Uncanny X-men/Dark Avengers crossover

#1 Posted by Nighthunter (29559 posts) - - Show Bio

The X-Men have long been a force to be reckoned with in the Marvel Universe, and whenever major events ripple through the social or super heroic superstructure of it, somehow, the mutants trained by Professor Charles Xavier find themselves front and center.

Marvel’s current Dark Reign, which sees the villains of the Marvel Universe secretly in charge of the world is no different. And a reckoning is coming.

Backing things up a little – the X-Men and Norman Osborn, the man in charge of the Marvel Universe following Secret Invasiondid have an understanding.

As Uncanny X-Men writer Matt Fraction explains it: “When Norman ‘won,’ he got together some of the biggest superpowers left and said, ‘We won. This is how it should work,’ and set about carving the world up like a slice of pie. Emma [Frost, of the X-Men] was one of those included, and the agreement was simple – ‘I don’t want to deal with mutants, so you keep them quiet. Keep your people out of my affairs, and I’ll make sure the government doesn’t come for you.’ Mutants are an endangered species, there are no more being born, they’re being murdered and hunted and are still hated and despised, and Emma thought that sounded like a pretty good deal, so she took it.”

Beginning in June though, that agreement starts to fall apart. The Dark Avengers and Uncanny X-Men’s worlds will come together in an opening one-shot, cross-over for the respective July and August issues (Uncanny #513 and #514 and Dark Avengers #7 and #8) of the respective series, and conclude in another one-shot in September, all written by Fraction, with Dark Avengers writer Brian Bendis advising.

 We spoke with Fraction for more on the meeting of the groups of equal resolve.

Newsarama: Matt, first off, this is a pretty big event, both in the number of books and scope covered within the Marvel Universe under Dark Reign. How did you end up writing it all? Obviously, you write Uncanny, but it seems like Dark Avengers would be a book you’d have to pry out of Brian’s cold, dead fingers...

Matt Fraction: I think Brian thought I had a good grip on it, and he’s doing his stuff, and we talk a lot – there’s a lot of overlap and a lot of coordination between us right now just to make sure his moving part and my moving parts are all moving in congress with one another.

Without getting too into the story, it all ultimately ended up making sense. It’s a huge vote of confidence from Brian, it’s going to be big and crazy, and obviously, it’s going to be mine to blow. If it sucks, I don’t get to blame Brian anymore. [laughs]

NRAMA: Touching on the story lightly then – it’s safe to assume that Norman and Emma’s deal...goes south?

MF: The deal was “Keep your people quiet, and I’ll keep H.A.M.M.E.R. out of your business.” And her people don’t stay quiet. Again, not to get too specific, a H.A.M.M.E.R. presence is required in San Francisco, and all hell comes with them.

NRAMA: With Cyclops' increasingly aggressive stance on protecting the remaining mutants of the world—will readers be seeing a more tenacious X-Men as they face off against the Dark Avengers?

MF: Tenacious? Hell no. Cyclops has endured countless nervous breakdowns and crises of faith and confidence because he was irrevocably heading towards this very moment. He's been raised to be a general his entire life, whether he wants to admit it or not. And now the war the survival of his species has gone hot on his doorstep. Tenacious is absolutely not the word I'd use. Resolute, maybe.
This is it. This is the big one.

NRAMA: Are the kid gloves going to be off for this confrontation? Will there be any bloodshed or casualties?

MF: This ain't one of those stories that the teams can settle by a rousing game of softball, no.

NRAMA: You've indicated recently that things are only going to keep getting worse for the X-Men; will this run-in with the Avengers be another nail in their coffin? Will this fight cause ramifications across the board in all the X-line?

MF: Things are certainly dire, and the stakes are certainly high, and through it all there are still no more mutants being born. And this confrontation propels the whole of the Marvel Universe forward, whether it's the Avengers family or the X-Men family of stories. What comes next is as inevitable as the sunrise.
We've both got some big stories to tell—here's where they intersect.

NRAMA: The power structure of the Marvel Universe has been turned on it’s ear over the past several years—are things going to get worse? Are the heroes of the Marvel Universe in grave danger as more and more of the villains of the Earth become more organized?

MF: Yeah, absolutely. There's nothing more disastrous than these guys getting mad and organized, especially when the heroes have been brought to their lowest points across the board.

NRAMA: For you as a writer, how does the whole ‘game change’ aspect to the Marvel Universe that ‘Dark Reign’ represents affect you in doing your job?

MF: It’s great – you never get to write like this, so it’s a lot of fun. And what comes out of the X-Men/Dark Avengers story is big - it’s another game changer on top of the earlier game changers. It’s virgin territory for these kinds of stories. The bad guys have never won this big before – this...perpetually before, so it’s a blast because we’ve never gotten to put the heroes through wringers like this before. It’s a lot of fun.

NRAMA: Speaking of the Dark Avengers, this is your first time with most of them, correct?

MF: I haven’t written any of them before – it’s a treasure trove of bad guys. I’ve wanted to write Bullseye for years. I wanted to do Bullseye stuff in Punisher, but we couldn’t because of where the character was, so I’ve had a mad-on for Bullseye for a long time. As for Norman – well, I’ve written Norman before, and love writing him. I love the stuff that’s happened with Moonstone that Warren did in Thunderbolts; and Marvel Boy is really fun – he’s a terrific and underrated Grant Morrison character that’s just a wellspring of great stuff. And Venom for god’s sake – it’s the Avengers of evil. Who doesn’t want to write them?

NRAMA: Big event run-ins like this always draw slight amounts of skepticism—especially when they tout the idea that everyone involved will have their lives altered forever. Forever is a long time and pretty big talk; here's your chance to back it up.

MF: Nothing gold can stay, Pony Boy. Nothing lasts forever. Everybody dies. Everything ends. Maybe that all starts here.

#2 Posted by pixelized (49086 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
MF: The deal was “Keep your people quiet, and I’ll keep H.A.M.M.E.R. out of your business.” And her people don’t stay quiet. Again, not to get too specific, a H.A.M.M.E.R. presence is required in San Francisco, and all hell comes with them.
This reminds me of when the Institute was monitored by sentinels.
#3 Posted by King Hyperion (4421 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't wait for this...


#4 Posted by John Valentine (16416 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope Cyclops kills Norman.

#5 Posted by Nighthunter (29559 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope Norman kills Cyclops

#6 Posted by John Valentine (16416 posts) - - Show Bio

John Valentine said:

"I hope Cyclops kills Norman."


 

#7 Posted by pixelized (49086 posts) - - Show Bio

Like Emma would let Norman kill Cyclops

#8 Posted by Andferne (38280 posts) - - Show Bio
King Hyperion said:
"I can't wait for this...

"
...ah crap

lol
#9 Posted by John Valentine (16416 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"Like Emma would let Norman kill Cyclops
"
Drifter seems to think so.
#10 Posted by Nighthunter (29559 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
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John Valentine said:

"I hope Cyclops kills Norman."


 

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Nighthunter
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"I hope Norman kills Cyclops
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#11 Posted by John Valentine (16416 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"John Valentine said:
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John Valentine said:

"I hope Cyclops kills Norman."


 

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Nighthunter
said:
"I hope Norman kills Cyclops
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John Valentine said:
"I hope Cyclops kills Norman."

#12 Posted by Giuseppe Riccadonna (2080 posts) - - Show Bio

DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

#13 Posted by Qoheed (102 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma kills Dumbledore.

#14 Posted by danhimself (21281 posts) - - Show Bio

i wish i could get excited about anything related to dark reign...

#15 Posted by pixelized (49086 posts) - - Show Bio

How come?

#16 Posted by danhimself (21281 posts) - - Show Bio

it just seems... unbelievable....to me

why would everyone put there trust in a well known psychopath so easily?
#17 Posted by Legacy_ (11034 posts) - - Show Bio

WOW!!!

#18 Posted by Giuseppe Riccadonna (2080 posts) - - Show Bio
danhimself said:
"it just seems... unbelievable....to me
why would everyone put there trust in a well known psychopath so easily?
"

Not so easily. He been leader of the Thunderbolts and people thought he was over his craziness or whatever and when he shot the Queen everyone was finally willing to fully accept him.
#19 Posted by danhimself (21281 posts) - - Show Bio
Giuseppe Riccadonna said:
"danhimself said:
"it just seems... unbelievable....to me
why would everyone put there trust in a well known psychopath so easily?
"

Not so easily. He been leader of the Thunderbolts and people thought he was over his craziness or whatever and when he shot the Queen everyone was finally willing to fully accept him."
yeah i know all that but if jeffery dahmer were the head of the c.i.a. would you be happy about that or scared sh!tless about what the psycho might do
#20 Posted by pixelized (49086 posts) - - Show Bio
danhimself said:
"it just seems... unbelievable....to me
why would everyone put there trust in a well known psychopath so easily?
"
He was their savior!
#21 Posted by Andferne (38280 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"Drifter seems to think so."
Well you know what they say about opinions.

pixelized said:
"Like Emma would let Norman kill Cyclops"
Agreed.
#22 Posted by John Valentine (16416 posts) - - Show Bio
Andferne said:
"John Valentine said:
"Drifter seems to think so."
Well you know what they say about opinions.

Haha, they're like @ssholes :P?
#23 Posted by Andferne (38280 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"Haha, they're like @ssholes :P?"
Exactly. ^^
#24 Posted by mercster (14 posts) - - Show Bio

X-men have been shown to be a tough team in the X-books but since they aren't really part on the main Marvel U continuity, I know they exist in the same universe, but they are always separate.... They get their obligatory event tie in, civil war x-men, the Secret Invasion X-men mini and the X-men WWH tie ins were all pointless. I mean they were never serious about involving the X-men in any of those stories, if they were they would get atleast an appearance in the main books or have a plot line developed.

When the X-books were using the Shi'ar they weren't even mentioned in the Annihilation or its sequel.  When 16 million mutants died in Genosha, Shield was nowhere to be found (I know Fury says its not American soil in Astonishing). I dont know if it is editorially mandated that the two be kept separate within the same universe, I see why that might be so, to not clutter up continuity so much for X-fans who are only into the franchise wont be interested in the Avengers or vice versa... Like the Ultimate line functions for the M U proper; an alternative. Ever since Emma turned out to be part of the Cabal, they separatist stance of X-men was going to come to an end, also I was worried Cyclops and his X-men were going to be treated like chumps but since Fraction is writing the whole thing, even Dark Avengers issues maybe they will be shown as a force to be reckoned with. Cyclops especially, he has a lot of haters. Of the few people I know who follow comics, the ones who hate him are the ones who like Wolverine better. All this wolverine popularity overshadows a great character.
I wrote this somewhere else too, but I like to share how cool I think cyclops as a character is, I dont know if Warren Ellis wrote this, Wiki-quote seems to think so : "Cyclops is the best superhero in the world. He is, as far as I'm concerned, the Batman. He's been in intensive training since his early teenage years to lead the first-ever mutant rescue and security team. This is a guy who gets up every morning asking himself how he can be better."

#25 Posted by Nighthunter (29559 posts) - - Show Bio
danhimself said:
"it just seems... unbelievable....to me
why would everyone put there trust in a well known psychopath so easily?
"
ain't he the former director of the thunderbolt program? the one that is supposed to prove that the villains can be good given a second chance?

meh who am I kidding, we all know that one day he'll lose it and that's when the dark reign will end
#26 Posted by bioghost (1275 posts) - - Show Bio

any idea how the x-men will handle the "sentry" promblem
if they have any hope on beating moonstone, iron patriot, and poosible ares.

#27 Posted by pixelized (49086 posts) - - Show Bio

Pixie Defeats Sentry!

And Dazzler Defeats Moonstone!

#28 Posted by bioghost (1275 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"Pixie Defeats Sentry!

And Dazzler Defeats Moonstone!
"

o_O ??????
#29 Posted by pixelized (49086 posts) - - Show Bio
bioghost said:
"pixelized said:
"Pixie Defeats Sentry!

And Dazzler Defeats Moonstone!
"

o_O ??????"
Yup! Pixie Teleports Sentry to Limbo and Dazzler.... finds a way to handle Moonstone.
#30 Posted by Erik (32504 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"bioghost said:
"pixelized said:
"Pixie Defeats Sentry!

And Dazzler Defeats Moonstone!
"

o_O ??????"
Yup! Pixie Teleports Sentry to Limbo and Dazzler.... finds a way to handle Moonstone.
"
I would not mind seeing that. Buff that Pixie up.
#31 Posted by bioghost (1275 posts) - - Show Bio

won't pixie need to
1. get close enough to sentry without getting her head rip off
2. have the guts to actually do it.
3. not sure she want to go back to the limbo (depend what happen in the X-inferno)
4. and pray to god that sentry doesn't make up an antor power to get himself out of limbo

dazzler well i got nothing to say for her.

#32 Posted by pixelized (49086 posts) - - Show Bio

maybe

#33 Posted by SUNMAN (7374 posts) - - Show Bio
mercster said:
"X-men have been shown to be a tough team in the X-books but since they aren't really part on the main Marvel U continuity, I know they exist in the same universe, but they are always separate.... They get their obligatory event tie in, civil war x-men, the Secret Invasion X-men mini and the X-men WWH tie ins were all pointless. I mean they were never serious about involving the X-men in any of those stories, if they were they would get atleast an appearance in the main books or have a plot line developed.

When the X-books were using the Shi'ar they weren't even mentioned in the Annihilation or its sequel.  When 16 million mutants died in Genosha, Shield was nowhere to be found (I know Fury says its not American soil in Astonishing). I dont know if it is editorially mandated that the two be kept separate within the same universe, I see why that might be so, to not clutter up continuity so much for X-fans who are only into the franchise wont be interested in the Avengers or vice versa... Like the Ultimate line functions for the M U proper; an alternative. Ever since Emma turned out to be part of the Cabal, they separatist stance of X-men was going to come to an end, also I was worried Cyclops and his X-men were going to be treated like chumps but since Fraction is writing the whole thing, even Dark Avengers issues maybe they will be shown as a force to be reckoned with. Cyclops especially, he has a lot of haters. Of the few people I know who follow comics, the ones who hate him are the ones who like Wolverine better. All this wolverine popularity overshadows a great character.
I wrote this somewhere else too, but I like to share how cool I think cyclops as a character is, I dont know if Warren Ellis wrote this, Wiki-quote seems to think so : "Cyclops is the best superhero in the world. He is, as far as I'm concerned, the Batman. He's been in intensive training since his early teenage years to lead the first-ever mutant rescue and security team. This is a guy who gets up every morning asking himself how he can be better."


agreed
#34 Posted by bioghost (1275 posts) - - Show Bio

on what?

#35 Posted by pixelized (49086 posts) - - Show Bio

huh?

#36 Posted by bioghost (1275 posts) - - Show Bio

that pixie can actually fight sentry without getting kill in process. (or sent him to limbo)

#37 Posted by pixelized (49086 posts) - - Show Bio

Anything could happen, i was kidding though.

#38 Posted by bioghost (1275 posts) - - Show Bio

oh. kinda hard to tell.

#39 Posted by pixelized (49086 posts) - - Show Bio

i'll start putting smiley faces
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

#40 Posted by bioghost (1275 posts) - - Show Bio


o_o

my serious face

#41 Posted by Calix (489 posts) - - Show Bio

Am looking forward to this. I'm pretty sure we know that Daken will own Wolverine once more but Cyclops versus Norman should be an interesting to say the least.

No offense to Norman but this is Scott were dealing with the guy is a superb leader who has ever since Astonishing been writing checks that he is all to willing to cash. The guy took on Apoc, Kruun and a host of others and lived to fight another day he took on the Eternals for crying out loud. Osborn is wearing a suit he reversed engineered based on Stark's armor all nice and well but he is no Stark.

Sentry is not a concern because he need only to face of with Emma and that battle is a forgone conclusion, sure Osborn is showing him a new light but the guy got owned by Mastermind and not even one of the Lady Mastermind who proved to be more powerful and creative than their father. Emma will be doing laps around Fabio.

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