Back in the day I liked Suske & Wiske and Lucky Luke more then I did Kuifje. But I did like the few original comics, and that's where it stopped. The newer comics didn't really appeal to me and neither did the series. I'm worried this movie will go the way of Kapitein Rob and Dik Trom which where movies not even the fans enjoyed. I'm going to pass on it and wait for the dvd to come out and suddenly drops to 3,99 just like Kapitein Rob :P Now Franka, That's a movie I would like to see ^_^
@Michiel76: A Storm movie would be epic too. I still need to finish my collection
Tintin
Character » Tintin appears in 559 issues.
A young investigative journalist who gets sucked into crazy and dangerous international adventures!
The New Tintin Movie & the Importance of European Comics
@weaponmaster: You have mixed up Rin Tin Tin, a german shepherd dog from various american comics, movies and radio plays, with Tintin, an adventurer from belgian comics. Those two are completely unrelated charactersbtw, Rantaplan was here, Rin Tin Tin sucks
No. I have not mixed up tin tin for rin tin tin I actually thought the dogs name was tin tin, a separate canine from rin tin tin, as a human named tin tin is just silly. It still stands that this is a dated story best left in the past. Tin tin may have been popular among elderly people when they were children but it did not stand the test of time as Captain America and others did and therefore should not be remade. That and it sucks just as rin tin tin did.
@weaponmaster: The inner logic of your argument is so stupid that you have managed to amuse me in some wicked way. Keep on with your attitude, bro, At least that way, the rest of us will have something to laugh at
Inner Logic? As opposed to what? Outer logic? How does finding something humorous that you deem stupid have anything to do with wickedness? Stop trying to pretend to be intelligent and clever by typing inane sentences and non-sequiturs. Bro? Is this some sad attempt to make yourself seem relevant and young? My belief is that you didn't laugh or find any humor in my prior post at all but were instead offended which caused you to type this nonsensical post.
I've read a few stories, and I've liked them. I especially love the Disney inspired art. But I've heard that once the original writer passed away the comic lost alot of it's luster and is just plodding along.Also, what does everyone think of Asterix and Obelix?
I don't know if that's true or not. I need to read more of it.
@weaponmaster: What makes you so hilarious is the blatantly obvious fact that you've never read a Tin Tin story ever in your life, and yet you have some kind of vendetta against it just because it's old. That's the classic brand of cultural ignorance I'd expect from a teenager.
I count myself as fortunate for never having read a single issue. I dislike it because it as dated and irrelevant. I have not read a Lassie book either but I would have the same issues with that being remade. It is not cultural ignorance whatsoever. Anachronistic characters and stories that haven't remained relevant should simply be left in their metaphorical graves. You assume that because I am not geriatric like yourself that I am a teenager.Laughable, ignorant, and indeed reprehensible that you would attack what you presumed to be a teenager. But with a username such as yours considering your advanced age I suppose one cannot expect much from you.
@Meteorite said:Most of the new stuff is a bit ehh, but the old stuff is pretty good fun.I've read a few stories, and I've liked them. I especially love the Disney inspired art. But I've heard that once the original writer passed away the comic lost alot of it's luster and is just plodding along.I don't know if that's true or not. I need to read more of it.Also, what does everyone think of Asterix and Obelix?
I have to say that i really love Asterix, but thats mostly because i grew up with that comic. But it's really kids stuff compared to the more adult orientated comics released nowadayswhat does everyone think of Asterix and Obelix?
@weaponmaster: I'm very happy for you that you enjoy your very american comics my friend! Funny enough you don't seem to realise that american comics have been telling to same story over and over again. Was your beloved captain america not fighting the red skull in the forties and fifties? Now its 2011 and oh my god he's still fighting the red skull, seems he doesn't do a very good job now is he?
This is directed at you only cause there are enough americans willing to try something new. Maybe they will like it and get some great new stories out of it maybe they wont and then there is no harm done and they can stick to the usa comics. I'd know what i would do, in fact i did just that and i've been enjoying some great american books for years. The loss is truly yours my friend.
Well said sir!Thanks!! happy to meet a fellow euro comic reader!!
and it's truly sad how many great euro comics will never get translated, even translated from french or italian. I'm fully aware that even i am missing out on great stuff since i'm only able to read english and dutch comics. Sadly dropped french when i was still in school.
I find that there are a lot of european artist that draw more realistic than their american counterparts.
You could say american art is more cartoonish inspired while artists like Don Lawrence, Serpieri, Manara, Delaby, Segrelles and many more make realistic anatomically correct art. (especially Manara and Serpieri hehehe)
It's strange that when talking about european comics mostly titles like Asterix, Lucky Luke, Tin Tin, Smurfs etc. come up which are completly cartoonish and therefore considered the norm but imo these are more or less kids books certainly for a younger audience (although i still enjoy them)
Oh well i just hope someday these comics get the recognision that they deserve. Cause i truly wish more French, Italian and Spanish books would be translated into English so i could enjoy them aswell.
@Psychotime said:
I count myself as fortunate for never having read a single issue. I dislike it because it as dated and irrelevant. I have not read a Lassie book either but I would have the same issues with that being remade. It is not cultural ignorance whatsoever. Anachronistic characters and stories that haven't remained relevant should simply be left in their metaphorical graves. You assume that because I am not geriatric like yourself that I am a teenager.Laughable, ignorant, and indeed reprehensible that you would attack what you presumed to be a teenager. But with a username such as yours considering your advanced age I suppose one cannot expect much from you.
@weaponmaster
: What makes you so hilarious is the blatantly obvious fact that you've never read a Tin Tin story ever in your life, and yet you have some kind of vendetta against it just because it's old. That's the classic brand of cultural ignorance I'd expect from a teenager.
It's a timeless, highly respected work that carved it's place into comics history, and subsequently kept itself in the social consciousness of it's home culture for GENERATIONS. But you refuse to read it just because it's old. Hell, you outright say you're PROUD of having never even read a single page!
ig·no·rant
[ ig-ner- uhnt ]–adjective 1: lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2: lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact.
3: uninformed; unaware.
4: due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
I'd expect you to reject a work like Watchmen simply because it was made in 1986 and would try to rationalize by saying it should be thrown away because the Cold War ended. Or a film like the Third Man because it was made in 1949 and World War II ended 66 years ago.
And just to show more of your own backwards logic, you try to "shame" me for supposedly doing something that you yourself have been doing since post one. Way to find new ways to make yourself look stupid, despite the thesaurus thumbing you clearly went through.
Read it again genius, I never claimed to know your actual age (a little different in your case, I gotta say).
I'd be ashamed to be a person older than 15 spouting the kind of ignorant, hypocritical, self deluded tripe you've filled this thread with.
If want to know my age, I happen to be 20.
@Eyz said:Well, I do live in Switzerland, so I mostly grew up on "Bandes Dessinées" :PWell said sir!Thanks!! happy to meet a fellow euro comic reader!!and it's truly sad how many great euro comics will never get translated, even translated from french or italian. I'm fully aware that even i am missing out on great stuff since i'm only able to read english and dutch comics. Sadly dropped french when i was still in school. I find that there are a lot of european artist that draw more realistic than their american counterparts.You could say american art is more cartoonish inspired while artists like Don Lawrence, Serpieri, Manara, Delaby, Segrelles and many more make realistic anatomically correct art. (especially Manara and Serpieri hehehe)It's strange that when talking about european comics mostly titles like Asterix, Lucky Luke, Tin Tin, Smurfs etc. come up which are completly cartoonish and therefore considered the norm but imo these are more or less kids books certainly for a younger audience (although i still enjoy them)Oh well i just hope someday these comics get the recognision that they deserve. Cause i truly wish more French, Italian and Spanish books would be translated into English so i could enjoy them aswell.
People tend to only refer the cartoony ones that got made into animation (and therefore exported).
But my favorite artists are the likes of Dodier (google "Jerome K Jerome Bloche"), Loisel,...
And yes, in a way, they're kinda more realistic than their muscle-bound American counterparts. But in the end, it all depends on artists and genres I guess.
Can you recommend me anything from Moebius/Jean Girard? I also want to read something by Pierre Alary. Any other names you could recommend?
I'll probably have to one day learn French and just take a trip whenever I can afford to do it. At least I HOPE most of the comics I'm interested in are translated in French, regardless of origin.
Some others i really like for their art is: Serpieri and Manara but be warned this is truly hardcore pornographic but Druuna (by Serpieri) has a great story too.
Peter Pan by Loisel that Eyz recommended i truly did enjoy
Futhermore Rogon the white wolf by Chabert (but good luck reading that cause i don't think it has been translated into english)
Thorgal by Rosinski is a great comicit's written by Van Hamme.
And of course like i said before: Murena, Storm, Trigie, Eagles of Rome, Mercenary, Merlin, Dragonsblood etc.
I found the other thread on comicvine, should be some great tips on there still:
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion/1/anyone-read-european-comics/552092/?
@Psychotime: Hmmm i haven't read anything by Alary so i can't help you there and i think Giraud's most famous work would be Blueberry and XIII (i think this has been turned into a videogame too)Indeed XIII is a videogame. Ubisoft, and it's back compatible on 360, so you should check it out IMHO, very stylish. Not really at all like the comic in terms of the visual style though, and word was that it was intended to be a trilogy of games, but only the first was made.
Finally! People are getting interested in euro-comics, actually Europe is the continent where comics first bloomed. People who are looking for something new and fresh should check out the belgian XIII, the spanish Blacksad, the belgian Largo Winch, Murena, Apocalypse Mania, The Scorpion among many others.
Btw i am Belgian. :D
Some others i really like for their art is: Serpieri and Manara but be warned this is truly hardcore pornographic but Druuna (by Serpieri) has a great story too.Lol, stereotype horny Europeans.
One thing I find strange is how Westerns seem to be a prominent genre in Europe. ...How is that possible? Oh wait, it's possible the exact same way pirates and knights are popular in America.
Anyway, thanks for the names. Personally I'm not much into fantasy, but I do need to read new things.
@weaponmaster said:
@Psychotime said:I count myself as fortunate for never having read a single issue. I dislike it because it as dated and irrelevant. I have not read a Lassie book either but I would have the same issues with that being remade. It is not cultural ignorance whatsoever. Anachronistic characters and stories that haven't remained relevant should simply be left in their metaphorical graves. You assume that because I am not geriatric like yourself that I am a teenager.Laughable, ignorant, and indeed reprehensible that you would attack what you presumed to be a teenager. But with a username such as yours considering your advanced age I suppose one cannot expect much from you.
@weaponmaster
: What makes you so hilarious is the blatantly obvious fact that you've never read a Tin Tin story ever in your life, and yet you have some kind of vendetta against it just because it's old. That's the classic brand of cultural ignorance I'd expect from a teenager.
It is not timeless as proven by the fact that it is no longer in circulation and hasn't been for years. It had and end as it stopped being published. It is restricted to a particular time because that is the era in which it took place. Time affected it's popularity and relevance.
time·less
adj \ ˈtīm-ləs\1
It may be respected by a some and that is really nothing to be proud of. It is a comic book not some important historical document. And it is no longer relevant.
The watchmen was a morally bankrupt, gratuitously violent, piece of flotsam that only blood-thirsty deviants with no moral compass would find worth watching and enjoying. And, yes, it should have remained a horrible graphic novel and not been made into a movie.
Dated, irrelevant ,comics and movies should not be made into movies or remade. I said it should not be redone and should be left in its original form not thrown away. Try to keep up.
I gave my opinion on the comic being made into a movie, I did not go out of my way to quote and attack someone because I didnt share their opinion. Thats is the difference. Again, try to keep up.
You made allusions to me being a teenager, don't try to cover up your error with semantics. You thought you were bullying a child. You were wrong.
I imagine you know shame all too well. Spare me the projected verbal abuse that you were subjected to as a child.
I don't "if want" to know your age. I could care less. If I was in error assuming you were elderly then so be it. I can make an error and admit to it. it does not diminish me whatsoever. You could also be lying about your age because of shame.
In any event, you are immature for any adult age and are overly-emotional.
im·ma·ture /ˌiməˈCHo͝or/ Adjective
Your username and behavior suggest that you would likely benefit from intensive therapy. Choosing that username speaks volumes about you and explains much concerning your behavior.
psy·cho·sis
noun \sī- ˈkō-səs\
plural
: fundamental derangement of the mind (as in schizophrenia) characterized by defective or lost contact with reality especially as evidenced by delusions, hallucinations, and disorganized speech and behavior
@messiah1994: Actually now that I think of it.... I can't really think of European comics that pre-date WWII. If you'd say European/British Pennydreadfull/sci-fimagazine/novel/pulp heroes which pre-date superheroes and villains, then I'd say yes and point them to http://bit.ly/845aOM and http://bit.ly/2VlVzS. But comics themselves? I still really think that's an American invention. At least the finalized product.
Lol, wat? Can't think of the character in the topic title first published in 1929?
Hmm, i think i got a bit of a too enthousiastic start. My opnion is that American comics are the founders for the action comic, like those superheroe ones, while European comis have focused more on adventure, travel, mystery ... Also i think we should consider British comics a class apart because of their distinctive style (both writing and drawing) and their collaboration with American ones. In my eyes European means of the continent which excludes Great-Brittain.
@weaponmaster said:
It is not timeless as proven by the fact that it is no longer in circulation and hasn't been for years. It had and end as it stopped being published. It is restricted to a particular time because that is the era in which it took place. Time affected it's popularity and relevance.
Ah, that classic weaponmaster ignorance raises it's head again. The book has been in circulation ever since they was first made, and STILL is in circulation! Do a quick internet search and you find new printings of the old stories! Your ignorance is just getting ridiculous now.
The fact that it's a lauded work respected by it's home culture, the fact that comic creators, historians, and fans all mirror that same respect around the planet, the fact that currently a couple of A-class, Oscar winning filmakers are trying to make a movie out of it, and the fact that it's STILL being circulated around the world after over 80 YEARS are all a testament to it's timelessness. I didn't use that word lightly. Not even TEZUKA's works can compete with the status Tintin has.
@weaponmaster said:
Dated, irrelevant ,comics and movies should not be made into movies or remade. I said it should not be redone and should be left in its original form not thrown away. Try to keep up.
Oh really now? Let’s look at one of your earlier posts!
@weaponmaster said:
It was Lousy decades ago and it is lousy now. If you like your old timer comics so much then re-read them, then take your geritol and eat your steamed prunes, but don't force us to suffer through having to watch or read regurgitated, dated, drivel.
Since you made the ignorant assumption that Tintin was out of print, this earlier post clearly implies that an old work should die along with the audience that was around when it first debuted, because you think everyone else is too young to bother reading them. It’s simple logic. You don’t even need to outright say it. It’s very clear that you want any old work to burn out for the new ones to take their place. And you’re being a hypocrite AGAIN for claiming otherwise.
It never stops with you, and that’s what makes you so much fun.
@weaponmaster said:
You made allusions to me being a teenager, don't try to cover up your error with semantics. You thought you were bullying a child. You were wrong.
Oh, calling you out for you ignorance makes me a bully now? That’s new! Only a child would think something so ridiculous. And you see that last sentence? It does the same exact thing my teenager remark does; point out how childish your mode of thinking and behavior happens to be. I can never claim to know your age, you’re just text on a computer screen to me, nothing more.
That was no “error in semantics”. It’s called tact.
And it still doesn’t change the fact that every step of the way you constantly called anyone who disagrees with you a shambling septuagenarian. If you somehow think that you can find fault in someone by accusing them of essentially the same kind of age based insult, you’re nothing but a hypocrite, plain and simple.
@weaponmaster said:
I gave my opinion on the comic being made into a movie, I did not go out of my way to quote and attack someone because I didnt share their opinion. Thats is the difference. Again, try to keep up.
Right, you just make ignorant remarks and call anyone who disagrees with you a human relic. Just how deluded are you?
@weaponmaster said:
In any event, you are immature for any adult age and are overly-emotional.
im·ma·ture / ˌ imə ˈ CHo ͝ or/ Adjective
1. Not fully developed: "immature fruit".
2. (of a person or their behavior) Having emotional or intellectual development appropriate to someone younger
So let me get this straight: You love to talk about something you know absolutely nothing about, you shun anything just because it’s old, you’re a hypocrite, let’s not forget astoundingly ignorant, and you think that anyone calling you out for your ignorance is some kind of bully.
And you’re calling ME immature? Is that a joke? And "overly-emotional"? Really? I'm not the one who's made their frustration clear by trying to one up me on our little definition game (which must have stung). Your POST is just a kneejerk reaction that was made when you finally realized what my posts were actually saying, and like a child, the only remark you can say to counter it is “I’m not immature, YOU are!” with nothing to back it up.
All you're doing is talking to a mirror. That's all you're doing.
You know what, humor me. Give me some examples of how I’m being immature the exact way I’ve pointed out for you.
As I said before, your posts are nothing but collages of self dilution and ignorance. And that hasn’t changed.
But you're definitely fun, that's for sure.
@Michiel76 said:Yeah i keep telling my wife i collect these comics for the art heheheSome others i really like for their art is: Serpieri and Manara but be warned this is truly hardcore pornographic but Druuna (by Serpieri) has a great story too.Lol, stereotype horny Europeans.
But my genre preferences is indeed, history, fantasy, sci-fi, i'm not that into espionage, suspense etc.
Saying comics are an American invention is like saying drawing pictures is an American invention. Now costumed superheroes as we know them now, I guess they'd be an American invention, more or less. Despite their origins in mythology and circus performers, Simon and Shuster were the first ones to bring the ideas together to make something new.@messiah1994: Actually now that I think of it.... I can't really think of European comics that pre-date WWII. If you'd say European/British Pennydreadfull/sci-fimagazine/novel/pulp heroes which pre-date superheroes and villains, then I'd say yes and point them to http://bit.ly/845aOM and http://bit.ly/2VlVzS. But comics themselves? I still really think that's an American invention. At least the finalized product.
Also, Tintin was created in 1929. WWII started 10 years later.
EDIT: Wow, when you write it like that it gives off creepy implications, haha.
@Psychotime said:At least you guys can say that you've got more variety. The main problem with American comics is the simple fact that one genre dominates the industry, and it makes it harder for people to find something different. It's not surprising that the average layman here thinks comic books automatically mean superheroes. And it's not really their fault, nor the fault of the industry.@Michiel76 said:Yeah i keep telling my wife i collect these comics for the art heheheBut my genre preferences is indeed, history, fantasy, sci-fi, i'm not that into espionage, suspense etc.Some others i really like for their art is: Serpieri and Manara but be warned this is truly hardcore pornographic but Druuna (by Serpieri) has a great story too.Lol, stereotype horny Europeans.
I can't really blame the genre when it was the one to keep comic books afloat in the states for decades after the medium was practically locked down in the 50's. Superheroes are cool, sure. But no single genre should be allowed to represent an entire medium. They may have saved comic books in the US a long time ago, but they're hurting it now.
Seriously, can you really claim that anyone is the first to tell a story with pictures? That's no different than saying X group invented drawing.
I can tell your feelings were hurt greatly. So many exclamation marks and capital letters and question marks and unnecessary rhetorical questions. I can just imagine you shaking with adrenalin while you are typing.
You made so many assumptions and are took what I stated out of context so many times that it is clear that you are both highly upset and lack any real morals or character.
You are simply an immature individual whose feelings got hurt over a comic book and you are acting out. Some day you will eventually mature. Hopefully.
Your post reminds me of a child who has felt slighted and is throwing a tantrum.
It is very clear by your responses that you have dealt with a lot of verbal abuse in your upbringing and that is likely what is motivating you. I can sense your pain and frustration and anger in your responses.
There are, I am certain, many organizations that can help you with your mental and emotional issues. Perhaps you need to change your medication or seek another health care professional.
I am typing and not talking. You have stated that I was talking on more than one occasion now. I think that you are actually delusional and I mean that literally.
Your entire post is an example of your immaturity. Your having been verbally abused and your mental and emotional issues will keep you from admitting to that fact I am sure.
If this is what you view as fun then I actually feel sorry for you and would suggest you get out more, try to make actual friends by changing your toxic persona, and perhaps try some meditation or exercise to attempt to control your emotions.
I can almost guarantee that you will feel an overhelming compulsion to quote my every sentence and paragraph and respond to each with a passive-aggressive tirade. My belief is that this is how you were treated and spoken to and abused by your mother or father or both.
@weaponmaster:I love how a person who dismisses a classic work for being "old" is giving people lectures about maturitykid, you are the one who has allot of maturing to do
You are simply biased. And someone who is into pokemon, sonic the hedgehog, and southpark, telling anyone that they have a lot of maturing to do is so Ironic it is ridiculous. I am sure you will need respond with a huge text rant.
@weaponmaster:OK, you just gave me a good laugh there, kid.Yes, I like South Park, and I helped making some articles for the Sonic comics by Archie and Fleetway (mostly by uploading some pictures into the gallerias).I freaking love how you are trying to make that into an argument.You are grasping at straws, kid.
My belief is that you did not laugh at all but were obviously hurt and offended.
I could care less what trivial tasks that you performed concerning childrens material. You uploaded some childrens material. Big deal. You actually seem as if this is something to be proud of.
I am not making it into an argument I am pointing out the irony of someone attempting to give me a lecture about maturity who is into sonic, pokemon, and south park.
Perhaps you should ask your parents before using the computer or at least have them supervise you.
you can't be convinced into reading some euro comic 'cause you don't want to be convinced, so there is no point for you going back to this thread.
Please read your captain america comic's cause they are so fresh and new and not retelling the same old story from the forties. i'm very happy for you that you found something you really like.
Now let us enjoy ours.
@Michiel76 said:Well i'm getting pretty tired with the superhero theme, even though i'm guilty of still buying them and therefore suporting this genre. I grew up with the x-men and even though i feel the book hasen't been nowhere near as good as when Claremont wrote it in the 80's with stories like mutant massacre, inferno etc. i won't stop buying it, always hoping someone will bring it back to it's former glory. Still now and then i get surprised by some usa non-hero stuff thats really a great read, like y-the last man and the walking dead. I think the popularity of some of these books shows that americans are more than ready for some other genres.@Psychotime said:At least you guys can say that you've got more variety. The main problem with American comics is the simple fact that one genre dominates the industry, and it makes it harder for people to find something different. It's not surprising that the average layman here thinks comic books automatically mean superheroes. And it's not really their fault, nor the fault of the industry.I can't really blame the genre when it was the one to keep comic books afloat in the states for decades after the medium was practically locked down in the 50's. Superheroes are cool, sure. But no single genre should be allowed to represent an entire medium. They may have saved comic books in the US a long time ago, but they're hurting it now.@Michiel76 said:Yeah i keep telling my wife i collect these comics for the art heheheBut my genre preferences is indeed, history, fantasy, sci-fi, i'm not that into espionage, suspense etc.Some others i really like for their art is: Serpieri and Manara but be warned this is truly hardcore pornographic but Druuna (by Serpieri) has a great story too.Lol, stereotype horny Europeans.
Even Star-Wars (although based on a movie) has been around in comic form for ages so it must have a loyal fanbase.
@weaponmaster: You think you are so very smart with all your wisecracking, only thing i've read from you so far is bitching about euro comics and putting people down, please get over yourself or go somewhere else.you can't be convinced into reading some euro comic 'cause you don't want to be convinced, so there is no point for you going back to this thread.Please read your captain america comic's cause they are so fresh and new and not retelling the same old story from the forties. i'm very happy for you that you found something you really like.Now let us enjoy ours.
You obviously don't read very well then and are likely too biased and emotionally compromised to be objective.
My issue was not with "euro-comics" My issue was with a dated, effeminate, character that does not have the worldwide lasting appeal of characters like Captain America being and therefore shouldn't be made into a movie.
Stop trying to make this about nationalism or about region. I would not want to see a lame archie movie either and that is an American character.
I won't even get into the hypocisy of your wise cracks after you Tried to lecture me about what you perceived as me making them except to state that bitching about what you claim to be bitching is still bitching.
I "came back to this thread" because you left me a specific note. Obviously "smart" and "clever" are not your strong points.
Captain America is a much more popular character around the world than tintin. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. It is simply reality.
If you want me to stay out of your thread then don't respond to me or quote me or direct your childish rants towards me.
A "cooties' analogy? Seriously? And it wasn't not even germane to my quote. I can tell you are a child so I will give you a pass.
@weaponmaster said:
My belief is that you did not laugh at all but were obviously hurt and offended.
What you did is basically saying that I have cooties, and trying to make it sound like a valid argumentyou did all the job for me
@weaponmaster:Don't worry, I'll give you one
Keep telling yourself that and someday you might believe it.
@Michiel76 said:
@weaponmaster: You think you are so very smart with all your wisecracking, only thing i've read from you so far is bitching about euro comics and putting people down, please get over yourself or go somewhere else.you can't be convinced into reading some euro comic 'cause you don't want to be convinced, so there is no point for you going back to this thread.Please read your captain america comic's cause they are so fresh and new and not retelling the same old story from the forties. i'm very happy for you that you found something you really like.Now let us enjoy ours.
You obviously don't read very well then and are likely too biased and emotionally compromised to be objective.
My issue was not with "euro-comics" My issue was with a dated, effeminate, character that does not have the worldwide lasting appeal of characters like Captain America being and therefore shouldn't be made into a movie.
Stop trying to make this about nationalism or about region. I would not want to see a lame archie movie either and that is an American character.
I won't even get into the hypocisy of your wise cracks after you Tried to lecture me about what you perceived as me making them except to state that bitching about what you claim to be bitching is still bitching.
I "came back to this thread" because you left me a specific note. Obviously "smart" and "clever" are not your strong points.
Captain America is a much more popular character around the world than tintin. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. It is simply reality.
If you want me to stay out of your thread then don't respond to me or quote me or direct your childish rants towards me.
But what are you talking about? Did you not read the article? 350 million copies of just 23 volumes. Around 15 million per volume. Tintin is way more popular than any American comic book character. Even Watchmen did not sell as much copies. Everybody knows Tintin worldwide but ask any non-comic book reader outside of the USand he will never have heard of Captain America. Believe me, he does not sell anything outside of the US. Saying the opposite is just not true. Hell, I did not know Cap until I got into comics a few years back.
You are just mad because Captain America is directed by whoever Joe Johnston is and not Spielberg and Jackson. You are mad because two of the most famous directors in Hollywood would rather spend years fighting for Tintin's rights and had absolutely no interest in making a Captain America movie.
@weaponmaster said:
@Michiel76 said:@weaponmaster: You think you are so very smart with all your wisecracking, only thing i've read from you so far is bitching about euro comics and putting people down, please get over yourself or go somewhere else.you can't be convinced into reading some euro comic 'cause you don't want to be convinced, so there is no point for you going back to this thread.Please read your captain america comic's cause they are so fresh and new and not retelling the same old story from the forties. i'm very happy for you that you found something you really like.Now let us enjoy ours.
You obviously don't read very well then and are likely too biased and emotionally compromised to be objective.
My issue was not with "euro-comics" My issue was with a dated, effeminate, character that does not have the worldwide lasting appeal of characters like Captain America being and therefore shouldn't be made into a movie.
Stop trying to make this about nationalism or about region. I would not want to see a lame archie movie either and that is an American character.
I won't even get into the hypocisy of your wise cracks after you Tried to lecture me about what you perceived as me making them except to state that bitching about what you claim to be bitching is still bitching.
I "came back to this thread" because you left me a specific note. Obviously "smart" and "clever" are not your strong points.
Captain America is a much more popular character around the world than tintin. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. It is simply reality.
If you want me to stay out of your thread then don't respond to me or quote me or direct your childish rants towards me.
But what are you talking about? Did you not read the article? 350
million copies of just 23 volumes. Around 15 million per volume. Tintin is way
more popular than any American comic book character. Even Watchmen did not sell
as much copies. Everybody knows Tintin worldwide but ask any non-comic book
reader outside of the USand
he will never have heard of Captain America. Believe me, he does not
sell anything outside of the US.
Saying the opposite is just not true. Hell, I did not know Cap until I got into
comics a few years back.You are just mad because Captain America is directed by whoever Joe Johnston is and not Spielberg and Jackson. You are mad because two of the most
famous directors in Hollywood would rather spend years fighting for Tintin's rights and had absolutely no interest
in making a Captain America movie.
I am typing, not talking.
There have Just as many Captain America comics and comics with Captain America in them over the years and Captain America is still in many comics today and has his own ongoing. Everyone does not know tintin around the world: this is pure hyperbole if not a flat out lie on your part. Captain America comics alone , as of 2007, had sold over 210 million worldwide in 75 countries plus the numbers that have been sold in the four years proceeding 2007 and comics with him in them such as The Avengers have sold Just as many if not more, making the number of comics wtih Captain America in them exceed 350 million. The fact that you didnt know who Captain America is speaks more to your ingorance than anything else.
I am not mad at all and could honestly care less who directs what. Stop pretending you are some kind of mind reader. You are not. I would wager that it is you who is mad Because Captain America was made into a movie 3 times already while famous directors have to beg and plead and fight to even get tintin made. tintin is a dated. lame, effeminate, character and shouldnt be made into a movie, The fact that they even have to beg for it to be made shows this. I am reasonably certain that you will be one of the tintin fanboys whining about the movie not being what you expected.
I am typing, not talking.
There have Just as many Captain America comics and comics with Captain America in them over the years and Captain America is still in many comics today and has his own ongoing. Everyone does not know tintin around the world: this is pure hyperbole if not a flat out lie on your part. Captain America comics alone , as of 2007, had sold over 210 million worldwide in 75 countries plus the numbers that have been sold in the four years proceeding 2007 and comics with him in them such as The Avengers have sold Just as many if not more, making the number of comics wtih Captain America in them exceed 350 million. The fact that you didnt know who Captain America is speaks more to your ingorance than anything else.
I am not mad at all and could honestly care less who directs what. Stop pretending you are some kind of mind reader. You are not. I would wager that it is you who is mad Because Captain America was made into a movie 3 times already while famous directors have to beg and plead and fight to even get tintin made. tintin is a dated. lame, effeminate, character and shouldnt be made into a movie, The fact that they even have to beg for it to be made shows this. I am reasonably certain that you will be one of the tintin fanboys whining about the movie not being what you expected.
You keep typing (real mature of you, that and you calling me "ignorant", telling me I am not a mind reader, and copy-pasting your own words really reinforces your argument you know) about quantity but you and I both know that it is the same 200 000-400 000 geeks who keep the market alive. With Tintin, the offer is very limited, 23 comics and that is it. Hergé, the author, did not want his characters to be massacred after his death.
Therefore, your comparison clearly fails to deliver. On the one hand, you have a few hundred thousand of us geeks buying everything with a superhero on it, every month, and on the other, you have 350 million copies for just 23 books. Those are facts.
I know it is hard for you to imagine but not everybody is American. There is an outside and Captain is not known outside, the same goes for Oprah and those are facts. It may seem unbelievable to you but that is how it is and we get by.
And clearly you do not seem to know what you are posting about here. Tintin already had two adaptations in the past. Spielberg and Jackson had to fight for the legal rights because other directors and studios also wanted to do it and the Hergé Foundation was worried about the movie's faithfulness to the source material.
@weaponmaster said:
I am typing, not talking.
There have Just as many Captain America comics and comics with Captain America in them over the years and Captain America is still in many comics today and has his own ongoing. Everyone does not know tintin around the world: this is pure hyperbole if not a flat out lie on your part. Captain America comics alone , as of 2007, had sold over 210 million worldwide in 75 countries plus the numbers that have been sold in the four years proceeding 2007 and comics with him in them such as The Avengers have sold Just as many if not more, making the number of comics wtih Captain America in them exceed 350 million. The fact that you didnt know who Captain America is speaks more to your ingorance than anything else.
I am not mad at all and could honestly care less who directs what. Stop pretending you are some kind of mind reader. You are not. I would wager that it is you who is mad Because Captain America was made into a movie 3 times already while famous directors have to beg and plead and fight to even get tintin made. tintin is a dated. lame, effeminate, character and shouldnt be made into a movie, The fact that they even have to beg for it to be made shows this. I am reasonably certain that you will be one of the tintin fanboys whining about the movie not being what you expected.
You keep typing (real mature of you, that and you
calling me "ignorant", telling me I am not a mind reader, and
copy-pasting your own words really reinforces your argument you know)
about quantity but you and I both know that it is the same 200 000-400 000
geeks who keep the market alive. With Tintin, the offer is very limited, 23
comics and that is it. Hergé, the author, did not want his characters to be
massacred after his death.Therefore, your comparison clearly fails to deliver. On
the one hand, you have a few hundred thousand of us geeks buying everything
with a superhero on it, every month, and on the other, you have 350 million
copies for just 23 books. Those are facts.I know it is hard for you to imagine but not everybody
is American. There is an outside and Captain is not known outside, the
same goes for Oprah and those are facts. It may seem unbelievable to you
but that is how it is and we get by.And clearly you do not seem to know what you are
posting about here. Tintin already had two adaptations in the past. Spielberg
and Jackson had to fight for the legal rights because other directors and
studios also wanted to do it and the Hergé Foundation was worried about the
movie's faithfulness to the source material.
Your copy/past drivel was inane at best.
The 210 million+ purchasers of Captain Americas comics were tallied since its inception decades ago. Unless 400,000 people are immortal and don't age then it was obviously many more. Again you come up with some fabricated numbers from your own delusional mind. The issue, however, was not how many volumes, but rather how many purchasers. Try to keep up.
Again i have to explain to you that these were individual purchasers over the decades and not the same people buying the same comic book over and over for the past 70+ years. Integrity. Find some.
Captain America has been purchased 210 million+ times in 75 countries. proving your statement that noone outside of America knows about is a false statement. Morals. Strive to develop some.
I don't know about these "adaptations' because tintin is lame and childish and i am not at all interested. It is the french equivalent of charlie brown.
Watch the Box office gross sales and you will see Captain America will outsell tintin worldwide by a large margin. Noone wants to see a lame, girly-looking character, especially a french one.
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