http://groups.myspace.com/detectivecomics

in the above listed Myspace group, there is a tread going on in which a ton of people seem to believe that the ill trained Terry could really beat Tim.

I find that most of you here are actual comics fans, where as it seem most of them are cartoon junkies. Join that group and give your opinions.

Tim could win if we are talking about present tim but if we r talking about tim joker of the movie then terry wins

Terry may be stronger but just that
Drake takes it

i love Tim but Terry is just to good Terry has Tech From the future

I only know of him from the show. However it seems like Tim has more experience and he has beaten lady Shiva in a sparring match and Batman has called her the best martial artist on the planet. She even trained batman. Terry is just a good fighter with a great mentor and great tech.