At the age of nine, Timothy Drake cleverly deduced the identities of Batman and Robin. Four years later, after the death of Jason Todd, Tim convinced Batman that he should be the new Robin. He would later become leader of Young Justice.
heres how it would go bruce would give it to dick who [skipping jason] would hand it over to tim who once he was done would give it to damien who as we all know would train terry.
No. DC will never permanently get rid of Bruce. They might recycle the whole "kill Bruce and have him replaced with a Bat-Family member" again down the road using Tim or bring an alt universe where Tim becomes Batman into prominence but thats about it.
Only in a parallel universe or alternate timeline:
I'm surprised there is less mention of this. And in that continuity, that Batman returns multiple times. For a while, at least, it is their main future, not an alternate one.
"But he is still young even though he has been bruces partner longer then any other robin"
Sorry, this is minor and me being petty, but that's just not true. I know Tim said something to that effect in a Red Robin (I think) comic, but that was a writer's mistake. It had to be! In the pre-reboot universe, Dick was definitely Robin longest.
Publication wise it's
Dick: 1940-1984
Tim: 1989-2009 (short break in 2004)
Age wise, let's start with Tim. He was 13 when he started (A Lonely Place of Dying) and 17 when he became Red Robin. That's only four years.
Dick was originally 8 when he started (he mentions this in NTT #39), but that's varied. Sometimes he's ten (Secret Origins #13), sometimes he's 11 (the Grimm storyline in Legends of the Dark Knight). And sometimes he seems to be 12 (Year Three, I think).
He quit being Robin at 19 in NTT. He quit being Bruce's full-time partner when he went to college, presumably at 18. So that's anywhere from 6 to 10 years as Bruce's partner.
Minor, but that comment the writer had Tim make really bugged me because it just wasn't true.
@theredkid: I've been searching and searching for the artist who drew that image of Tim holding the gun to his head. It's excellent, but I could never remember the comic I saw it in. Please please please tell me more about this future heroes arc this is the closest I've got.
@lovechunks: the jl are killed prompting the younger heroes to become darker , tyrannical versions of their mentors. Tim is a fugitive Batman who kills crooks using the gun that Joe Chill used on Bruces parents and is being hunted down by commisioner babs Gordon. He also used to date Bette Kane who is the new Batwoman
"But he is still young even though he has been bruces partner longer then any other robin"
Sorry, this is minor and me being petty, but that's just not true. I know Tim said something to that effect in a Red Robin (I think) comic, but that was a writer's mistake. It had to be! In the pre-reboot universe, Dick was definitely Robin longest.
Publication wise it's
Dick: 1940-1984
Tim: 1989-2009 (short break in 2004)
Age wise, let's start with Tim. He was 13 when he started (A Lonely Place of Dying) and 17 when he became Red Robin. That's only four years.
Dick was originally 8 when he started (he mentions this in NTT #39), but that's varied. Sometimes he's ten (Secret Origins #13), sometimes he's 11 (the Grimm storyline in Legends of the Dark Knight). And sometimes he seems to be 12 (Year Three, I think).
He quit being Robin at 19 in NTT. He quit being Bruce's full-time partner when he went to college, presumably at 18. So that's anywhere from 6 to 10 years as Bruce's partner.
Minor, but that comment the writer had Tim make really bugged me because it just wasn't true.
When it comes to beeing "bruces partner" Tims time is technically much shorter than this. Tim stopped to regulary team up with Bruce around Knight Fall, which is set quite early in his career, probably less than two years, and was from this point on mostly a solo hero. And there were even extended periodes of time where he had no contact with Bruce (No Man's Land, Fugitive, after War Games, when Tim was in Brentwood ...). Im don't think his effective time as Bruce partner is much longer than Jasons, maybe even shorter.
He was longer Robin. When I comes to they time he spent as Bruce partner. Jason was in principle full time working with Bruce. Tim on the other hand didn't had contact with Bruce for extended periods of time during his Robin career, and mostly lived with his family and not at Wayne manor.
It comes of course down to the question how long Jason was exactly Robin, but that is something thats impossible to answer. My assumption (for the pre flashpoint continuity) is that he lived for roughly 2 years with Bruce, and I don't think that Tim had effectively much more time with him.
And in the new 52, they were all Robin only for a very short time, so there is anyway not a big difference.
@aahz: 1.5 -2 years sounds accurate.I think Tim was Robin for 5 years and so was Dick in the Pre-Flashpoint continuity.
Based on the age he was Robin for 4 years (started to train at 13 and became Red Robin at 17) if you go by the time that should have passed in universe it was probaly much longer.
Dick was imo longer with Bruce since he started younger than Tim and was afaik already 18 when he left for collage.
I also think that in general Dick (as the oldest and most experienced) is the logical successor should Bruce retire at this point, and when if Bruce retires in the far future it will be most likely Damian (as the youngest). Tim and Jason will only be the ones under special circumstances. For example if Dick can take over and Damian is still to young.
But I have to add that right now Jasons, is imo the best choice to stand in as Batman. Dick has to much going on with Spyral and Damian and Tim are to young/small. And iirc Jason was (according to Catwoman) in BftC the most convincing Batman imitator.
@aahz: You make it sound like Tim spent no time with or around Bruce at all, if was Robin longer than Jason then wouldn't technically make him Bruce's partner longer? I know Tim spent more time on his own has Robin than the others, but just cause he didn't live with Bruce like Jason did. Doesn't meqn he spent no time with him, I remember Tim living off and on in the Manor from time to time. But yes he spent more time on his own.
@aahz: You make it sound like Tim spent no time with or around Bruce at all, if was Robin longer than Jason then wouldn't technically make him Bruce's partner longer? I know Tim spent more time on his own has Robin than the others, but just cause he didn't live with Bruce like Jason did. Doesn't meqn he spent no time with him, I remember Tim living off and on in the Manor from time to time. But yes he spent more time on his own.
He didn't just spent more time on his own, like I said before there were long periods of time were they had no contact at all (Knightfall, No Man's Land, Fugitive, after War Games, when Tim was in Brentwood), and if you really look in the comics you will hardly find any after Knightfall, where Tim really acts a partner/sidekick for Bruce. He was most of the time just an ally like Nightwing or Batgirl.
If we roughly estimate that Tim was only half the time with Bruce (which seems reasonable) he was effectively just Bruce partner for 2 years, which is comparable to Jason.
@aahz: Oh ok the way you explain it makes a whole lot more sense and I agree, but taking all of that into the account. Wouldn't that make Tim more qualified for the Batman mantel ?
Could he? Yeah. He's got the skill. Will he? Probably not. If they ever boot Gordon out of the role or kill Bruce off again, they'll probably just stick Dick back in the cowl.
Well, i wouldnt want him to. First, bruce is never stepping down, he is a fan favorite and its just not happening in a permanent way. Maybe Tim could fill the shoes for a while but i doubt it.
To this day pre 52 Tim remains my favorite character in DC, and i felt it was a crime getting rid of all his character development with this cash grab they called new 52. Red robin was a fantastic run, and i cant help but feel DC took a dump on the character by giving him to lodbell. Who changed his name, his parents, his personality, his set of skills and talents, his background, and p. much everything else. Tim drake isnt even his real name in new 52. I can only wish the real tim drake is shown to us, witnessing the death of this impostor, if at all possible.
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