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#1 Posted by k4tzm4n (36448 posts) - - Show Bio

Venom #13:

"That Toxin symbiote was a real get, baby"

"Yes. Well worth the killing it took to acquire."

Does Blackheart mean they battled and killed Patrick Mulligan to obtain the Toxin symbiote? In issue 12 we saw the Toxin symbiote being contained, but that was a facility seemingly under the control of Blackheart, anyway.

So, what does everyone think? Did Pat meet his demise off panel?

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#2 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32857 posts) - - Show Bio

=::(

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#3 Posted by _Zombie_ (10323 posts) - - Show Bio

I really hope not. I liked him as Toxin.

#4 Posted by k4tzm4n (36448 posts) - - Show Bio

@ZombieBigfoot: @spiderbat87: Agreed and agreed.

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#5 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12572 posts) - - Show Bio

.......toxin fought blackheart........? I want Toxin back........he was my second favorite symbiote

#6 Edited by k4tzm4n (36448 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt: No, it was never specifically stated that Blackheart was the one to obtain the symbiote. The way he said it (it, being the dialogue in the OP) was very vague.

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#7 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

At this point, I would say that either Pat gave the symbiote up (he never wanted the thing in the first place) and Blackheart acquired it somewhere else, or Blackheart killed Pat.

We'll just have to see.

#8 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32857 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
.......toxin fought blackheart........? I want Toxin back........he was my second favorite symbiote
he was my first :O
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#9 Posted by k4tzm4n (36448 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice to see some love for Toxin.

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#10 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32857 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope he's still alive

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#11 Posted by GrandSymbiote94 (11524 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:

At this point, I would say that either Pat gave the symbiote up (he never wanted the thing in the first place) and Blackheart acquired it somewhere else, or Blackheart killed Pat.

We'll just have to see.

This.
#12 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

Nice to see some love for Toxin.

No one ever knows what they had until it's gone. =P

#13 Posted by DameonLG (26 posts) - - Show Bio

Patrick was never shown, Toxin was captured by some private company that Venom and Jack O'Lantern broke into for Crime Master.

Most likely they sold it to Blackheart and 'the killing' referred to all the security they murdered to get it.

Is Toxin still alive or was it actually 'killed' to sacrifice? I can't be sure, but I believe they just needed some 'flesh' for the ceremony, not the whole thing. Plus Blackheart had Symbiote clones, so it would make sense he had Toxin stored somewhere to continue to clone samples of since it's arguably one of the more powerful Symbiotes.

I personally don't think we'll see Pat again, though.

#14 Posted by TDK_1997 (14471 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Toxin,so I hope not.

#15 Edited by Strider92 (16139 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

Nice to see some love for Toxin.

No one ever knows what they had until it's gone. =P

Toxin is reappearing in Carnage USA (comes out March 1st) it shows him on the team that is going to be sent to help the Avengers along with Venom, Anti-Venom, Scorn and Hybrid.

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#16 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

Nice to see some love for Toxin.

No one ever knows what they had until it's gone. =P

Toxin is reappearing in Carnage USA (comes out March 1st) it shows him on the team that is going to be sent to help the Avengers along with Venom, Anti-Venom, Scorn and Hybrid.

Can I have a pic of this?

#17 Posted by Strider92 (16139 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: sure

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#18 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: Sorry dude, that's outdated info. Toxin's symbiote is shown in the current Venom story, which takes place before Carnage USA.

#19 Edited by kingjoeg (693 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: Does that say Project Mulligan?

#20 Posted by Strider92 (16139 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: ah i haven't been following the latest Venom series (I don't like Flash as Venom) I just saw the next Carnage USA hadn't been released yet and assumed it was his most recent appearance, my bad.

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#21 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjoeg said:

@Strider92: Does that say Project Mulligan?

It says Patrick Mulligan.

@Strider92 said:

@InnerVenom123: ah i haven't been following the latest Venom series (I don't like Flash as Venom) I just saw the next Carnage USA hadn't been released yet and assumed it was his most recent appearance, my bad.

... Why don't you like Flash as Venom?

#22 Posted by Strider92 (16139 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: Well its not that I don't like Flash its that I don't like his version of Venom. I prefer the Classic pointy toothed guy with the long tongue who refers to himself as "us" and Venom wearing armor and using guns just seems wrong to me but it's a matter of taste I guess.

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#23 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: He doesn't start out with the we thing, but he does get it down the line. And he does transform into classic Venom when he loses control. Have you read any of the series?

#24 Posted by Strider92 (16139 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: I read the origin part and I read the one where he almost got owned by Kraven so not a great deal (as I said, I have trouble looking looking at the "commando Venom" without cringing lol) . If you know of a good issue let me know and i'll give him another shot.

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#25 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

I hope he's still alive
#26 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: I guess given what you like, the best issue for you would be number 9.

#27 Edited by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: You should DEFINITELY give it another shot. It's pretty good.

#28 Posted by darkwolverineUSMC (315 posts) - - Show Bio

NO! I own the entire toxin mini-series. I own the entire venom/carnage series that he debuted in, I hope he's not dead, I havn't got to read any of the new venom series.

#29 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by k4tzm4n (36448 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: ME GUSTA!

But, it seems like Pat is still dead, I suppose.

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#31 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Guess what I found on Venom #14's letter page?!

#32 Posted by greenlucario (210 posts) - - Show Bio

If Remender had Pat killed or had Pat give up the symbiote I'm done with Venom (even if it's one of my favorite books). Pat was such a great host and by the end of the Toxin mini it seemed like he finally accepted the symbiote and made piece with it. Better not be dead or gone.

#33 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@k4tzm4n: Guess what I found on Venom #14's letter page?!

LMAO

#34 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio

Toxin hasn't really done anything sense his mini-series. I'm surprised that Marvel even acknowledges he exists still.

#35 Posted by k4tzm4n (36448 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@k4tzm4n: Guess what I found on Venom #14's letter page?!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They spelled my name wrong :(

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#36 Posted by VENOMCATEXE (35 posts) - - Show Bio

Going by the issue itself, and everything covered here I'm going with that he's not deceased (does this matter in comics?) and just in character limbo until it's stated in full (likely in a Handbook update). It seems the direction, and logical one, that the writer is going is to fully secure Flash Thompson in the mantle of Venom in every necessary way, being for one by having Brock challenge him of course, and establishing that Brock has what it takes to do so, whereas Flash will win and prove himself worthy of the title, as opposed to where many readers have seen him for a longtime as being second fiddle to Brock, and incapable of taking Brock (on a side note, I noticed this notion and thought to myself that despite the claim that Flash stood no chance against Brock lately, that the symbiote itself compensates for this by having the same wealth of experience, as well as inside knowledge of Brocks thoughts? I think it's just nostalgic fanboyism despite the claim it isn't, and the inability to move foreward from the 80's, dually noting that the news article here focused on the Venom series as if it were Eddie's book and story and Flash was the guest antagonist? Just putting that out here). Likewise I agree with the idea that Brock will become the new Toxin, or at the least remain just Brock to remove him from the mantle either way and secure it for Flash, as his standing as even Anti-Venom still denoted the Flash/Venom character as the second rate version in most peoples eyes. Pat/Toxin unfortunately is in a league of many, many "new" Marvel characters, as well as symbiotes that did receive his own character development and TLC, but that effort was dropped in favor of making him into a plot device used for nostalgic revival support. At least the Flash/Venom and his books cast represent some sort of active change (in a way) as opposed to stasis, it's refreshing to see.

#37 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: I can make you feel better. Lookit this. Venom #21.

#38 Posted by k4tzm4n (36448 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: Ah, a full reveal of the Savage Six! That's a rather...massive...Toxin, haha. Who's the dude with the M?

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#39 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Oh, you're gonna like Venom # 17.

#40 Posted by k4tzm4n (36448 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123: I'm excited to check it out.  Unfortunately, not sure when I'll be heading into the city.
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#41 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not even a big Marvel fan, and I would be sad if Patrick is dead.

#42 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: If all hope seems lost, use Comixology.

#43 Edited by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Posted by k4tzm4n (36448 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123: That option has always been tempting, but I'm a collector and I no longer have a smart phone :(
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#45 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: Put a spoiler on that, dude. Still a bit early to post that freely in the forums.

#46 Posted by DEGRAAF (7870 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Eddie Brock is now the new Toxin!

your kidding right? Where is this from?

#47 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@venomoushatred1001: Put a spoiler on that, dude. Still a bit early to post that freely in the forums.

My bad. Fixed.

#48 Posted by k4tzm4n (36448 posts) - - Show Bio
@DEGRAAF: HAY! HAY! I CAN SEE IT! 
WAHHHHH!
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#49 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF: Venom 17. Also it's awesome.

@k4tzm4n said:

@DEGRAAF: HAY! HAY! I CAN SEE IT! WAHHHHH!

Aw. I wanted you to be surprised. :P

#50 Edited by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: The thing I don't get is why Toxin doesn't talk in blue speech bubbles.

@k4tzm4n: My bad, K4tz :(

@DEGRAAF: Venom #17

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