no she is thor, you may not like it, but she is thor

As much as you would want Jane to be Thor it just simply is not the case. Like a drop of water trying to be the ocean. Just is not possible.

its not what i want

it just is what it is

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

she is the real thor

no she is Jane that is far from the real Thor that would be Jane... All day long seven days a week.

no she is thor, you may not like it, but she is thor

As much as you would want Jane to be Thor it just simply is not the case. Like a drop of water trying to be the ocean. Just is not possible.

its not what i want

it just is what it is

I have to be honest I really do not care. I wait for the one and only Thor to return to his own book. Not Jane and I was never a Jane fan anyway. Hammer no hammer she is a horrible character.

Every poll ive seen on this has a similar outcome

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

she is the real thor

no she is Jane that is far from the real Thor that would be Jane... All day long seven days a week.

no she is thor, you may not like it, but she is thor

As much as you would want Jane to be Thor it just simply is not the case. Like a drop of water trying to be the ocean. Just is not possible.

its not what i want

it just is what it is

I have to be honest I really do not care. I wait for the one and only Thor to return to his own book. Not Jane and I was never a Jane fan anyway. Hammer no hammer she is a horrible character.

i mean no matter what you want she is thor i mean her book is on shelves and the ptb have made it so

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

she is the real thor

no she is Jane that is far from the real Thor that would be Jane... All day long seven days a week.

no she is thor, you may not like it, but she is thor

As much as you would want Jane to be Thor it just simply is not the case. Like a drop of water trying to be the ocean. Just is not possible.

its not what i want

it just is what it is

I have to be honest I really do not care. I wait for the one and only Thor to return to his own book. Not Jane and I was never a Jane fan anyway. Hammer no hammer she is a horrible character.

i mean no matter what you want she is thor i mean her book is on shelves and the ptb have made it so

I want a big mac and large fry. hey and super size my coke to.

You cannot be Jane and Thor as well it just is not possible. They have pills for that kind of thinking.

Why not just leave Thor as whom he is. Let Jane stay Jane. We already have a Thorgirl and she does not claim to be Thor.

Maybe its the cancer talking. Hell next week she may claim to be a chicken or a duck or heck Loki. Gender issues I guess up animal issues as well.

cancer may have spread to the brain they may want to just put the poor girl down.

It would be for the best lol

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

she is the real thor

no she is Jane that is far from the real Thor that would be Jane... All day long seven days a week.

no she is thor, you may not like it, but she is thor

As much as you would want Jane to be Thor it just simply is not the case. Like a drop of water trying to be the ocean. Just is not possible.

its not what i want

it just is what it is

I have to be honest I really do not care. I wait for the one and only Thor to return to his own book. Not Jane and I was never a Jane fan anyway. Hammer no hammer she is a horrible character.

i mean no matter what you want she is thor i mean her book is on shelves and the ptb have made it so

I want a big mac and large fry. hey and super size my coke to.

You cannot be Jane and Thor as well it just is not possible. They have pills for that kind of thinking.

Why not just leave Thor as whom he is. Let Jane stay Jane. We already have a Thorgirl and she does not claim to be Thor.

Maybe its the cancer talking. Hell next week she may claim to be a chicken or a duck or heck Loki. Gender issues I guess up animal issues as well.

cancer may have spread to the brain they may want to just put the poor girl down.

It would be for the best lol

well she has the hammer so she can be whatever she wants and she so happened to take the mantle of thor so its hers

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

she is the real thor

no she is Jane that is far from the real Thor that would be Jane... All day long seven days a week.

no she is thor, you may not like it, but she is thor

As much as you would want Jane to be Thor it just simply is not the case. Like a drop of water trying to be the ocean. Just is not possible.

its not what i want

it just is what it is

I have to be honest I really do not care. I wait for the one and only Thor to return to his own book. Not Jane and I was never a Jane fan anyway. Hammer no hammer she is a horrible character.

i mean no matter what you want she is thor i mean her book is on shelves and the ptb have made it so

I want a big mac and large fry. hey and super size my coke to.

You cannot be Jane and Thor as well it just is not possible. They have pills for that kind of thinking.

Why not just leave Thor as whom he is. Let Jane stay Jane. We already have a Thorgirl and she does not claim to be Thor.

Maybe its the cancer talking. Hell next week she may claim to be a chicken or a duck or heck Loki. Gender issues I guess up animal issues as well.

cancer may have spread to the brain they may want to just put the poor girl down.

It would be for the best lol

well she has the hammer so she can be whatever she wants and she so happened to take the mantle of thor so its hers

Thor is not a mantle it was his birth name. Like bob or billy or mike or fred or henry , oh wait Henry is a mantle sorry. Or sue or sally or Jacob or wanda. Names and the hammer never made Thor who he was since he never got it till he was older its not like a rattle. Oh here thor play with this rattle we call it Mjolnir. Um no good try but does not work.

Aaron's a good writer but thora has to stop.

@arthurkerr: its clearly a mantle since odinson doesnt have the title anymore or he'd be on the cover of the comic and not her

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

@arthurkerr said:

@willienotwilliam said:

she is the real thor

no she is Jane that is far from the real Thor that would be Jane... All day long seven days a week.

no she is thor, you may not like it, but she is thor

As much as you would want Jane to be Thor it just simply is not the case. Like a drop of water trying to be the ocean. Just is not possible.

its not what i want

it just is what it is

I have to be honest I really do not care. I wait for the one and only Thor to return to his own book. Not Jane and I was never a Jane fan anyway. Hammer no hammer she is a horrible character.

i mean no matter what you want she is thor i mean her book is on shelves and the ptb have made it so

Actually it matters, i never dislike Jane's character, but how marvel put it she probably will end like one of the most hated characters in the canon, the majority of Thor fan base always rejected the current creative decisions, and marvel comics use this scenario to antagonize Thor fan base and promote this book, but when this run is over Jane will not be remembered as the great character she once was, obviously i not expecting that as proven in this and other threads users without any knowledge on the canon and that only can post linear stuff can understand that Jane was sacrificed for the PR sales...

@asgaard: like ive said time and time again, it doesnt matter if you like it, she is Thor. your feelings about this wont change the fact that she is Thor. She still has mjolnir, she still has the cover of the comic, and she is still the hero as of now.

Did you read my post? Apparently not... I m not debating what marvel is selling at the moment i m debating the consequences for Jane's character, even with poor knowledge in the canon isn't that hard to understand that this is not like Superior Spider-man scenario, Jane was a character that didn't deserve this fate...

@asgaard: doesnt matter what you think she did or didnt deserve she is thor and thats the only thing i said and the only thing ive been saying since i made my first post

you could go as far as saying she is many things. Thor however is not one of them. To make Thor a mantle is lazy.

I will call a glass of water coffee.but it never will be coffee.

Comic fans are like old people so stuck in their ways which is fine. But what they fail to realize is that the comics industry is a business that is ever changing and as such is susceptible to market fluctuation via changing trends weather it be social,economical, political etc. But as comic book history shows, changes like this don't last and are more gimmicky by nature. Thor Odinson, Wolverine, Cap-Steve will all be back most likely by 2016. Would i like to see Odinson back? Sure, but i all so don't mind seeing things jazzed up a little. And i actually enjoy Jane Foster as the new Thor.

Perhaps your inside the box repetitive thoughts can't realize, but she is selling/promoting the original Thor franchise not Jane's franchise, and Jane should never be a disposable/sacrificed character, the enchantment will always refer to the son of Odin/Gaea and everything in Asgard was build around Thor and Loki, even new creative decisions like Angela, but you and other inside the box users will never understand that, and why Aaron's current writing (character Mjolnir!?) is worse than the crappy Eric Masterson (deceased), some people just follow any editorial lines and buy pr stories even when they are clearly disposable stories, we shall see if my opinion and other fans opinion doesn't matter in the future and if when the Ragnarok movie is released Aaron still is writing Thor...

@asgaard: well no because no opinion you have is able to erase reality, and that reality is: Jane is Thor. You can hate it or love it, agree with the writing but like ive said and the only thing ive said is that she is in fact thor. She holds the title as of now and even when she steps down and Odinson takes its back up she will still have had been Thor in some timeline in some universe that your opinion can not erase. literally the only thing i said this entire time is that she is thor and im not sure if you know what facts are but , heads up, they aren't actually debatable.

Reality? Facts? Erase...We are talking about comic book characters like Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver right?

Eric Masterson, Red Norvell and Jake Olson, all were Thor in the past, what is exactly your point? Do you really thought no one was called Thor before, besides the son of Odin? Go check the Secret Wars book Thors even a frog was Thor, unlike what you first claimed in your first post currently they all are Thor right? Fact? I don't know perhaps just another comic book story...

Jane's problem is that she is a bigger character in the canon than (Eric Masterson, Red Norvell and Jake Olson) combined and worse, none of that characters needed the character Mjolnir to demonstrate their worthy spirit, if there was no problem in sacrificing the unknown Eric and the others for the pr stuff, there is a problem in sacrificing Jane, because in her concept wielding the hammer only the pathetic character Mjolnir is new, personally i love female lead like Sif, Valkyrie and Angela, but Aaron current execution was disastrous...

@asgaard: no my point has alway been that Jane is thor and thats the only thing i said but you and that other dude took offense to it i guess and wont leave me alone

Offense in the internet and in a comic book site? Nahhh

Actually your first claim was that Jane was the REAL Thor, perhaps the (current) word instead of real would fit better since you like to support your claims with "facts" and "accuracy", because Mjolnir enchantment doesn't refers to her, and Eric Masterson, Red Norvell and Jake Olson all were exposed to Thor the son of Odin essence and Jane also was that's the only explanation for her Asgardian behavior and form, and why Aaron introduced character Mjolnir (Dr. Strange Fix the hammer in Thor #602 with the son of Gaea/Odin life force)...

@asgaard: well yeah she is the real thor thats why the story is about her

Obviously...

This is hilarious. Jane Foster is Jane Foster. She is not the Asgardian Norse God of Thunder, son of Odin and Gaea, Thor Odinson. Thor is not a mantle, it is Thor's name. It cannot be passed on. Jason Aaron can stupidly write a story where Thor says that Jane is Thor, but that changes nothing. No matter what he does Thor will always be Thor. It's not like Batman where Bruce can hang up his cowl and move on. Bruce will always be Bruce and Thor will always be Thor and Steve Rogers will always be Steve Rogers and so on and so forth.

@asgaard: glad we agree

Only if you couldn't see Thors cover or can't understand the meaning of sarcasm...

So currently Ultimate Thor is the only Real Thor because the Secret Wars Thors book story is about him? My guess is that are other Thors in Secret Wars...

She is Thor because the son of GAEA allowed, was not her decision, and don't forget that Malekith and Agger and all the Asgardian cast come from TGOT Arcs and without the heir to Asgard's throne Jane couldn't connect with Asgard, is this story really about her? Also remember that Aaron also will have to write about the whisper (probably also will be disastrous writing) and that story is about the Thor that born and will die as Thor and the God of Thunder, even in Aaron's writing Thor was Thor before ever wield Mjolnir...

@asgaard: i never said anything other than Jane is Thor lol and the real thor in the sense that she is the goddess of thunder and wields mjonlir and i haven't tried to say anything but that

So they changed the formula of Coca Cola again, better just sit down and shut up because voicing your opposition to something never made a difference. Just be quiet and accept it, you can't change anything and besides, a small number of people might like the new flavor, so everybody should defer to their tastes. Oh hey, the Nazis took over, better learn that sieg heil and how to goosestep, y'know just following orders, and who are you to be questioning the powers that be? It's Jonestown baby, and that's just the way things are, you'll just have to live with it... in the meantime, have a cup of Kool Aid...

(tongue planted very sarcastically in cheek)

Option 1

Thor also is the God of Thunder without Mjolnir, he born that way that's why the enchantment refers to him and why he is the Original and Real Thor because without him in the equation call Thor to other characters was impossible, they never could have his power...

Thor's weather control, durability, slow aging and other above-normal Asgardian attributes come from his mother the Elder Earth-Goddess GAEA not the Hammer...

For me is always great to demonstrate this stuff to other users (with no knowledge but interested in Thor comics mythology) here in Thor topics... It's great for the character, because sometimes is not easy to maintain Thor in most popular wiki boards...

@asgaard: i never said anything about what thor odinson can or cannot do all i said was that she is the real thor and quite frankly im not going to keep replying with the literal same word for word reply everytime because its just is: she is thor.

@willienotwilliam:

Obviously she is not Thor her name is Jane Foster lol, Thor is the son of Odin and Gaea i call her Thordis because of that "what if" story where Jane also pick Mjolnir, that's also a cool name right? (Camon just a couple more), Thor is still behind Storm on the wiki boards and is only above Hulk and Dc Comics, there aren't any Thor/Asgard comics on this Wednesday, and K . Feige already said that Thor Ragnarok news only after the summer...

@asgaard: Ultimate Thor isn't the only "real" Thor. There's Rune Thor, Destroyer Thor, Frog Thor, Old King Thor and possibly many other thors. Not counting Groot Thor and characters like Thor the Green who are differnt people who are Thors (cops).

@willienotwilliam: is that a invincible reference ? @asgaard: also read some of the past posts it pretty much just seems like your trolling the guy now now he isn't saying that she is Odinson he is saying that she is Thor and weather people like it or not Thor is a title and not just a name.

Since Loki is Anti Hero in recent past Malekith is becoming my Fav. Asgard villain Antagonist, he could let Laussa Odinsdottir die but she is more helpful alive so he help to save her, @z3ro180: I m out of ideas for new topics, but since you are reading Secret Wars, aren't any news regarding the Beyonders/Hyperion/Thor?

Call me old fashioned but I like my Carol Danvers as Ms Marvel, my Logan as Wolverine, Thor as Thor (doh), Steve Rogers as Captain America, and Peter Parker as Spiderman. I really enjoy new creative characters (I dig Blue Marvel and the Sentry for example) but leave the good original ones alone. If youre telling me there are no good new stories to be told for those old chars then I call you a crappy writer.

Give us real Thor back!!

@z3ro180: it looks to me like willie is the troll constantly repeating himself and proclaiming asgaard doesn't have the right to voice an honest opinion.

@asgaard: nouthing on Hyperion and Thor other than Hyperion is alive post SW and Thor where abouts are unknown but possibly alive. Strange said that doom killed the byonders but I'm not really site of he did.

He was... That's why since his first ("Real") post he was selected to just be himself...And help Thor cause...

Ok... Thanks...

@asgaard: No problem. That's literally all the info right now given to us, strange just stayed doom killed them and aside from the two we saw doe in NA #30 it took a lot to kill them and we know from the end that there are millions possibly countless byonders. I'm guessing do either sealed them away and didn't kill them or he has become one himself and they are just leaving him alone. Hyperion is alive because Marvel has realted two pictures with him on it. A group pic with a whole bunch of characters and the cover to the new Squdren Supreme book starting after SW (the writer has even said that its Hockmans Hyperion) so it stands to reason that Thor-616 has survived or if not he saved Hyperion.

As a long time Marvel reader I have to agree, problem is it's too much of a crap shoot for companies to try and hook new readers with original characters, it's a LOT easier to make a radical change to existing characters, hype it up beyond all reasoning, reset to a new #1 and sit back, already been stated plenty of times Marvel is simply playing up anything that's going to cause controversy and upset existing fans because it generates publicity and that's really all they're concerned about, hope the Thordis fans are as understanding and tolerant when Marvel decides to give her a sex change or make her into a sentient tapeworm for a few years.

And as for crappy writers/writing too often supporters of these "new directions" claim it gives the characters a "fresh perspective", but how is that the case when all that's been done is the character has been made minority/female/gay and the writer is still telling the same stories around them? They may as well have made a MAJOR push with a new Sif title or made Sam Wilson more prominent in the MU as The Falcon, but um... yeah... still too hard with no guarantee of an instant payoff.

@z3ro180:

In my Interpretation from Hickman's writing before Secret Wars the Beyonders objective are/were simulations/experiences, "Beyonder Doom" could be inside of the simulation (Secret Wars) without knowing that always was the Beyonders intention, even if i think Aaron/Marvel will erase New Avengers #32 events regarding Thor character, great to know that the Hyperion that share that epic battle with Thor survived SW and will have a story more focused on his character... (Thanks again for the update)

Classic case of brand bloating. Treating the characters as "brands" which eventually stagnates with readers. See: multiple Hulks, Spider-Men etc.

What makes them so popular is that they are symbiotic with their alter-egos. They are defined by their alter-egos just as they define them.

Steve Rogers' motivations and sense of self-sacrifice, which led to him risking everything by taking the super soldier serum make the character.

Thor was born God of Thunder but was taught a lesson in humility by living a mortal life as a disabled doctor helping others.

Bruce Banner's brilliant scientific mind led to his horrible accident which gave his anger and frustrations an actual monstrous form.

Anyone else in these roles (Red Hulk, Sam Wilson, Jane Foster) makes little sense because they are just mere copies of the original with minor differences. It also weakens their originality by shoehorning them into established character's "brands."

I agree and that cheapens the character and so also kills the fun of it. When that happens you find out that the strongest of characters dies from lack of good stories.

Which would suggest the "success" of Thordis is mostly due to people buying the title to follow the plight of classic Thor, son of Odin. I'm actually hoping he's MIA for awhile so we can really see whether Jane FosThor can carry the book on her own.

They should do another Thor book and bring him back in that book. I mean how hard would that be. Want to do a Jane book as they did in the past. All the power to you. Just do not ask me to buy it. Bring Thor back in his book and give jane another what if book. I mean how hard is that its words on a page. Not actors that need to be paid just words on a page.

What would be epic is a great writer like Dean R. Koontz or somebody huge that can write a novel. Not only do I want Thor back but I want a story worthy of Thor. One that lets Thor , Loki , Odin , Sif , Amora , the whole cast flex and do great things.

Oh and no jane please.