Is it really that big a deal?

#1 Posted by htb106 (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

Tim changing his name to Red Robin instead of Robin, it's one word, he's hardly changed his name.

He has the same Robin costume, he still helps Batman but he's just added Red to his name.

I'm a big Tim Drake fan but I really don't mind this cahnge.

But what does everybody else think?

#2 Posted by Spectre108 (269 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really think it's a huge deal, either. I think why people are ticked is because the Robin name is sort of like a legacy (or somethin' like that) and everyone felt the legacy was pooped on. Don't take me up on that though, I could be dead wrong.

#3 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12392 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, it does. And the fact that I actually have to explain why is freaking depressing.

#4 Posted by SupBatz (1670 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not the biggest fan of Tim in general but I'm not a fan of the name change at all. It's completely unnecessary and it does (slightly) take away from the "legacy" aspect as well as some of what made Tim's original origin so great.

It's not too big of a deal but it does leave me wondering, "What was the point? It doesn't particularly benefit the new story in any way and it really just takes away from some of the more conceptual aspects of Tim's time as Robin."

#5 Posted by TDK_1997 (14387 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't like the idea that Batman didn't need a Robin at all(in the Nightwing book) and I am against the fact that Tim was never called Robin.

#6 Posted by FatesGambler (40 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't get the point either, if anything it shows that he respected the name Robin

#7 Edited by cameron83 (6499 posts) - - Show Bio

the fact that all of you think it changes anything is freaking depressing and ridiculous.

IT is one word.please,just ignore it.Maybe he didn't want disrespect for the one who previously died.Makes more sense than Jason todd dying and batman (apparently) cares (cares so much that he gets a robin 5 seconds later,and great respect tim,taking the mantle robin in less than 5 seconds,no wonder jason todd is pissed).

#8 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think the name change should be that big of a deal. I can understand some people's disdain for the change, but I'm okay with it, especially considering some characters haven't even shown up in the New52.

The whole parents change is a HUGE deal though.

#9 Posted by cameron83 (6499 posts) - - Show Bio

@_Black: I agree mostly.

the parents thing is a big deal.But i don't see it in a negative way.I can understand how fans can get a little upset with this.But personally,i never really liked tim drake in the past.He just wan't unique at all.Just like all the others.I just hated how almost every hero in dc was an orphan.I would've switched to marvel

#10 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

@cameron83: I didn't mean to imply that it was a negative change. Well to be fair, Tim didn't start out as an orphan. I thought the murder of Tim's father in Identity Crisis was a huge and great point for the character. But the purpose of the New52 is for DC to tell new stories so that is what they can do with this change.

#11 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12392 posts) - - Show Bio

@cameron83 said:

the fact that all of you think it changes anything is freaking depressing and ridiculous.

IT is one word.please,just ignore it.Maybe he didn't want disrespect for the one who previously died.Makes more sense than Jason todd dying and batman (apparently) cares (cares so much that he gets a robin 5 seconds later,and great respect tim,taking the mantle robin in less than 5 seconds,no wonder jason todd is pissed).

Not when you actually use your brain

look at it this way einstein

Tim always being Red Robin is crap because it negates the very thing that made the Red Robin persona special. It was To Tim what Nightwing is to Dick and what Red Hood is to Jason. It was Tim's ultimate expression, him finally utilizing his full potential following a path that walked the thin line between hero and anti-hero. With Tim immediately taking that mantle, it removes most if not all the gravity behind it. The explanation of Tim taking it to "set himself apart" is crap because Tim was always light years apart from them. One of Tim's saving graces was that he was the slightly stiff sweetheart of the Robins, now he's an obnoxious dick measuring tool who wants to be Robin to make himself feel better. He was the smart one with a non tragic past who became Robin not because someone killed his mommy and daddy but because it was the right thing to do, because Batman needed him but didn't want to admit it. He also had way more leeway than the other Robin's, taking on his own missions he had his own Rogues gallery!?! Something Dick didn't gain until After he became Nightwing and something Jason has NEVER had. But now Lobdell's reasoning is "well, he's different because he was always Red now!!! A-hyuck, a-hyuck, a-hyuck".

#12 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12392 posts) - - Show Bio

@htb106 said:

Tim changing his name to Red Robin instead of Robin, it's one word, he's hardly changed his name.

He has the same Robin costume, he still helps Batman but he's just added Red to his name.

I'm a big Tim Drake fan but I really don't mind this cahnge.

But what does everybody else think?

may i ask how much experience you had with Tim Drake before the reboot?

#13 Posted by lilcraig92 (80 posts) - - Show Bio

Tim Drake got a spinoff hero name, LAME lol

#14 Posted by xtremekidx (576 posts) - - Show Bio

i am happy about it just cause this makes tim a bit special.he just didnt succeed a role but created his own with a bit of an homage to the dead jason...

#15 Posted by CapFanboy (4520 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

@cameron83 said:

the fact that all of you think it changes anything is freaking depressing and ridiculous.

IT is one word.please,just ignore it.Maybe he didn't want disrespect for the one who previously died.Makes more sense than Jason todd dying and batman (apparently) cares (cares so much that he gets a robin 5 seconds later,and great respect tim,taking the mantle robin in less than 5 seconds,no wonder jason todd is pissed).

Not when you actually use your brain

look at it this way einstein

Tim always being Red Robin is crap because it negates the very thing that made the Red Robin persona special. It was To Tim what Nightwing is to Dick and what Red Hood is to Jason. It was Tim's ultimate expression, him finally utilizing his full potential following a path that walked the thin line between hero and anti-hero. With Tim immediately taking that mantle, it removes most if not all the gravity behind it. The explanation of Tim taking it to "set himself apart" is crap because Tim was always light years apart from them. One of Tim's saving graces was that he was the slightly stiff sweetheart of the Robins, now he's an obnoxious dick measuring tool who wants to be Robin to make himself feel better. He was the smart one with a non tragic past who became Robin not because someone killed his mommy and daddy but because it was the right thing to do, because Batman needed him but didn't want to admit it. He also had way more leeway than the other Robin's, taking on his own missions he had his own Rogues gallery!?! Something Dick didn't gain until After he became Nightwing and something Jason has NEVER had. But now Lobdell's reasoning is "well, he's different because he was always Red now!!! A-hyuck, a-hyuck, a-hyuck".

X-Bolt, have I ever told you how much I love you...actually, don't answer that...

#16 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12392 posts) - - Show Bio

@Capfanboy: It's ok Cappie....you don't have to say I thing. I know......I can feel it inside.

#17 Posted by Shotgun (900 posts) - - Show Bio

@xtremekidx said:

i am happy about it just cause this makes tim a bit special.he just didnt succeed a role but created his own with a bit of an homage to the dead jason...

This. When Tim corrected Bruce on his new code-name and told Bruce that it was out of respect for the then-deceased Jason, I gained a lot of respect for him.

#18 Posted by darth_jones (110 posts) - - Show Bio

@htb106: The name change isn't really what's at issue. The fact that he started as Red Robin, does take away from his character development because he didn't graduate to the role. But the new origin takes away Tim as the hope that inspired Batman, it takes away his detective skills which was always a large part of his character since he wanted to succeed Batman as the World's Greatest Detective. Tim used to be smart and careful and compassionate. Now he's a selfish tool who stole from the penguin to prove himself. It's not just the name change, it's the fact that there's a new character parading around pretending to Tim Drake. If you were a "huge Tim Drake fan" you'd understand.

#19 Edited by Dernman (14604 posts) - - Show Bio

It doesn't bother me. The only problem I have is the fact it sounds dumb but then again if you think about it the Robin isn't much better.

#20 Posted by iragulasuperbia (103 posts) - - Show Bio

I definitely prefer having Red Robin rather than three or four Robins running around. I mean, Damian's Robin right now. What should Tim Drake be calling himself? Red Robin works just fine. Maybe they could come up with a better name, something more original, but Red Robin does have that legacy to it. I also agree with some others that he should have started out as just Robin.

#21 Posted by BatWatch (2349 posts) - - Show Bio

It's an unnecessary change, but that is the smallest of the changes made to Tim's history. The one that is most upsetting to me is the way he got the job. Not only did he stumble into it through incompetence, he endangered his parents' lives in the process. The current Tim Drake is arrogant, dangerous, incompetent and evil in his new origin story.

#22 Posted by xmentas (175 posts) - - Show Bio

I like it....REDDD ROBIN, YUMMMM!

#23 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1661 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt:

#24 Posted by Fallen_Crippled (6408 posts) - - Show Bio

Everytime I hear it, I cant help but to think of the restaurant or someone saying, "Red Robin...." "Yummmmmmmmmmm."

#25 Posted by StrangeMan (407 posts) - - Show Bio

Basically what Avenging-X-Bolt said, and the sad part is that this isn't even the worst thing about New 52 Tim...

#26 Posted by Rabidwolfdog (259 posts) - - Show Bio

its a Pizza burger joint of course its a problem. Might at well have him fight The Hamburgler ,Grimace and Mc Tonight. Takes orders from Mayor Mccheese.

#27 Posted by ME24601 (118 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact that he was always Red Robin doesn't bother me. It's everything else about the New 52 Tim Drake that bothers me.

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