrate her character into the recent events, it'll be great. More of the new Daniel as Dream as well. "

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!
 
The Wake is astonishingly beautiful, but that beauty hinges on the fact that it is a farewell to the Endless.  Bring them back, and that bittersweet magic is destroyed.
 
In comics especially, readers and creators can't help but want to stretch characters until they break.  Sandman is self contained, and if it could remain that way, it could avoid the inevitable homogenization that happens to most comic characters.

(and yes, I know there have been tons of spin-offs, some of which are quite good, but those all got great stories out of peripheral characters with cameos from the main players.  The Endless as main characters should be off limits.)
#46 Posted by gangly (107 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, the Endless are just TOO FUCKING POWERFUL to genuinely effect the events of the DCU as a whole.  Remember, the Judeo-Christian God is part of the DCU too, but you don't see it that much because God can do ANYTHING to ANYTHING.  That's a good way to loose all of the drama from your stories.

#47 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio
@gangly said:
" @kitsuneconundrum said:

" someone needs to continue the story of the endless. Death is too great a character to be left alone. If they can somehow integrate her character into the recent events, it'll be great. More of the new Daniel as Dream as well. "

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO! The Wake is astonishingly beautiful, but that beauty hinges on the fact that it is a farewell to the Endless.  Bring them back, and that bittersweet magic is destroyed.  In comics especially, readers and creators can't help but want to stretch characters until they break.  Sandman is self contained, and if it could remain that way, it could avoid the inevitable homogenization that happens to most comic characters. (and yes, I know there have been tons of spin-offs, some of which are quite good, but those all got great stories out of peripheral characters with cameos from the main players.  The Endless as main characters should be off limits.) "
Remember, this is her guest starring in one AC story, not becoming a recurring character. I don't think DC are going to make her their Deadpool.
#48 Posted by SirSparkington (342 posts) - - Show Bio

From the headline I thought that they were shutting down Vertigo. Thankfully I was wrong.

#49 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@SirSparkington said:
" From the headline I thought that they were shutting down Vertigo. Thankfully I was wrong. "
the day they shut down Vertigo don't be surprised if you also coincidentally hear news of the DC offices burning to the ground
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#50 Posted by 00 Raiser (442 posts) - - Show Bio

The character looks so cool I guess I will give this series a read to.

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