Aztek's 2010 Vertigo Comics Round Up
@-Eclipse-: ha, well thank you (after you do)
being open-minded is all I ask, I can understand when comics aren't for someone...I'm not quite sure what you are inferring by gritty since there's so many Vertigo comics running through my head right now but as I said, the open mind is all I ask...I don't like all comics but I love the fact that the medium can be so diverse and therefore still appreciate the existence of the comics I don't like personally
another thing to come to my mind is Unknown Soldier, which I mentioned in my review...again, not your typical superhero but when I think of a superhero comic...I think of a person with abilities beyond those of the average reader fighting to save the world...he doesn't have superpowers necessarily but he definitely has abilities not any joe schmoe possesses, and admittedly he goes about his saving the world in a "anti-hero" fashion...but his is the good fight
Sandman Mystery Theatre is a great series about the superheroes of the 1930's (70 issues, mostly collected in trade, eight of them so far with an expected two more in the future)...the book can be very dark (it was The Great Depression) and that may not be your thing but I think it captures a different era of superhero...Wesley Dodds is like the 1930's Batman I suppose...wealthy but driven to fight the crime that infects his city by night...the comic takes a format of "villain of the month" style as each Act (four issues) features a new villain, murderer for the most part, that Wesley Dodds must unmask and bring to justice...but this is probably the least commonly read book of all the ones I'll mention and I understand if you pass it up
and finally, to mention another thing I brought up in the review, Demo - Volume II...now, this is more for the broadening of your horizons bit...again, not too drastic as the Demo series was originally pitched as a teen superhero book, only without the superheroes (just the powers)...as in the main character of the issue will have powers, but it will be in the regular world, not a world where other people have powers...and some of the powers aren't even necessarily superpowers at all...but I feel it perfects the idea of the things that make superpowers so compelling...not the epic clashes of titans but how it gets personal with the people affected, very great character stories...I also recommend it because it's only six issues (one trade later next year) and it's not a huge commitment...you can try it, let me know what you think, and if you don't like it, you're not impoverished because of it
again, just throwing all these out there...I had the rare situation of jumping in and then telling myself after the one great comic that I was going to read them all...hopefully what you do check out you enjoy...I'll always have more titles to recommend if you're Vertigo lust arises again
I've always thought about giving Y the Last Man a try, so I'll probably get that too, even though you didn't directly suggest it to me, lol. What's the art situation like on these comics?
I can understand your thoughts on Morrison, all of his works are like that for the most part...and I admit in Doom Patrol some concepts may fly right over your head (or at least they did over mine) but it doesn't make the book any less enjoyable, it adds to the atmosphere of it...Doom Patrol was always meant to be a team of freaks...and Morrison makes the book what it should always be...a book featuring superheroes that you can admire and love but not really want to be, because they have bigger personal problems then any real people
if you mean, do you need the first to appreciate the second? no. each issue is completely it's own thing for both series'. if you are asking whether the first one is also a good read, the answer is yes. but I feel in the second series (although half the length) he outdid the first and perfected what I felt he was going for. there are a few issues in the first volume that feel out of place but others that are beautiful...it's a good read too, but it's the work of emerging talent...Demo Vol. II is the perfected piece
I understand, Unknown Soldier is gritty in that way I suppose, it is portraying a real war and so violence is necessary...I wouldn't call it gore because when I think gore I think Ennis or something, like over-the-top death and dismemberment but yeah, people get killed...I can't recall a particularly bloody scene or anything though...
As for the art...well Pia Guerra, Richard Case, Becky Cloonan and Alberto Ponticelli are all talented artists if that's what you're asking...if you want examples, I suppose I could look for some on the site:
I couldn't really find any HQ pics of Pia Guerra (Y:TLM) but you seemed like you were going to check that one out anyways :P
Richard Case's (Doom Patrol) art isn't particularly unique in that I can see it and say, that's Richard Case...but it's not bad by any means
Becky Cloonan I believe is described as having manga-like art...but I don't feel like I'm reading a manga when I see it or anything...Demo is all in black and white and she shows a lot of her sketches in the back of the issues and I really do enjoy it...maybe not everyone's style but I love it, not jaw-dropping but fits the series perfectly:
And finally, Alberto Ponticelli I don't really know from anywhere but Unknown Soldier but as I said in the review, where he surprised me is that his art style at the beginning and end seems so different (at least to me), both are good, but I can't really find any good examples on the site...and google didn't help much...maybe if you're still interested I'll try and get some for tomorrow (of both styles)
Alright, I'll look them and possibly blow my £30 Amazon voucher I got for Christmas on them, thanks for the suggestions :D
Yeah, if the first guy had stuck around the series wouldn't be nearly as popular, probably would have been cancelled after the first year, LOL
and...wow...that is...well it's hilarious that you found images that are displaying the same thing because it highlights the contrast so much more...but yes, I can see why you prefer the latter :P
Here's the contrast I was trying to find, here's a cover for the first issue done by Cory Walker, then two homages by Ryan Ottley after the costume got changed a couple of times.
@aztek the lost: Yeah, you could argue that it's the colourist, but a) initially it was the same colorst, Crabtree stayed on for almost 50 issues, I think, and b) the colourist didn't add in all the details. Ottley has a good understanding of anatomy, whereas Walker just scribbled a few lines on the figure for some reason. He always did this weird thing to noses that I hated.
@Nighthunter: Sweet Tooth? I'll search for it, lol, I thought you were talking about Chew for a second
So far Morrison's Doom Patrol and Transmetropolitan are probably my favorite. After I finish those up, I plan to look into Hellblazer and The Invisibles.
" @Nighthunter: trying to upstage me? :P but yeah...both good books, although, I know I'm probably alone in this but I think Delano's Animal Man (#51-79) was better than Morrison's (#1-26) "
never even heard of Delano's run, also his name in spanish would mean "From the anus" so eeeeeew :P (yes, I'm immature sue me)
" @The Dark Huntress said:Sure I did. ^^" This is the article you were talking about? Holy wowzers. "you didn't read a single word of it, did you?
@Darkchild: thank you, I too would have to agree that your effed in the head "
" @Silkcuts: is Gaiman even interested in comics anymore? I would have loved to have a Gaiman Swamp Thing to read...but did he actually have it already written or did he just refuse to write it and wrote that Brother Power story instead? but otherwise, seeing as I'm not a big continuity guy it's all okay to me...I wouldn't mind it if Swamp Thing was appearing under both publishers without any explanation...those concerned with continuity could follow the DC one...and those concerned with story could read the Vertigo one...but I will admit, Swamp Thing hasn't really had a successful run since Moore which is a shame...everyone so far that had talent has been ousted before they could finish "
I don't think Gaiman has a huge care for comics since he makes more money doing movies and stuff. I don't know the whole story since I never finished the dream king book, but what I know is that he plotted it and did not take the book after Veitch because of the drama. My understanding it was Gaiman and Delano next on Swampy, not Wheeler.
All I know is Swamp Thing is not handled right. Moore's was the only strong seller because it was a head of its time. Veitch's run is where the curse came....
@Nighthunter: HA! I almost wish I could speak Spanish...anyways, he is the original Hellblazer writer and he wrote a few creator-owned projects for Vertigo such as 2020 Visions, Ghostdancing and Outlaw Nation...and I'm sure most people don't know that the series had more then 26 issues (it had 89)...but yeah, Delano's run is a lot darker though, obviously it has different themes too but it was really great...Delano created the concept of The Red and Buddy became the figurehead of a new religion...I'd recommend it more but it's not in trade
@The Dark Huntress: the intro paragraph?
@Pizawle: thank you, and yes Daytripper was amazing, as a trade guy though I wish it was in trade rather then hardcover...
@Silkcuts: well, that and Gaiman does his novels (which are good but still)...I really do wish Gaiman had written or finished some of his things from those days...he was supposed to be the next big writer but besides Sandman, he never really did any comics...granted the Miracleman thing wasn't his fault but now that Marvel has the rights I want to see him finish that too...I'm actually reading Veitch's run currently...it hasn't met my expectations but it's still good...I can't wait for Tefe!
It says first in a series, however, how far they plan to take that series I don't know...are they collecting everything? Including the Hellblazer spin-offs? Or are they just collecting a little bit of his early stuff. One of the things that irks me with Vertigo is they're never up front about their trades when they collect the old stuff, they solicit a new trade but they never infer if they will collect everything else or not. Thankfully Hellblazer is for the most part already collected but a proper chronology would be much nicer on the shelf.
The very first Hellblazer collection is back in a new edition that includes John Constantine's early appearances in SWAMP THING #76-77 along with HELLBLAZER #1-9. This is the first of a series of new HELLBLAZER collections that put all his adventures in reading order, capturing Constantine at his youthful, anarchic best.
Oh, it even has the Swamp Thing stuff, I didn't know that. Hopefully it ends up being everything from start to current, but sometimes the gaps Vertigo takes between printing trades of older stuff is a bit long, hope this doesn't potentially suffer from that.
I do enjoy Gaiman and you hit it on the nail why I think he is overrated. Even today his name has so much pull, but all he really wrote was Sandman. His Swamp Thing never really saw light, Marvelman was bad luck, but even his dabbles here and there never really were ground breaking.
Veitch's run has its moments, its not moore's of course. I think it picks up when Veitch and Delano team up (TEFE)... then that goes downhill after trade 9. The Time travel story had potential... but ends badly the way it currently is.
I used to be a big Vertigo fan. I was overjoyed when the imprint started. After picking up The Unwritten #28 (see my latest review), I have to say, it doesn't seem to do much for me these days. The comics seem to be trying to do what indies do rather than what Vertigo used to do best - occupy that great middle zone between mainstream superhero and horror comics, and the wierd, off-beat and low-key independent comics world. It seems they've strayed too far toward the latter, and sacrificed the former, what with Animal Man and Swamp Thing returning to the mainstream DCU.
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