Negotiations with Sony to make Venom film underway

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#1 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio
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#2 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks for the mention.

Sounds like it could be awesome.

#3 Posted by _Cain_ (23666 posts) - - Show Bio

YESSS

#4 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

Thanks for the mention.

Sounds like it could be awesome.

It's only necessary, and the idea of the Chronicle director taking over the project is not too shabby.

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#5 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

cool. better be good one with a good actor cast and story. hope carnage is the villian.

#6 Posted by CATPANEXE (9368 posts) - - Show Bio

Believe it when I see it. That's cliche but a Venom movie has been in constant announcement since prior to a Spider-man one (James Cameron) ever being announced.

Otherwise not much faith in Sony on this. R Rated character reboot would save it, but I only know they'll cater it to sell a conjoined toy lines, merchandizing swarm, ect.

But if I get a cute plush Venom that talks and tells me in a helium voice " I wuv you! I want to eat your brains! ", I'm all for whatever they do.

In good news, I finally picked up every one of my Remender Venom comics and read them yesterday. Yay!!!

#7 Posted by The_Tree (7280 posts) - - Show Bio

Please be true! I know it will probably work out this way, but I hope that it's set in the same universe as The Amazing Spider-Man as well.

#8 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm interested if the guy who did Chronicle is involved. Otherwise, I'll pass.

Hopefully that part is true.

#9 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11368 posts) - - Show Bio

I really hope Topher Grace plays Venom again!!!!!! He did such an amazing job, ugh I loved Spider-man 3....<3

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#10 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4701 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly don't see a reason to make a Venom film.

#11 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@CATPANEXE said:

In good news, I finally picked up every one of my Remender Venom comics and read them yesterday. Yay!!!

:D

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

I really hope Topher Grace plays Venom again!!!!!! He did such an amazing job, ugh I loved Spider-man 3....<3

Please be trolling.

@sesquipedalophobe said:

I honestly don't see a reason to make a Venom film.

There's no reason to make any movie.

People just do it.

#12 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

I really hope Topher Grace plays Venom again!!!!!! He did such an amazing job, ugh I loved Spider-man 3....<3

Topher Grace was the worst possible thing that could've happened to Venom... EVER

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#13 Edited by ArturoCalaKayVee (11368 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: I thought troll was obvious. The entire post was one big mesh of bull spit haha

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#14 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

@InnerVenom123: I thought troll was obvious. The entire post was one big mesh of bull spit haha

I know.

But believe it or not, I've met some people who actually liked this movie.

And Topher as Venom.

The poor bastards.

#15 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

@InnerVenom123: I thought troll was obvious. The entire post was one big mesh of bull spit haha

I know.

But believe it or not, I've met some people who actually liked this movie.

And Topher as Venom.

The poor bastards.

Wait... people ACTUALLY like Topher Grace as an actor? I have lost faith in this world...

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#16 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11368 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: @Deranged Midget: I mean... confession... when the movie came out, I was a kid so I thought it was pretty good, but after seeing it recently, I discovered how wrong I was... please don't hate me D:

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#17 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

I know.

But believe it or not, I've met some people who actually liked this movie.

And Topher as Venom.

The poor bastards.

Wait... people ACTUALLY like Topher Grace as an actor? I have lost faith in this world...

He's not a bad actor, he was just the worst choice possible.

Well, aside from maybe a zoo animal.

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

@InnerVenom123: @Deranged Midget: I mean... confession... when the movie came out, I was a kid so I thought it was pretty good, but after seeing it recently, I discovered how wrong I was... please don't hate me D:

What matters is you learned.

#18 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: I personally never liked him... he's quite bland as an actor

@ArturoCalaKayVee: It's in the past, nbd.

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#19 Posted by RoboShark (1208 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel Flash Thompson's Venom is the way to go. They probably won't use him but it would be smart. I've always felt some studio should make a comic book film that wasn't gettin it's source material from the 60's. And make a movie from a current book every nerd would be hooked.

#20 Posted by hectorsquall (1137 posts) - - Show Bio

VENOM !!!

Always wanted an alien symbiote for myself
#21 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7668 posts) - - Show Bio

Remember the old rumors of this movie way back, still not sure about it.

#22 Edited by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

Eddie is the most logical choice.

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#23 Posted by X35 (5981 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder if they do Agent Venom since he's really big right now

If not i'm guessing Marvel will force the symbiote back onto eddie and ruin another good thing just for movies.

#24 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4701 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@sesquipedalophobe said:

I honestly don't see a reason to make a Venom film.

There's no reason to make any movie.

People just do it.

What I had meant was there are no grounds for establishing Venom as a solo character in film. He relies on the popularity of Spider-Man and Spider-Man 3 was terrible, which is the method of characterization Sony apparently intends to use. Unless they plan to completely ignore the last film altogether as they did with First Class and the Amazing Spider-Man, then no, it won't pick up just as Deadpool didn't because it really isn't in high demand except to the few fans.

Ask yourself: Does Venom have any actual enemies of his own? What would set him apart from any hero that it would urge non-fans to see it? Is it in high enough demand for 3D/4D? How will the audience relate to someone like Venom? Will he have action figures? Will it be marketable after its release? How will this be a success?

#25 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4701 posts) - - Show Bio

@X35: That would be unfortunate, I guess.

#26 Edited by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@sesquipedalophobe said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@sesquipedalophobe said:

I honestly don't see a reason to make a Venom film.

There's no reason to make any movie.

People just do it.

What I had meant was there are no grounds for establishing Venom as a solo character in film. He relies on the popularity of Spider-Man and Spider-Man 3 was terrible, which is the method of characterization Sony apparently intends to use. Unless they plan to completely ignore the last film altogether as they did with First Class and the Amazing Spider-Man, then no, it won't pick up just as Deadpool didn't because it really isn't in high demand except to the few fans.

I know you meant that. I was just messing around.

Buuuuut....

@sesquipedalophobe said:

Ask yourself: Does Venom have any actual enemies of his own? What would set him apart from any hero that it would urge non-fans to see it? Is it in high enough demand for 3D/4D? How will the audience relate to someone like Venom? Will he have action figures? Will it be marketable after its release? How will this be a success?

  • Yes. Several. The Jury, The Life Foundation Symbiotes, Carnage, Mace, The Xenophage, The Mercury Virus, Jack O'Lantern, Crime Master, The Hijacker, The Human Fly, Norman Osborn, The Redeemer, and Toxin. (That was a list for all versions of Venom, not just Eddie - there's definitely more, I just can't recall them by name).
  • No idea. If it was Eddie's Venom, I would think the visuals (he's basically a monster pretending to be a superhero), if it's Flash's, well, then the visuals again and the action movie style stuff would draw people in.
  • I dunno, maybe? Who'd wanna see Venom's tongue flying at them in 3D? That'd be weird.
  • Depends on which Venom they choose to adapt. Eddie's would be hardest to make relateable. But likeable, I think that would be easy for him. He's an entertaining psycho. There's been good movies with that idea before.
  • Well, duh. Why is that a question?
  • Depends how they make it.
  • Depends how they market it.

I'm not entirely convinced the movie would work either, I'm just saying.

#27 Edited by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget said:

Eddie is the most logical choice.

Flash could easily carry his own movie, as well.

And I think his story would be a bit easier to market than Eddie's.

@X35 said:

Wonder if they do Agent Venom since he's really big right now

If not i'm guessing Marvel will force the symbiote back onto eddie and ruin another good thing just for movies.

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY.

#28 Edited by CATPANEXE (9368 posts) - - Show Bio

@sesquipedalophobe said:

I honestly don't see a reason to make a Venom film.

Merchandising and for reason Venom sells like hotcakes. Venom wasn't originally written into the third film, and the company noted that his character pulled in a lot of attention and revenue and forced a script change (this is a probable reason Raimi ended up abandoning the franchise before his already green lit 4th and 5th films, no one likes creative interference). The same as there's no reason to consistently have Venom, another characters antagonist in his series, something Marvel has done since the characters introduction, as well as have several of his own toylines isolated from the actual Spider-man ones. Venom sells. The company notes this so highly that they have bopped the idea of a Venom movie around since the early nineties. The issue was always in actually pulling off a legit film instead of a B movie that tarnished the properties reputation and lost revenue. Noting your second post: Venom does not rely on Spider-man for popularity, that's proven itself. If anything, it could be said Venom sells as a darker version of Spider-man well enough on his own. For a long time the Spider-man comics themselves depended on the sales the symbiote characters drew in, and having them gracing the covers and what not.

#29 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't want to see Venom in another film until they reboot Daredevil and give me Dr.Strange,Namor,Iron Fist & Black Panther Films

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#30 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: I guess it would be, but I'm assuming they would follow a Spiderman film as a possibility and makes sense to follow up with Eddie. But I guess Flash would make sense since he's current.

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#31 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12930 posts) - - Show Bio

@Innervenom123: Why U No List Sin-Eater?

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#32 Edited by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm all open for new ideas. Here's how the Film could go. Eddie Brock lives an average life until a meteorite from outer-space comes down and crashes. Eddie who is really curious goes to check it out, little did he know, the meator was symbiote covered and it jumps out and covers eddie brock. Eddie becomes Venom on that day fights his antagonists and saves the day.He meets spider-man at the last five minutes of the flim and they chat about "who are you?". They both go on off their own way and the movie ends.

#33 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

@Innervenom123: Why U No List Sin-Eater?

Why the hell DIDN'T I list him? Good point.

#34 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

I don't want to see Venom in another film until they reboot Daredevil and give me Dr.Strange,Namor,Iron Fist & Black Panther Films

Ah, a reboot of Daredevil would be marvellous. Who would like to see in the role of Matt Murdock?

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#35 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

I would LOVE to watch a movie on Venom :D Now all we need now is an Ant-Man film and a Daredevil reboot...

@InnerVenom123 said:

@X35 said:

Wonder if they do Agent Venom since he's really big right now

If not i'm guessing Marvel will force the symbiote back onto eddie and ruin another good thing just for movies.

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY.

Just a lil harsh, no?

#36 Posted by k4tzm4n (40217 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget said:

@Vance Astro said:

I don't want to see Venom in another film until they reboot Daredevil and give me Dr.Strange,Namor,Iron Fist & Black Panther Films

Ah, a reboot of Daredevil would be marvellous. Who would like to see in the role of Matt Murdock?

Taylor Kitsch was rumored for that but that was debunked.

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#37 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr.obvious said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@X35 said:

Wonder if they do Agent Venom since he's really big right now

If not i'm guessing Marvel will force the symbiote back onto eddie and ruin another good thing just for movies.

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY.

Just a lil harsh, no?

I'm not being serious. So I wouldn't call it harsh.

#38 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@moywar700 said:

I'm all open for new ideas. Here's how the Film could go. Eddie Brock lives an average life until a meteorite from outer-space comes down and crashes. Eddie who is really curious goes to check it out, little did he know, the meator was symbiote covered and it jumps out and covers eddie brock. Eddie becomes Venom on that day fights his antagonists and saves the day.He meets spider-man at the last five minutes of the flim and they chat about "who are you?". They both go on off their own way and the movie ends.

Skipping over Eddie's hate of Spider-man shouldn't be the answer.

#39 Posted by k4tzm4n (40217 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: Script leaked. Here's the ending:

:P

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#40 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: I was thinking more like this, if they went with Eddie:

#41 Posted by k4tzm4n (40217 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: Oooooooooooor...

STUDIOS AND COMPANIES CANNOT CONTAIN VENOM. HE SHALL BREAK INTO OTHER MOVIES AND KILL THOSE FAR OUTSIDE HIS LEAGUE.

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#42 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: LMAO.

#43 Posted by CATPANEXE (9368 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr.obvious said:

I would LOVE to watch a movie on Venom :D Now all we need now is an Ant-Man film and a Daredevil reboot...

I want that Edgar Wright/Nick Frost/Simon Pegg: Ant-Man vehicle to come to fruition in the worst possible way.

#44 Posted by WarMachineMarkV (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

- If the upcoming Amazing Spider Man reboot makes a boatload of cash, a Venom movie riding on it's coat tails could do ok as long as they keep the budget reasonable.

- It's not a project that I really care about, but if they can make it work, the more the merrier

#45 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4701 posts) - - Show Bio

@CATPANEXE: I know he wasn't written into the third film, that Raimi was actually opposed to the idea and I know my reason for my dislikes: it was starting to remind me of Post Batman Returns way of conveying a story and just that. The way they threw him in there just didn't give me any love for the character. I didn't feel sympathy. The character acted as a parody to the protagonist, in which case they could have just cloned Spider-Man and assaulted everyone's better judgment either way.

However cool it would be to see Venom on his own, what's being thrown out there chiefly relies on the success of the earlier films. Either they scrap the character (and design), completely reboot it or they deconstruct the character to make him stand on his own. Frankly, I like the idea of an origin told or retold during the opening credits. But there's more to it than that. After the credits roll, what's next? Do they follow the same ingredients that made every Marvel/Sony film hard to wolf down or do they approach it like a cure for cancer? Easter eggs, the downtime between fights, love interests (in this case I hope there are none), the drive to lethally protect and so on.

It wouldn't be successful. Fans will hate it. Average movie goers will be confused. I will bottle the tears of everyone who disagreed, who said it just might work, and sell the vials to the highest bidders on Ebay.

#46 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

@CATPANEXE: I don't think that they're the right creative team for this project, imo. They wouldn't take the source material seriously.

#47 Edited by CATPANEXE (9368 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr.obvious: That's why I want them, along with the possible endorsement from Pixar.

@sesquipedalophobe: That's a lot of speculation and personal opinion. Movie companies and corporations likewise don't base market projections on that. So I'm kind of going to agree to just about everything that your entitled to have your personal opinions and respected for it. But...

@sesquipedalophobe said:

However cool it would be to see Venom on his own, what's being thrown out there chiefly relies on the success of the earlier films. Either they scrap the character (and design), completely reboot it or they deconstruct the character to make him stand on his own.

Again, you mean it would have this effect on you personally? Because none of that is otherwise true in the actual marketing and sales of the Venom character, nor ever has been, and proven as such. I could easily equate any of that to the Punisher. Or Elektra is a better example actually. Or Wolverine not being tied to Hulk. And the reboot factor is moot. The entire film continuity was just scrapped and is being rebooted. Either way audiences already know who Venom is essentially, as they did Elektra. These little details only matter to comic book fans, who in fact represent the minority share of world wide film going audiences. We pretty much low ball every comic book film, because we have too high of expectations. The rest of the movie goer audience doesn't share our comic book nostalgia whatsoever.

@CATPANEXE said:

@sesquipedalophobe said:

I honestly don't see a reason to make a Venom film.

Merchandising and for reason Venom sells like hotcakes. Venom wasn't originally written into the third film, and the company noted that his character pulled in a lot of attention and revenue and forced a script change (this is a probable reason Raimi ended up abandoning the franchise before his already green lit 4th and 5th films, no one likes creative interference). The same as there's no reason to consistently have Venom, another characters antagonist in his series, something Marvel has done since the characters introduction, as well as have several of his own toylines isolated from the actual Spider-man ones. Venom sells. The company notes this so highly that they have bopped the idea of a Venom movie around since the early nineties. The issue was always in actually pulling off a legit film instead of a B movie that tarnished the properties reputation and lost revenue. Noting your second post: Venom does not rely on Spider-man for popularity, that's proven itself. If anything, it could be said Venom sells as a darker version of Spider-man well enough on his own. For a long time the Spider-man comics themselves depended on the sales the symbiote characters drew in, and having them gracing the covers and what not.

#48 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr.obvious said:

I would LOVE to watch a movie on Venom :D Now all we need now is an Ant-Man film and a Daredevil reboot..

I knew I liked you. Ant-Man <3

#49 Edited by sesquipedalophobe (4701 posts) - - Show Bio

@CATPANEXE said:

@sesquipedalophobe: That's a lot of speculation and personal opinion. Movie companies and corporations likewise don't base market projections on that. So I'm kind of going to agree to just about everything that your entitled to have your personal opinions and respected for it. But...

@sesquipedalophobe said:

However cool it would be to see Venom on his own, what's being thrown out there chiefly relies on the success of the earlier films. Either they scrap the character (and design), completely reboot it or they deconstruct the character to make him stand on his own.

Again, you mean it would have this effect on you personally? Because none of that is otherwise true in the actual marketing and sales of the Venom character, nor ever has been, and proven as such. I could easily equate any of that to the Punisher. Or Elektra is a better example actually. Or Wolverine not being tied to Hulk. And the reboot factor is moot. The entire film continuity was just scrapped and is being rebooted. Either way audiences already know who Venom is essentially, as they did Elektra. These little details only matter to comic book fans, who in fact represent the minority share of world wide film going audiences. We pretty much low ball every comic book film, because we have too high of expectations. The rest of the movie goer audience doesn't share our comic book nostalgia whatsoever.

@CATPANEXE said:

@sesquipedalophobe said:

I honestly don't see a reason to make a Venom film.

Merchandising and for reason Venom sells like hotcakes. Venom wasn't originally written into the third film, and the company noted that his character pulled in a lot of attention and revenue and forced a script change (this is a probable reason Raimi ended up abandoning the franchise before his already green lit 4th and 5th films, no one likes creative interference). The same as there's no reason to consistently have Venom, another characters antagonist in his series, something Marvel has done since the characters introduction, as well as have several of his own toylines isolated from the actual Spider-man ones. Venom sells. The company notes this so highly that they have bopped the idea of a Venom movie around since the early nineties. The issue was always in actually pulling off a legit film instead of a B movie that tarnished the properties reputation and lost revenue. Noting your second post: Venom does not rely on Spider-man for popularity, that's proven itself. If anything, it could be said Venom sells as a darker version of Spider-man well enough on his own. For a long time the Spider-man comics themselves depended on the sales the symbiote characters drew in, and having them gracing the covers and what not.

Reposting does nothing for me. I understood everything, but in terms of the critics' reviews and the disappointment of the fans how would they honestly justify reconciling the character to the fans using the apparent arced Spider-Man/Sony universe and still allow him to be his own man? Eating brains (didn't do this in Spider-Man 3 so woe upon fans), exacting justice, jumping from host to host, from the teeth to the faceless expression squinting in a Spider-Manesque style while spraying bullets: what do fans expect and how should the director handle a character whose origin relies on something as iconic and still more prone to honest review and keep a manageable franchise itself?

Yes, Venom has shirts, brass slammers, figurines, a variety of segments in the Ultimate Spider-Man's game, massive and boring stories where he's overcoming sound, fire and his own instincts with the hopes of overcoming Spider-Man, statues, fan art, party plates and balloons, knockoffs and costumes, and outside of that he is as marketable as Schopenhauer is to the illiterati. Mention Spider-Man and it's instant success (within reason). Mention a spin-off and it's held to scrutiny, which should be the case with any Marvel film.

#50 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Not a bad choice, but it wouldn't be my pick.

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