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#51 Posted by Sinfulplayerx (193 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice job 80sBaby! That's what I'm talkin about. ;)

#52 Posted by 80sBaby (1345 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sinfulplayerx said:

Nice job 80sBaby! That's what I'm talkin about. ;)

Appreciate it!

#53 Posted by Russel70 (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby: True, but those can also be considered bad writing because he has tons of feats that go against it. The same with Hulk. He lost in a fist fight against Dr.Doom and got owned by Captain America, but he has feats to prove those as bad writing.

Sorry, but I'm not buying that. For someone that is always displayed and stated to be a raging monster I think indicates he doesn't really hold back much. I can believe it in his WWH storyline, but not for his general character

You sure about that? If I'm not mistaken Thor being in the state that he was did more damage to the surrounding area rather than to the Hulk himself, so I don't think he really tanked the full impact of the lightning. However I'm not positive on that, so correct me if I'm wrong. But disregarding any questionable assumptions, It's fair to say Thor could still take him down by continuously hitting him with his lightning. As for the "Hulk hitting Thor with his hammer" thing, I can't rule that as anything but really poor writing. And I'm not just saying that. Thor has loads of strength feats that prove he could of overpowered him, as well as loads of durability feats that prove he wouldn't have gone down so easily, and just the fact that he could have directed the hammer into Hulk and sent him flying or used lighting radial attacks to blast him away indicate that scene shouldn't be taken anymore seriously then if Thor grabbed Hulks fist and beat him with it. It's just plain out stupid, really.

The anti blast took out Mangog, who is much more durable than Hulk, and you seem to be contradicting yourself. You said things shouldn't be based off single incidents, yet you appear to be basing Hulks durability off one feat, which was very questionable as it is. Pal, can you tell me the last time Hulk tanked an attack that supposedly "destroyed a universe"? Consistent showings over a period of time say he couldn't even tank a planet busting attack as he has consistently been taken down and just harmed for that matter by less.

I'm sure Thor could incapacitate him to charge it up, but it doesn't matter as he doesn't need to resort to that anyways

Look the point is, neither you or the Hulk has shown anything CONSISTENT to suggest he could survive a planet busting attack, let alone multiple ones. You showed a scan of him survive the force of being propelled into an asteroid 2x the size of Earth which is fine because I know Hulk is durable towards that kind of thing, but Thor can bust planets which are more dense and destructive than even asteroids of that size, and I doubt Hulk could survive MULTIPLE blows of that magnitude. But that aside, the other scans you posted weren't even close to Thor's kind of magic. Show me that Hulk has consistently tanked multiple magic and weather attacks capable of destroying planets and hurting sky father level beings and abstracts, then we could talk. Until then, I'm very inclined to believe Hulk has zero chance against Thor's best, especially when he rivals guys like Abomination and Namor, two guys Thor has easily 1 shotted without even trying

#54 Posted by Russel70 (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sinfulplayerx said:

However....Let me get this straight. It's either bad writting..... or it's plot devices.... or maybe another time it's Hulks too popular.... or maybe even it's Thor holds back for the 5000th time.... then once Thor beats Hulk it's " WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS..... MY FRIENDS".

It's not always like that. Some of his wins against Hulk ARE obvious plot devices and crap writing due to popularity, but if Hulk beats him in a brawl, I see no reason for that to be considered poor writing. Why? They both have been consistently shown to be pretty even in that kind of fight, where both have won and lost some. But nonsense like him taking out Thor with his own damn hammer or crushing mjolnir is just stupid. Hey, same with Thor sometimes. Remember the fight where Thor beat Hulk AND Thing without the Odin Force or Mjolnir with only one arm? Consistent showings prove there's no way in hell he could pull that off, so Hulks not the only one with bad writing on his side

#55 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@Russel70: just to make it clear that thor one-shotting abomination is Bad writing, the guy is somewhat class 150 tons to 200 tons and hulk has trouble beating every time, so yeah it's bad writing , as for hulks durability feats,:

hulk has also tanked a shot form emma frost , who had 1/2 of the phoenix force, and showed no Singh of damage whatsoever

hulk Resisted blasts form galactus

Resisted a full blast from Hero Kala , hulk's dark son. The feat is impressive because same person was capable of moving a planet from microverse to macroverse (Sakaar Son of Hulk: Realm of Kings) and moving the planet around in space as a spaceship (Incredible Hulk: Dark Son- 610 to 616)

here is a demonstration on how powerful Hiro-Kala is

and here is hulk surviving a planets destruction , however some users would agrue with me on this, but i see no indication that he died.

destroying a planet in the dark dimension

this is all i could come up with in such short notice, i'm kind of in a hurry.

#56 Posted by Sinfulplayerx (193 posts) - - Show Bio

Still got to admit Russel70 that what I wrote was pretty funny. TheAcidSkull has an awesome "Respect The Hulk" page for more good stuff.

#57 Edited by 80sBaby (1345 posts) - - Show Bio

@Russel70 said:

@80sBaby: True, but those can also be considered bad writing because he has tons of feats that go against it. The same with Hulk. He lost in a fist fight against Dr.Doom and got owned by Captain America, but he has feats to prove those as bad writing.

Sorry, but I'm not buying that. For someone that is always displayed and stated to be a raging monster I think indicates he doesn't really hold back much. I can believe it in his WWH storyline, but not for his general character

You sure about that? If I'm not mistaken Thor being in the state that he was did more damage to the surrounding area rather than to the Hulk himself, so I don't think he really tanked the full impact of the lightning. However I'm not positive on that, so correct me if I'm wrong. But disregarding any questionable assumptions, It's fair to say Thor could still take him down by continuously hitting him with his lightning. As for the "Hulk hitting Thor with his hammer" thing, I can't rule that as anything but really poor writing. And I'm not just saying that. Thor has loads of strength feats that prove he could of overpowered him, as well as loads of durability feats that prove he wouldn't have gone down so easily, and just the fact that he could have directed the hammer into Hulk and sent him flying or used lighting radial attacks to blast him away indicate that scene shouldn't be taken anymore seriously then if Thor grabbed Hulks fist and beat him with it. It's just plain out stupid, really.

The anti blast took out Mangog, who is much more durable than Hulk, and you seem to be contradicting yourself. You said things shouldn't be based off single incidents, yet you appear to be basing Hulks durability off one feat, which was very questionable as it is. Pal, can you tell me the last time Hulk tanked an attack that supposedly "destroyed a universe"? Consistent showings over a period of time say he couldn't even tank a planet busting attack as he has consistently been taken down and just harmed for that matter by less.

I'm sure Thor could incapacitate him to charge it up, but it doesn't matter as he doesn't need to resort to that anyways

Look the point is, neither you or the Hulk has shown anything CONSISTENT to suggest he could survive a planet busting attack, let alone multiple ones. You showed a scan of him survive the force of being propelled into an asteroid 2x the size of Earth which is fine because I know Hulk is durable towards that kind of thing, but Thor can bust planets which are more dense and destructive than even asteroids of that size, and I doubt Hulk could survive MULTIPLE blows of that magnitude. But that aside, the other scans you posted weren't even close to Thor's kind of magic. Show me that Hulk has consistently tanked multiple magic and weather attacks capable of destroying planets and hurting sky father level beings and abstracts, then we could talk. Until then, I'm very inclined to believe Hulk has zero chance against Thor's best, especially when he rivals guys like Abomination and Namor, two guys Thor has easily 1 shotted without even trying

Hulk has shown restraint on a few occasions. There's a marked difference between Hulk w/Banner versus Hulk without. Until Planet Hulk, Banner had always been at odds with Hulk, so was suppressing him. After sakaar, they were of one-mind and the latest series shows this. So, yes, i'd say the Hulk does 'hold back."

Here's the image from IH #440. Look at the bottom left panel and you'll see Thor hits Hulk full on:

Thor has shown vulnerable to the same attack on more than one occasion, however. As stupid as you think it might be, it's been doen 3 times, that i know of. And Hulk normally proves stronger, physically, than Thor anyways not just this one instance.

Thor beat Mangog by blasting him from the inside. It was specifically mentioned that he was far more vulnerable internally so don't try that. Hulk is just as durable inside as out.

As for consistency? What do you mean? I showed him tanking a universe busting blast as well as someone powerful enough to warp reality. How many times does something need to happen for you to consider it within the realm of plausibility? And what proof do you have as to the density of the planets or asteroids? That's nonsense.

Here's Hulk overcoming an Elders most powerful field:

Here's Hulk punching with enough force to light up a dimension:

Hulk also has many feats showing himself more durable than Thor and Silver Surfer, in direct comparisons. And bringing up Namor and Abomination (who wasn't one-shotted, btw) would be like me bringing up the fact that Thor has underperformed against the U-fores on many occasions or even that Thing apparently "one-shotted" thor just recently.

#58 Posted by Sinfulplayerx (193 posts) - - Show Bio

More food for the Respect the Hulk thread. ;)

#59 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby: Awesome Scans ! but a question? in what issue did hulk break collectors shields.

#60 Posted by 80sBaby (1345 posts) - - Show Bio

It's from IH #198, Acid. I also have a few more you might like, such as Hulk destroying a machine designed to withstand attacks from the Celestials and punching through X-Man (Nate Grey's)full powered TK shield.

#61 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

It's from IH #198, Acid. I also have a few more you might like, such as Hulk destroying a machine designed to withstand attacks from the Celestials and punching through X-Man (Nate Grey's)full powered TK shield.

thanks :D, i have the scans of the celestials, but i don't have Nate grey's shield bustin feat though

#62 Posted by GreenScar1990 (597 posts) - - Show Bio

I despise these idiot Thor fanboys.

They always downgrade the Hulk.

They have this delusion that he's superior to the Hulk, which is the biggest load of BS that I've ever had to deal with.

But I know why you haters dislike the Hulk.

Here's the thing.

Unlike other characters who have been given numerous power-ups, rely on powerful mystical weapons or massive plot-devices to win against powerful beings (Yeah, I'm talking about Thor, Silver Surfer, and Thanos), all that Hulk has ever needed is his limitless gamma power.

I think what irks them the most is that while most heavy hitters, like those I listed and numerous others, have had to rely on power-ups/powerful mystical weapons/massive plot devices, Hulk really hasn't had any of those in his fifty year history.

He's always been The Hulk.

Yes, there's been numerous personas/incarnations, but it's still The Hulk.

It's the fact that his power and abilities are limitless.

He can do things that are impossible, and survive/endure things that even immortals can't.

That's why he has tons of haters.

He's the Strongest One of All.

And may I remind those fanboys that Thor's Godblast hurt a hungry, malnurished Galactus who had been fighting Ego the Living Planet for an extended period of time. You know, I've noticed that a lot of these Thor, Silver Surfer and Thanos fanboys leave a lot of details out when faced with a strong arguement that they can't overcome or get out of.

Come to think of it, when has Thor ever beaten any powerful being/enemy without the aid of Mjolnir, the Odinsword, the OdinForce (which came from Odin and his siblings), some powerful mystical weapon/artifact, or extreme plot-device?

#63 Posted by GreenScar1990 (597 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's some interesting facts about Hulk.

The Hulk's reputation is nothing less than, "The strongest there is." And few are more qualified than General Thunderbolt Ross to describe the Hulk's strength. "Those of you who do know me know that I'm not one for melodrama -- so you'll believe me when I tell you that the Hulk is arguably the most powerful -- and dangerous -- creature to ever walk the Earth!" From Rampaging Hulk #1:

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Army scientist, Dr. Zaxon describes Hulk's vast power as immeasurable. "I can hardly believe these readings! He's a veritable blast furnace of limitless organic energy! There is no way to even measure is strength!" From Tales to Astonish #78:

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Doc Sampson reinforces this with his own battery of tests, "There truly seems to be no limit to the Hulk's strength!" From Incredible Hulk #228:

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Even the mutated super-genius, Leader, realizes, "The tests are worthless! There's no way to measure his strength! There is nothing he cannot do! I cannot build a device powerful enough to test him with!" From Tales to Astonish #73:

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Henry Gyrich debriefs members of the Initiative and reveals that the Hulk is "The original omega level threat." From Avengers Initiative #5:

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Wolverine personally recounts, "It's like he hits ya so damn hard ya actually leave your own body. It's when ya come back that ya feel the pain. An' ya realize yer goin' toe-to-toe with a walkin' earthquake." From Wolverine Origins #28:

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Siryn compares the Hulk to Juggernaut and Deadpool retorts, "The Juggernaut? Compared to the Hulk?! You oughta lay off the glue for a while, babe... it's messing up your perceptions," from Deadpool #4:

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Unfortunately, recognition of the Hulk's power can lead to equal amounts of fear. Such is evident in Reed Richards' rationalization for banishing him, "Time and time again, your anger and power have threatened the entire planet. . . . But for your sake and ours, we're sending you away." From Incredible Hulk vol.2 #92:

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Even his perennial foe, Namor, understood the consequences as he warns the Illuminati of Hulk's inevitable wrath in New Avengers: Illuminati #1:

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That same fear led Tony Stark to specifically invent the power-inhibiting S.P.I.N. technology as revealed in Avengers Initiative #4 and the Superheavy Cell, "a liquid with programmable density" that would be like "dropping raw tonnage on their backs," as revealed in Fear Itself #7.3. But even Stark understands it would only hold him for a little while anyway:

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Nevertheless, his oldest friend, Rick Jones, has never lost faith in the hero inside the monster, even during his rampage in World War Hulk #4:

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And most of the Avengers hold a deep respect for Hulk, especially the big three: Captain America, Iron Man and Thor. From Incredible Hulk #277:

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Thor, in particular, reveals to the Hulk (possessed by Nul the Breaker of Worlds), "I cannot beat you. You know. And I never could." From Fear Itself #5:

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And Cap's remarks during Avengers Vs X-Men #11 say it all, "You know I respect you and your space and I would never come to you unless I was at the end of my rope. . . . I need more firepower. . . . I know you only fight a fight worth fighting. And I'm telling you this is one of those fights. If we lose this we lose everything. Will you help us? Please."

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The American public is also well-aware of the Hulk's power. "There is not a man or woman here who has not heard of the Incredible Hulk... who has not seen -- in newspapers, magazines, on national television news broadcasts -- the images of his power... his unmatched talent for sheer destruction." From Incredible Hulk vol.2 #2:

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The Hulk is famous internationally as well. The Crimson Dynamo remarks, "Though I have heard it said in awed whispers that not even Iron Man and his fellow Avengers have ever prevailed against the Hulk!" From Incredible Hulk #258:

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Hulk's reputation isn't even limited to Earth. Aliens across the cosmos like Kurrgo recognize the Hulk's power, noting him to be the "Earth's strongest creature." From Marvel Feature #11:

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The Skrulls respect Hulk as "the strongest mortal on Earth," from Incredible Hulk #419:

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The alien Toad Men refer to Hulk in awe, "It was a figure that had become legend -- a figure recognizable to any tad old enough to catch his own flies! The most feared creature in all of Toad-Man history -- the Incredible Hulk!" From Defenders vol.2 #8:

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Various villains have recognized the Hulk's power. Apocalypse takes great notice of the Hulk's energies as they "may give [him] power over the Celestials themselves." From Incredible Hulk #456:

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Upon defeat, the apparition of Loki tries to convince Professor Hulk to join him with more than a hint of fear in his voice, "With my puissance, and your potential... none could gainsay us. None could stop us. None could triumph over your might." From Tales to Astonish vol.2 #1:

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The Mad Titan Thanos famously shared such trepidation when faced with the assault of a Power Gem wielding Champion, "In many ways I assume this is what it would be like battling the Terran behemoth, the Hulk. A conflict I've sought to avoid over the years." From Thanos Quest #1:

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Interdimensional rulers like Nightmare also fear the unbridled power of the Hulk. "I have sought to attack [Dr. Strange] in manipulating the dreams of others... such as the brutish Hulk! That attempt was a dismal failure -- one I fear to try again!" From Strange Tales vol.2 #3:

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The All-Father Odin recognized Hulk's power as he watched Thor's first duel with him, "My son fights valiantly, as an immortal should... against a most awesome foe!! Never have I seen him so close to defeat! Never has he faced a mortal of such incomprehensible power!" From Journey Into Mystery #112:

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Even the impossibly powerful Celestials recognize the Hulk's power. Gamiel the Manipulator searched for (and found in Hulk), "evolution's crowning achievement -- the pinnacle of what your species will become..." From Marvel Monsters: Devil Dinosaur #1:

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The most powerful entity in Marvel ever published, the Beyonder, famously commented, "You are nothing but raging power personified! An infinity of power -- with no finite element inside!" From Secret Wars II #2:

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You can view these and a lot more here.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t571911.html

#64 Posted by Russel70 (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby: I understand Banners conscious might influence the Hulk a bit, but not to the point where at least in my opinion would call it "holding back"

Haha, that. Wasn't this in the same issue where a weaker version of Hulk supposedly stalemated a WM Thor in an incredibly questionable and illogical fight? Well I really don't want to try and downgrade Hulk here, so I think it's agreeable to say his lightning can still take Hulk down, whether that be in a single bolt or a few

Yeah I just remembered the details of his incident with Mangog, so sorry for the misinformation. Nonetheless, it is quite a powerful attack. Actually, it took out a Thanosi, so I see no reason for it not to take out Hulk

What other times has Thor been beat with his hammer? The only other ones I recall were non canon and one with Red Hulk, which was dumb as there's no reason the enchantment would be cancelled in outer space, and anything with Red Hulk should never be taken seriously anyways. Furthermore, sometimes even things that happen more than once can be considered PIS

What consistency did you even show me? You posted a scan of him tanking a "universe busting attack", and the rest weren't even close to that. The one where he resisted the attack that warped a bit of reality doesn't mean anything. You said yourself that guy was pushing his limits, whereas Thor has tore a portion of reality with one hammer strike, and you showed nothing else including that one which was close to Thor's best. Oh and for the record, Mjolnirs blast overpowered a universal weapon, so even that one absurd feat still doesn't guarantee anything for Hulk.

I also disagree with you saying Hulk is stronger and more durable than Thor. Towards blunt force? Sure, but towards attacks of any other nature no. Hes survived blasts from sky fathers and celestials.

#65 Edited by Sinfulplayerx (193 posts) - - Show Bio

This is why this debate never ends. Thorinites and Hulksters unite! It doesn't matter which is your favorite. All that matters is "Hulk Smashes" so "Have at Thee"! BTW nice post GreenScar1990. ^^

#66 Posted by Russel70 (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull: You think Thor 1 shotting Abomb is bad writing because Hulk has trouble with him? Please, Thor rivals guys Silver Surfer and Beta Ray Bill. Its not very hard to believe he can easily defeat brick level characters if he isn't being careless

#67 Posted by Sinfulplayerx (193 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah AcidSkull it's only bad writing when it makes Thorinites upset. I thought We went thru this in ComicVine rule # 7919282938487474757475 and 2. Thor > all in the Forums..... but Hulk > all in Marvel Comics. OOps I blame WikiLeaks. ~DeadPool

#68 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@Russel70 said:

@TheAcidSkull: You think Thor 1 shotting Abomb is bad writing because Hulk has trouble with him? Please, Thor rivals guys Silver Surfer and Beta Ray Bill. Its not very hard to believe he can easily defeat brick level characters if he isn't being careless

yes it's PIS, abomination is very durable and strong psychically.

#69 Posted by GreenScar1990 (597 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk destroying Night Crawler's Dimensional Universe a one time feat?

Please. Hulk has destroyed another dimensional universe as well.

A Mindless Hulk literally tears Nightmare's Realm apart in Incredible Hulk #299:

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#70 Posted by GreenScar1990 (597 posts) - - Show Bio

And another thing that I'm tired of hearing.

These idiotic Thor fanboys boasting that Hulk can't survive a God Blast.

There's no solid proof that it would defeat the Hulk.

None.

Nada.

Zero.

Zip.

Can he take that kind of an assault and keep on coming?

Yes, and he's proven it.

Even with all of his arsenal, or should I say mostly that of the mystical weapon Mjolnir, Thor can and has only managed to match the Hulk in all of their confrontations. There's never really been a clear victor. They're simply very evenly matched.

And you, my friend, don't let these freaking Thor, Thanos, or Silver Surfer fanboys bully you into believing that their favorites can beat the Hulk. It's all nothing but a big load of BS that they try to shove down everyone's throat, whether they're a Hulk fan or not. I know the facts about comics, the evidence presented before me, and thus I am more than capable of judging myself. You should be able to as well.

#71 Posted by Sinfulplayerx (193 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk Smash

#72 Posted by Fifthchild (618 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

@Russel70: Basically, your post shows a few of Thor's high-end showings and assumes that Hulk couldn't withstand them. The problem being it ignores the Plot Device that is Hulk's power-set. Hulk has an extremely high level of durability and one of the best healing factors in comics. Many times his opponents have tried attacks that SHOULD take him out yet they fail. There's no guarantee that an "All-Out" Thor would defeat Hulk. So, while it's certainly possible for Thor to win, I also wouldn't be surprised if Hulk was able to tank Thor's best. Some people might blame this on PIS, favoritism, popularity, etc but those are cop-outs since you could say the same about Thor's high-end feats (or any character really.) That's why I generally choose to view a chracter's average.

80sBaby just nailed it pretty much. The whole "Thor is obviously Hulk's superior" argument involves cherry-picking a bunch of Thors highest showings comparing them to Hulks average showings and ignoring pretty much everything else that ever happened between the two or that doesnt fit this narrative as "PIS" or "Marvel protecting Hulk due to popularity".

#73 Posted by 80sBaby (1345 posts) - - Show Bio

Thank you, Fifthchild. That's my point exactly. Admittedly, Hulk doesn't have as many feats against cosmics as Thor but he doesn't fight them nearly as often, either. However, whenever he has been faced with opponents capable of destroying the Universe, machines that can take attacks from Celestials or even reality warpers, he's done very well. He's directly shown, on multiple occasions, to be physically above Surfer and Thor. There's no reason to assume that he wouldn't likewise do well against an "All-out" Thor.

#74 Edited by Sinfulplayerx (193 posts) - - Show Bio

Good job men. Has anyone seen my purple pants I can't seem to find them. Very good points you guys have my respect.

#75 Edited by Crotchmen (8 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fifthchild said:

80sBaby just nailed it pretty much. The whole "Thor is obviously Hulk's superior" argument involves cherry-picking a bunch of Thors highest showings comparing them to Hulks average showings and ignoring pretty much everything else that ever happened between the two or that doesnt fit this narrative as "PIS" or "Marvel protecting Hulk due to popularity".

Not really. I mean, I'm sure there are Thor fans that do that, just like Hulk fans, but when you compare them by their overall feats, powers, and abilities Thor in my opinion is vastly superior in almost every category. Russel70 actually nailed this. He pretty much showed what Thor is capable of doing to quite easily manhandle Hulk at any given time and not lose to him, but whether you want to believe it or not, things like plot and popularity DO come into play that prevent that. For example, his lightning. What answer would Hulk have for that? It's already taken him down before, so whats stopping Thor from using that ability in all of their fights? Would he lose then? The answer is NO. That's why writers constantly make them slug it out so Hulk fans, such as yourself, won't get mad and stop buying his comics.

#76 Edited by gou10t (19 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crotchmen said:

@Fifthchild said:

80sBaby just nailed it pretty much. The whole "Thor is obviously Hulk's superior" argument involves cherry-picking a bunch of Thors highest showings comparing them to Hulks average showings and ignoring pretty much everything else that ever happened between the two or that doesnt fit this narrative as "PIS" or "Marvel protecting Hulk due to popularity".

Not really. I mean, I'm sure there are Thor fans that do that, just like Hulk fans, but when you compare them by their overall feats, powers, and abilities Thor in my opinion is vastly superior in almost every category. Russel70 actually nailed this. He pretty much showed what Thor is capable of doing to quite easily manhandle Hulk at any given time and not lose to him, but whether you want to believe it or not, things like plot and popularity DO come into play that prevent that. For example, his lightning. What answer would Hulk have for that? It's already taken him down before, so whats stopping Thor from using that ability in all of their fights? Would he lose then? The answer is NO. That's why writers constantly make them slug it out so Hulk fans, such as yourself, won't get mad and stop buying his comics.

Thor's lightning strikes are just Thor's power in the form of electricity. His power can be magnified by his hammer, the Mjolnir, but it is still equal to the superhuman power that Thor throws into a punch.

There is no difference between Thor striking the Hulk with his fists or his lightning.

#77 Edited by Fifthchild (618 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crotchmen said:

@Fifthchild said:

80sBaby just nailed it pretty much. The whole "Thor is obviously Hulk's superior" argument involves cherry-picking a bunch of Thors highest showings comparing them to Hulks average showings and ignoring pretty much everything else that ever happened between the two or that doesnt fit this narrative as "PIS" or "Marvel protecting Hulk due to popularity".

Not really. I mean, I'm sure there are Thor fans that do that, just like Hulk fans, but when you compare them by their overall feats, powers, and abilities Thor in my opinion is vastly superior in almost every category. Russel70 actually nailed this. He pretty much showed what Thor is capable of doing to quite easily manhandle Hulk at any given time and not lose to him, but whether you want to believe it or not, things like plot and popularity DO come into play that prevent that.

Whats to say that "plot and popularity" didnt come into play all the times Thor did something that make you conclude he should beat the Hulk? How many times that Thor pulled some weird one-off power out of Mjolnir was because the writer was just trying to give Thor a way to win rather than following what should really happen?

These are fictional stories so whoever wins a fight is determined by a writer and not a battle computer but that doesnt mean that it always works to Hulks benefit or to Thor's detriment.

For example, his lightning. What answer would Hulk have for that?

His answer would generally be his massive durability and healing factor and ability to get more powerful as a fight goes on.

It's already taken him down before, so whats stopping Thor from using that ability in all of their fights?

But now we are going down the path of cherry-picking Thors best moments against Hulks average or worst. Hulk has taken the lightning before and shrugged it off or outright ignored it. But it KOed him once and for some people thats now becomes the way it should always be.

Would he lose then? The answer is NO. That's why writers constantly make them slug it out so Hulk fans, such as yourself, won't get mad and stop buying his comics.

Hulk once KOed Rulk with one thunderclap. This was a Rulk who was at his most powerful ever - more powerful than when he defeated Odinpowered Thor, Surfer, a Watcher etc - and he had just drained Hulk of energy and hit him as hard as he could. Obviously such a thunderclap would instantly KO or perhaps even kill Thor. But writers seek to protect Thor by nerfing Hulk's true strength when he fights Thor :-| Essentially i dont see that as too dissimilar to the sort of argument that Russel70 or yourself are making.

At the end of the day theres a huge degree of judgement that a writer can exercise over how a fight goes down. e.g. Is Thors lightning so powerful that Hulk cant reach him before he is KOed? Is Hulk's healing factor so powerful that Thor cant dish out enough damage to put Hulk down? These are all things that different writers might see differently and write differently without any consideration given to what Hulk fans want to see.

There were a lot of Thor fans who assumed that Thor would start kicking the Hulks ass after his first movie did well because to them it was clear that the only reason Thor didnt beat Hulk all the time was because Hulk once had a successful TV series that made him more popular with the general public. Once Thor was more commercially successful than Hulk, with his two failed movie franchises the Hulk would be toast.

#78 Posted by Crotchmen (8 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fifthchild said:

@Crotchmen said:

@Fifthchild said:

80sBaby just nailed it pretty much. The whole "Thor is obviously Hulk's superior" argument involves cherry-picking a bunch of Thors highest showings comparing them to Hulks average showings and ignoring pretty much everything else that ever happened between the two or that doesnt fit this narrative as "PIS" or "Marvel protecting Hulk due to popularity".

Not really. I mean, I'm sure there are Thor fans that do that, just like Hulk fans, but when you compare them by their overall feats, powers, and abilities Thor in my opinion is vastly superior in almost every category. Russel70 actually nailed this. He pretty much showed what Thor is capable of doing to quite easily manhandle Hulk at any given time and not lose to him, but whether you want to believe it or not, things like plot and popularity DO come into play that prevent that.

Whats to say that "plot and popularity" didnt come into play all the times Thor did something that make you conclude he should beat the Hulk? How many times that Thor pulled some weird one-off power out of Mjolnir was because the writer was just trying to give Thor a way to win rather than following what should really happen?

These are fictional stories so whoever wins a fight is determined by a writer and not a battle computer but that doesnt mean that it always works to Hulks benefit or to Thor's detriment.

For example, his lightning. What answer would Hulk have for that?

His answer would generally be his massive durability and healing factor and ability to get more powerful as a fight goes on.

It's already taken him down before, so whats stopping Thor from using that ability in all of their fights?

But now we are going down the path of cherry-picking Thors best moments against Hulks average or worst. Hulk has taken the lightning before and shrugged it off or outright ignored it. But it KOed him once and for some people thats now becomes the way it should always be.

Would he lose then? The answer is NO. That's why writers constantly make them slug it out so Hulk fans, such as yourself, won't get mad and stop buying his comics.

Hulk once KOed Rulk with one thunderclap. This was a Rulk who was at his most powerful ever - more powerful than when he defeated Odinpowered Thor, Surfer, a Watcher etc - and he had just drained Hulk of energy and hit him as hard as he could. Obviously such a thunderclap would instantly KO or perhaps even kill Thor. But writers seek to protect Thor by nerfing Hulk's true strength when he fights Thor :-| Essentially i dont see that as too dissimilar to the sort of argument that Russel70 or yourself are making.

At the end of the day theres a huge degree of judgement that a writer can exercise over how a fight goes down. e.g. Is Thors lightning so powerful that Hulk cant reach him before he is KOed? Is Hulk's healing factor so powerful that Thor cant dish out enough damage to put Hulk down? These are all things that different writers might see differently and write differently without any consideration given to what Hulk fans want to see.

There were a lot of Thor fans who assumed that Thor would start kicking the Hulks ass after his first movie did well because to them it was clear that the only reason Thor didnt beat Hulk all the time was because Hulk once had a successful TV series that made him more popular with the general public. Once Thor was more commercially successful than Hulk, with his two failed movie franchises the Hulk would be toast.

Why should it? Mjolnir is a very powerful weapon that obviously has a lot of abilities. Thor is known for his versatility. If you want to consider it a plot weapon go ahead, but that wasn't what I meant when I mentioned plot and popularity. I was just saying that he has a huge armada of powers he could use against Hulk, but instead slugs it out because of those reasons and morals.

When exactly has Hulk shrugged off Thor's lightning? I recall it always giving him trouble and bringing him to his knees. I'm not saying that just because he KOed him with it once that he could repeat that every time, but its logical to say that if he continuously hit him with it, then hes going to be brought down, and Hulk has no way to counter that.

Red Hulk? Nobody takes that character seriously. Every time hes even mentioned the whole Loebforce thing is brought up. Losing to him shouldn't be a bad thing and beating him shouldn't be a good thing. If you want to conclude that a thunderclap that took out Red Hulk would kill Thor, and that writers "nerf" Hulks "true power", whatever that "true power" is, then be my guest.

The point is, I just think Thor is simply to powerful and too versatile for Hulk to logically win. He has powers that he could use to easily put down the Hulk, with Hulk having no real way to counter it. Feel free to disagree

#79 Posted by GreenScar1990 (597 posts) - - Show Bio

More BS from Thor fanboys. Mjolnir is what makes Thor powerful. It's what gives him an edge and allows him to wins 95% of all his confrontations. If it fails, he usually has to rely on powerful mystical weapon(s) or a massive plot-device or two to actually win against powerful beings.

Take away all those mentioned above and basically we have an Asgardian version of Hercules, which is still very impressive overall. It's one of the many reasons why I'll take Herc over Thor any day of the week. Now only if Herc were back to full-power again and have his own series...

#80 Posted by TheGodofThunder (599 posts) - - Show Bio

@GreenScar1990: You complain about thor fanboys but look at you. Your just as big a hulk fanboy as any thor fanboy on here.

#81 Posted by GreenScar1990 (597 posts) - - Show Bio

Wrong.

I'm looking at this in a neutral light.

Yes, I admit I favor Hulk, but I also like Thor. They're both great characters. In fact, both are Marvel's best heavyhitters. If a powerful threat comes along, these two would be my first choice to put on the front lines.

What I hate about Thor fanboys is the fact that they boast Thor's greatest feats above those of the Hulk and/or know nothing of the character or his history. And unlike most, I state the facts and speak my mind on the subject. That's why I'm posting in the first place.

#82 Posted by CharlesMartel (114 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice blog. I agree Thor can easily win if he used his powers and abilities. I'm also pretty sure Thor actually has more wins over the Hulk as well

#83 Posted by Pyrogram (40933 posts) - - Show Bio

@CharlesMartel said:

Nice blog. I agree Thor can easily win if he used his powers and abilities. I'm also pretty sure Thor actually has more wins over the Hulk as well

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