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What makes the ULTIMATE universe significantly different?

Topic started by Holaso on May 1, 2008. Last post by Marshall Madness 2 months, 1 week ago.
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What makes the ULTIMATE universe significantly different? If you were to describe the main universe against the ultimate universe.

I thought I read somewhere that it was geared towards more mature audiences?

Are the plots and story arcs more involved? Can your average reader distinguish characters between the main universe and the ultimate universe?

What makes the Ultimate universe a must read? It seems that it would splinter the readership rather than bring NEW readers in.

Tell me more.


What makes the ULTIMATE universe significantly different? If you were to describe the main universe against the ultimate universe.

I thought I read somewhere that it was geared towards more mature audiences?

Are the plots and story arcs more involved? Can your average reader distinguish characters between the main universe and the ultimate universe?

What makes the Ultimate universe a must read? It seems that it would splinter the readership rather than bring NEW readers in.

Tell me more.


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I think ultimate is a way to sell the same ideas again.


I think ultimate is a way to sell the same ideas again.


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its also more politically correct.


its also more politically correct.


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Everyone is signicantly younger.


Everyone is signicantly younger.


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To me its just one big, "What If"

What if the Scarlet Witch and her brother had a creepy relationship.

What if Gambit was killed by the Juggernaut

What if Captain America was more then Peak Human

What if the Hulk had never been green.

I'm sure fans of the Ultimate Universe could tell you the exact differences. But I've never really got the purpose.


To me its just one big, "What If"

What if the Scarlet Witch and her brother had a creepy relationship.

What if Gambit was killed by the Juggernaut

What if Captain America was more then Peak Human

What if the Hulk had never been green.

I'm sure fans of the Ultimate Universe could tell you the exact differences. But I've never really got the purpose.


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Gambler says:

"To me its just one big, "What If""

I agree, it's just another "Elseworld" to me...

M


Gambler says:

"To me its just one big, "What If""

I agree, it's just another "Elseworld" to me...

M


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Methos says:

"Gambler says:
"To me its just one big, "What If""

I agree, it's just another "Elseworld" to me...

M

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Yes, but an inredibly wide Elseworld! :P

/CG


Methos says:

"Gambler says:
"To me its just one big, "What If""

I agree, it's just another "Elseworld" to me...

M

"

Yes, but an inredibly wide Elseworld! :P

/CG


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It is supposed to be a modern re-imagining of the Marvel universe and geared to new readership that have no idea of continuity. It supposedly marries the essence or core story of each character with a modern take as well new imaginings. As i see it.
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It is supposed to be a modern re-imagining of the Marvel universe and geared to new readership that have no idea of continuity. It supposedly marries the essence or core story of each character with a modern take as well new imaginings. As i see it.
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It's just another alternate reality.


It's just another alternate reality.


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fesak says:

"It's just another alternate reality."

Technically, that's Earth-616 too... :P

/CG


fesak says:

"It's just another alternate reality."

Technically, that's Earth-616 too... :P

/CG


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TheCleverGuy says:

"fesak says:
"It's just another alternate reality."

Technically, that's Earth-616 too... :P

/CG"

True, but since Earth-616 is referred to as the main reality all others must be alternate realities.

If i'm not forgetting anything Marvel currently publishes ongoing stories in five separate realities + Exiles.


TheCleverGuy says:

"fesak says:
"It's just another alternate reality."

Technically, that's Earth-616 too... :P

/CG"

True, but since Earth-616 is referred to as the main reality all others must be alternate realities.

If i'm not forgetting anything Marvel currently publishes ongoing stories in five separate realities + Exiles.


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fesak says:

"TheCleverGuy says:
"fesak says:
"It's just another alternate reality."

Technically, that's Earth-616 too... :P

/CG"

True, but since Earth-616 is referred to as the main reality all others must be alternate realities.

If i'm not forgetting anything Marvel currently publishes ongoing stories in five separate realities + Exiles.

"

Let's see...

  • Earth-616

  • Earth-1610 (Ultimate)

  • Earth-31916 (Supremeverse; not sure if anything is currently published)

  • Marvel Adventures?

  • ??????????

/CG


fesak says:

"TheCleverGuy says:
"fesak says:
"It's just another alternate reality."

Technically, that's Earth-616 too... :P

/CG"

True, but since Earth-616 is referred to as the main reality all others must be alternate realities.

If i'm not forgetting anything Marvel currently publishes ongoing stories in five separate realities + Exiles.

"

Let's see...

  • Earth-616

  • Earth-1610 (Ultimate)

  • Earth-31916 (Supremeverse; not sure if anything is currently published)

  • Marvel Adventures?

  • ??????????

/CG


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TheCleverGuy says:

"fesak says:
"TheCleverGuy says:
"fesak says:
"It's just another alternate reality."

Technically, that's Earth-616 too... :P

/CG"

True, but since Earth-616 is referred to as the main reality all others must be alternate realities.

If i'm not forgetting anything Marvel currently publishes ongoing stories in five separate realities + Exiles.

"

Let's see...

  • Earth-616

  • Earth-1610 (Ultimate)

  • Earth-31916 (Supremeverse; not sure if anything is currently published)

  • Marvel Adventures?

  • ??????????

/CG"

Ah, yes. I forgot about Marvel Adventures. The others are:

  • Earth-555 (newuniversal)

  • Earth-5631 (Power Pack)

  • Earth-982 (MC2)

And also the upcoming GeNext series, which takes place in the X-Men: The End reality.

It's kind of funny when Joe Q says that there are only two marvel universes: Regular and Ultimate.


TheCleverGuy says:

"fesak says:
"TheCleverGuy says:
"fesak says:
"It's just another alternate reality."

Technically, that's Earth-616 too... :P

/CG"

True, but since Earth-616 is referred to as the main reality all others must be alternate realities.

If i'm not forgetting anything Marvel currently publishes ongoing stories in five separate realities + Exiles.

"

Let's see...

  • Earth-616

  • Earth-1610 (Ultimate)

  • Earth-31916 (Supremeverse; not sure if anything is currently published)

  • Marvel Adventures?

  • ??????????

/CG"

Ah, yes. I forgot about Marvel Adventures. The others are:

  • Earth-555 (newuniversal)

  • Earth-5631 (Power Pack)

  • Earth-982 (MC2)

And also the upcoming GeNext series, which takes place in the X-Men: The End reality.

It's kind of funny when Joe Q says that there are only two marvel universes: Regular and Ultimate.


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fesak says:

"Ah, yes. I forgot about Marvel Adventures. The others are:* Earth-555 (newuniversal)* Earth-5631 (Power Pack)* Earth-982 (MC2)And also the upcoming GeNext series, which takes place in the X-Men: The End reality.It's kind of funny when Joe Q says that there are only two marvel universes: Regular and Ultimate."

I read somewhere Power Pack and Marvel Adventures were the same reality... :P

/CG


fesak says:

"Ah, yes. I forgot about Marvel Adventures. The others are:* Earth-555 (newuniversal)* Earth-5631 (Power Pack)* Earth-982 (MC2)And also the upcoming GeNext series, which takes place in the X-Men: The End reality.It's kind of funny when Joe Q says that there are only two marvel universes: Regular and Ultimate."

I read somewhere Power Pack and Marvel Adventures were the same reality... :P

/CG


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Power Pack is set in Earth-5631 (ref: All-New Ohotmu A to Z 10)

Marvel adventures is set in Earth-20051. (numbered in some issue of Marvel Adventures: Fantastic Four)


Power Pack is set in Earth-5631 (ref: All-New Ohotmu A to Z 10)

Marvel adventures is set in Earth-20051. (numbered in some issue of Marvel Adventures: Fantastic Four)


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I wonder what Earth-1 is like.


I wonder what Earth-1 is like.


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Slinger says:

"I wonder what Earth-1 is like."

You're living in it now...


Slinger says:

"I wonder what Earth-1 is like."

You're living in it now...


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According to marvel our world is Earth-1218


According to marvel our world is Earth-1218


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fesak says:

"According to marvel our world is Earth-1218"

Well, if that's so, how can deadpool be there and then back at Marvel earth-616?


fesak says:

"According to marvel our world is Earth-1218"

Well, if that's so, how can deadpool be there and then back at Marvel earth-616?


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Can't we just agree that Marvel rocks? LoL.


Can't we just agree that Marvel rocks? LoL.


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Shaper says:

"fesak says:
"According to marvel our world is Earth-1218"

Well, if that's so, how can deadpool be there and then back at Marvel earth-616?"

I don't understand what you mean.


Shaper says:

"fesak says:
"According to marvel our world is Earth-1218"

Well, if that's so, how can deadpool be there and then back at Marvel earth-616?"

I don't understand what you mean.


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fesak says:

"Shaper says:
"fesak says:
"According to marvel our world is Earth-1218"
Well, if that's so, how can deadpool be there and then back at Marvel earth-616?"
I don't understand what you mean."

In one of the Deadpool comics he went to the Marvel office and wanted the writer to tell him where Taskmaster was. I know he can break the 4th wall, but, if our universe is part of their multiverse, how is that breaking the 4th wall?


fesak says:

"Shaper says:
"fesak says:
"According to marvel our world is Earth-1218"
Well, if that's so, how can deadpool be there and then back at Marvel earth-616?"
I don't understand what you mean."

In one of the Deadpool comics he went to the Marvel office and wanted the writer to tell him where Taskmaster was. I know he can break the 4th wall, but, if our universe is part of their multiverse, how is that breaking the 4th wall?


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Shaper says:

"fesak says:
"Shaper says:
"fesak says:
"According to marvel our world is Earth-1218"
Well, if that's so, how can deadpool be there and then back at Marvel earth-616?"
I don't understand what you mean."

In one of the Deadpool comics he went to the Marvel office and wanted the writer to tell him where Taskmaster was. I know he can break the 4th wall, but, if our universe is part of their multiverse, how is that breaking the 4th wall?"

Marvel has an office in Earth-616 too, he probably went to that one. I know others has been there to discuss their own comics like Nova for example.

I don't know how it works with him breaking the fourth wall, but i suspect that if you would ask marvel about it they would just say it's because of his insanity.


Shaper says:

"fesak says:
"Shaper says:
"fesak says:
"According to marvel our world is Earth-1218"
Well, if that's so, how can deadpool be there and then back at Marvel earth-616?"
I don't understand what you mean."

In one of the Deadpool comics he went to the Marvel office and wanted the writer to tell him where Taskmaster was. I know he can break the 4th wall, but, if our universe is part of their multiverse, how is that breaking the 4th wall?"

Marvel has an office in Earth-616 too, he probably went to that one. I know others has been there to discuss their own comics like Nova for example.

I don't know how it works with him breaking the fourth wall, but i suspect that if you would ask marvel about it they would just say it's because of his insanity.


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Oh well, I didn't know their was a marvel office in earth-616. My bad.


Oh well, I didn't know their was a marvel office in earth-616. My bad.


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Oh well, I didn't know their was a marvel office in earth-616. My bad.


Oh well, I didn't know their was a marvel office in earth-616. My bad.


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I think the Ultimate Universe is mainly for new readers like myself who get intimidated by the decades of back-story in the mainstream universe. I have honestly read more Ultimate comics than 616 ones simply because its simpler and easy to get into and it was starting around the time I got into comics. Ultimate comics are also almost the only Marvel comics that I see in some book stores like barnes & noble.

As for what makes the Ult. U different, its more modern with younger characters over-all, the explanations of things are meant to be more plausible (less magic and far-out dimensions to explain powers). There is also a unifying theme or two, like the genetic arms race


I think the Ultimate Universe is mainly for new readers like myself who get intimidated by the decades of back-story in the mainstream universe. I have honestly read more Ultimate comics than 616 ones simply because its simpler and easy to get into and it was starting around the time I got into comics. Ultimate comics are also almost the only Marvel comics that I see in some book stores like barnes & noble.

As for what makes the Ult. U different, its more modern with younger characters over-all, the explanations of things are meant to be more plausible (less magic and far-out dimensions to explain powers). There is also a unifying theme or two, like the genetic arms race


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fesak says:

"TheCleverGuy says:
"fesak says:
"TheCleverGuy says:
"fesak says:
"It's just another alternate reality."
Technically, that's Earth-616 too... :P /CG"
True, but since Earth-616 is referred to as the main reality all others must be alternate realities. If i'm not forgetting anything Marvel currently publishes ongoing stories in five separate realities + Exiles. "
Let's see... * Earth-616 * Earth-1610 (Ultimate) * Earth-31916 (Supremeverse; not sure if anything is currently published) * Marvel Adventures? * ?????????? /CG"
Ah, yes. I forgot about Marvel Adventures. The others are: * Earth-555 (newuniversal) * Earth-5631 (Power Pack) * Earth-982 (MC2) And also the upcoming GeNext series, which takes place in the X-Men: The End reality. It's kind of funny when Joe Q says that there are only two marvel universes: Regular and Ultimate."

i'm pretty sure GeNext isn't taking place in the X-men: the end's reality, GeNext is supposed to be a reality where the marvel universe aged in real time, focusing on the x-men, i think it'll have it's own new reality


fesak says:

"TheCleverGuy says:
"fesak says:
"TheCleverGuy says:
"fesak says:
"It's just another alternate reality."
Technically, that's Earth-616 too... :P /CG"
True, but since Earth-616 is referred to as the main reality all others must be alternate realities. If i'm not forgetting anything Marvel currently publishes ongoing stories in five separate realities + Exiles. "
Let's see... * Earth-616 * Earth-1610 (Ultimate) * Earth-31916 (Supremeverse; not sure if anything is currently published) * Marvel Adventures? * ?????????? /CG"
Ah, yes. I forgot about Marvel Adventures. The others are: * Earth-555 (newuniversal) * Earth-5631 (Power Pack) * Earth-982 (MC2) And also the upcoming GeNext series, which takes place in the X-Men: The End reality. It's kind of funny when Joe Q says that there are only two marvel universes: Regular and Ultimate."

i'm pretty sure GeNext isn't taking place in the X-men: the end's reality, GeNext is supposed to be a reality where the marvel universe aged in real time, focusing on the x-men, i think it'll have it's own new reality


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Black Nick Fury.


Black Nick Fury.


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the human Juggernaut says:

"its also more politically correct."

False.

Sling Shot says:

"It is supposed to be a modern re-imagining of the Marvel universe and geared to new readership that have no idea of continuity. It supposedly marries the essence or core story of each character with a modern take as well new imaginings. As i see it."

Correct.


the human Juggernaut says:

"its also more politically correct."

False.

Sling Shot says:

"It is supposed to be a modern re-imagining of the Marvel universe and geared to new readership that have no idea of continuity. It supposedly marries the essence or core story of each character with a modern take as well new imaginings. As i see it."

Correct.


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danhimself says:

"fesak says:
"TheCleverGuy says:
"fesak says:
"TheCleverGuy says:
"fesak says:
"It's just another alternate reality."
Technically, that's Earth-616 too... :P /CG"
True, but since Earth-616 is referred to as the main reality all others must be alternate realities. If i'm not forgetting anything Marvel currently publishes ongoing stories in five separate realities + Exiles. "
Let's see... * Earth-616 * Earth-1610 (Ultimate) * Earth-31916 (Supremeverse; not sure if anything is currently published) * Marvel Adventures? * ?????????? /CG"
Ah, yes. I forgot about Marvel Adventures. The others are: * Earth-555 (newuniversal) * Earth-5631 (Power Pack) * Earth-982 (MC2) And also the upcoming GeNext series, which takes place in the X-Men: The End reality. It's kind of funny when Joe Q says that there are only two marvel universes: Regular and Ultimate."

i'm pretty sure GeNext isn't taking place in the X-men: the end's reality, GeNext is supposed to be a reality where the marvel universe aged in real time, focusing on the x-men, i think it'll have it's own new reality"

I thought so too, but Chris Claremont said it himself.

"Chris Claremont says:The events of GeNext occur in the same story continuity and subsequent to the key events (that is, all save the epilogue) of X-Men: the End. All the continuity established in that series carries over to this one.

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?p=1423114#post1423114

There you go.
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danhimself says:

"fesak says:
"TheCleverGuy says:
"fesak says:
"TheCleverGuy says:
"fesak says:
"It's just another alternate reality."
Technically, that's Earth-616 too... :P /CG"
True, but since Earth-616 is referred to as the main reality all others must be alternate realities. If i'm not forgetting anything Marvel currently publishes ongoing stories in five separate realities + Exiles. "
Let's see... * Earth-616 * Earth-1610 (Ultimate) * Earth-31916 (Supremeverse; not sure if anything is currently published) * Marvel Adventures? * ?????????? /CG"
Ah, yes. I forgot about Marvel Adventures. The others are: * Earth-555 (newuniversal) * Earth-5631 (Power Pack) * Earth-982 (MC2) And also the upcoming GeNext series, which takes place in the X-Men: The End reality. It's kind of funny when Joe Q says that there are only two marvel universes: Regular and Ultimate."

i'm pretty sure GeNext isn't taking place in the X-men: the end's reality, GeNext is supposed to be a reality where the marvel universe aged in real time, focusing on the x-men, i think it'll have it's own new reality"

I thought so too, but Chris Claremont said it himself.

"Chris Claremont says:The events of GeNext occur in the same story continuity and subsequent to the key events (that is, all save the epilogue) of X-Men: the End. All the continuity established in that series carries over to this one.

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?p=1423114#post1423114

There you go.
Post Edited:2008-05-13 03:19:43