@w0nd said:
@drewyetti said:
@tximinoman: However, peter didn't have training and he manage to pick up the superhero activities very well although miles is not peter just himself.
"You got it all wrong, if someone like Gwen get to slap you because you're not doing what you should be doing... you don't think "who the fuck are you to tell me what I HAVE to be doing?" what you should think is "wow... even this loser who doesn't know me at all knows that I'm being a quitter and a pussy, maybe I should put my shit together once and for all and start being a fucking hero".
yes i got my "opinion" all wrong...
no that's not what I would be thinking...considering this person has done nothing I would once again questions why this person who did nothing is telling me what to do, and gtfo with my dad before he dies too. it's a matter of opinion my friend, simple as that. Spider woman is a whole other story, notice how i didn't complain about her or Ganke? because I would respect what they are saying, I am saying GWEN annoyed me, not the fact she wants him to be spider-man. Once again matter of opinion.
go get your mom killed, then tell me if you feel you should be playing super hero still? or would you go get training and get your shit together first?
miles can't even make webfluid...and peter didn't pick it up very well, he got threatened and unmasked numerous times, his aunt had to move away, his school got threatened, his boss got shot in the head..... He fluked out most cases and then died. The final battle he woke up the flame guy who powered up osborn rather than the ice guy...
you would think people would learn something from peter's death but nope, no training for you miles, have a costume run into battle.
@w0nd said:
@tximinoman:
life is not pretty but like i said if some diner girl who accomplished nothing with herself told me what I HAVE to do would be like wtf who are you to tell me what I HAVE to be doing? the only person im obligated to taking care of is my family. Everyone seems to be forgetting he has had literally 0 training, but they expect him to run out there and save the day. Worked out pretty well for Pete. He was a boy playing hero, nick fury was a guy egging on this boy playing hero
here is a costume, go have fun...
the reason his mother died was because he was spider-man, not because he wasn't being spider-man, flip side to uncle ben dying because peter wasn't being spiderman
I am not saying miles should stop being spider-man I am just saying what Gwen did was annoying the way she handled it was annoying. If someone who actually accomplished something with their life gave me the speech it would be different, not the same girl who held a gun to peter's head, and ran away from hom because she couldn't handle the "Craziness"
The Bold: Thank you for saying that!
I don't get why people can't see that the whole "with power, comes responsibility" is a little different when it comes to Miles's situation. People seem to forget that Miles didn't want to be a superhero in the first place, and very likely wouldn't have if Peter didn't die. However UNLIKE Peter, he helped people simply because he felt that it was the right thing to do; he didn't need to let tragedy happen and then get a speech. Miles already had that responsibility mentality in him (seeing as he felt that he had (not necessarily want) to take Peter's place), but at the same time he didn't want to be a full-time hero (not for awhile at least).
Another reason why it's different for Miles is because his mom is the SECOND member of his family to die BECAUSE he was playing hero, and his dad was close to being a potential third! Miles "taking responsibility" nearly resulted in the death of his whole family! So when someone like Gwen goes and slaps him,and then DEMANDS he be Spider-Man, SHE IS IN THE WRONG!
It has nothing to do with what she's accomplished in her life, either. Miles has every right to say: "WHO THE FCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!? WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT?!? YOU TALK ABOUT "WITH GREAT POWER, COME GREAT RESPONSIBILITY", BUT FORGET THAT I DID TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY! AT 13 YEARS OLD! WITH NO TRAINING AT ALL! WITH OTHERS TELLING ME THAT I DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO! WITH MY DAD HATING ALL THINGS SUPERHERO! AND WHAT HAPPENED AS A DIRECT RESULT OF ME TAKING THAT RESPONSIBILITY?? MY UNCLE, THAT I LOVED, DIED FIGHTING ME!!! MY MOM, THAT I LOVED, DIED TRYING TO PROTECT ME!!! MY DAD, THAT i LOVE, NEARLY DIED BECAUSE SOME HUGE, FREAKY MONSTER THOUGHT HE WAS ME!!! ALL OF THIS HAPPENED TO ME BECAUSE I BECAME SPIDER-MAN!!! AND NOW THAT I'M FINALLY,TRULY, TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT'S LEFT OF MY FAMILY IS SAFE AND ALIVE, YOU COME AND TRY TO FORCE ME BACK INTO THE VERY THING THAT HAS NEARLY DESTROYED MY FAMILY!!! GET THE FCK BACK!!!"
That's what Miles should've said to Gwen, and everyone else trying to make up his mind for him. I know that Miles will become Spider-Man again, but it should be his choice and his choice ALONE; not because he's guilt-tripped into it by people who haven't been thru what he's going thru.
The Underlined: Yeah, where's Miles training??? They didn't even make sure that he could make his own webbing, let alone fight and strategize in battle! And hell yeah Peter struggled all throughout his time as Spider-Man! Peter let himself get captured AND unmasked by THE SHOCKER!!! REALLY, THE SHOCKER?!?! THAT FOOL, OF ALL PEOPLE??? Really, if anyone is to be blamed for the suffering of the Spider-Men, it's S.H.I.E.L.D.; their carelessness and willingness to let a 15 year old and 13 YEAR OLD (I MEAN COME ON!!!) PLAY HERO WITHOUT TRAINING OF ANY SORT!!!
Anyway, this was a great issue and interested in what the future holds for not just Cloak and Dagger, but also Bombshell. I think that the death of Peter really affected her, seeing as she was raised by a horrible influence and now the one person who actually tried to help her and be her friend is dead; she probably gave up on herself, or something like that. Hopefully she becomes an ally to Miles.
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